iPad Givin’ up!

[MayaUser]

Please man , dont give up we need you
You still have an 12.9" ipad and in the future you could also have an 14"
So no reason to give up

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Please man , dont give up we need you
You still have an 12.9" ipad and in the future you could also have an 14"
So no reason to give up

Apple’s going to sell somewhere over 40 million iPads this year. I think they’ll be fine

 

[DavidChoux]

why dont you buy an external screen— there are fine screens for as low as 100 bucks … And new ipadOS16 is MAGIC with an external display

Also have you ever heard of MOUSE and KEYBOARD ? Like.. any mouse and any keyboard? I dont get why you limit yourself

Lol, at that point just get an Air, no? More portable than a mouse, keyboard, and external screen, no hassle of connecting everything up, plus a fully fledged OS and all the benefits that come with that.

 

[woolypants]

1. This is the reason why I moved from the 11 inch iPad Pro to the 12.9 inch. Although, I still miss the 11 inch compact size and overall lighter weight when paired with the Magic Keyboard. But that was a year ago. Nowadays it makes more sense, since your experience with Stage Manager, but I don't plan to use Stage Manager but when connected to an external monitor. You can still use the regular multitasking which works good on the 10.9 inch screen real state.
2. That's why I didn't considered anything but the Magic Keyboard. It just work together perfectly.
3. I don't expect mobile apps to work in the same fashion as desktop apps, although that might be changing in the future. Remember that once of the announcements in the WWDC is Desktop Class apps, so that's comming, but it'll take time. I do use Word and Excel quite extensively in my iPad, but for heavy formatting and formulas, I'll leave that to my desktop

There is one additional thing about the iPad that made me move almost all my creative work away from my Desktop, and that's the Apple pencil. I know is not everyone's cup of tea, but paired with LumaFusion, it improved my video editing workflow considerably.

That's my experience with the iPad. I'm very happy with the announcements, although I'll wait a bit to upgrade, since I use my iPad heavily, so I prefer to wait until the public beta is out. I did put it on my iPad mini, although I can't test Stage Manager there, but for everything else looks very stable.

With #3, I'm not sure we should call them "mobile apps". They're iPad apps. This is probably the root of the problem here. If Microsoft believes the iPad deserves mobile apps then this is why the versions of Word and Excel are so useless. But the iPad Air 2022 has an M1 with 8GB of RAM. There's no reason why it should be using "mobile" apps.

Honestly? I think my experience shows that the "iPad=computer" thing just isn't working. We can either keep pretending everything is fine, or we can admit this. Sure, there are fans of using the iPad like this. But this is the internet—I can find you fans of sitting in a bath full of pickles while singing the German national anthem. I can probably find you a whole Internet forum dedicated to it. But that doesn't mean it's something we should do.

The iPad-as-computer concept caters to a market segment that's much smaller and more niche that Apple realises. Apple's trying hard to make it work but there's no getting away from the laws of physics. A small screen is a small screen is a small screen.

 

[sparksd]

With #3, I'm not sure we should call them "mobile apps". They're iPad apps. This is probably the root of the problem here. If Microsoft believes the iPad deserves mobile apps then this is why the versions of Word and Excel are so useless. But the iPad Air 2022 has an M1 with 8GB of RAM. There's no reason why it should be using "mobile" apps.

Honestly? I think my experience shows that the "iPad=computer" thing just isn't working. We can either keep pretending everything is fine, or we can admit this. Sure, there are fans of using the iPad like this. But this is the internet—I can find you fans of sitting in a bath full of pickles while singing the German national anthem. I can probably find you a whole Internet forum dedicated to it. But that doesn't mean it's something we should do.

The iPad-as-computer concept caters to a market segment that's much smaller and more niche that Apple realises. Apple's trying hard to make it work but there's no getting away from the laws of physics. A small screen is a small screen is a small screen.

It doesn't work for you but where you go wrong is when apply your experience to the entirety of the user community. The "we" you talk about is you and others - but not everybody.

 

[martinocando]

With #3, I'm not sure we should call them "mobile apps". They're iPad apps. This is probably the root of the problem here. If Microsoft believes the iPad deserves mobile apps then this is why the versions of Word and Excel are so useless. But the iPad Air 2022 has an M1 with 8GB of RAM. There's no reason why it should be using "mobile" apps.

Honestly? I think my experience shows that the "iPad=computer" thing just isn't working. We can either keep pretending everything is fine, or we can admit this. Sure, there are fans of using the iPad like this. But this is the internet—I can find you fans of sitting in a bath full of pickles while singing the German national anthem. I can probably find you a whole Internet forum dedicated to it. But that doesn't mean it's something we should do.

The iPad-as-computer concept caters to a market segment that's much smaller and more niche that Apple realises. Apple's trying hard to make it work but there's no getting away from the laws of physics. A small screen is a small screen is a small screen.

Well, you are sharing your personal experience, and I'm doing the same. None of us are right or wrong. What is right for me, is obviously wrong for you, and the other way around.

iPad apps started as glorified mobile apps, unless they were specifically creative artist pencil-enabled apps. Just a few years ago they started doing something different, when Apple released mouse and trackpad support, then Apps took advantage of it. Now with "Desktop Class" apps, that is supposed to change for good and I'm hoping to see apps like Mainstage and Logic to eventually migrate to the iPad, but I know the path won't be fast, although the OS is changing to allow that. I'm also hoping that Microsoft start implementing more "Desktop Class" features in future versions of Office.

I'm not trying to change your decision of dumping your iPad, is your money, but in my case, I've found ways to separate my personal and creative work on the iPad, and use the MBP exclusively for work or heavy photo editing, and I have suceeded. Is perfect? Is it a full desktop replacement? Far from it, but it works for me.

 

[cupcakes2000]

I would actually say it does, unless I am completely flawed at communicating in English.

Do you anywhere in my post read that I state that my usage scenario is the only valid one and I'm trying to `tell´ someone else that they are wrong? Because that has never been my intent and if that's how my post is being read I have failed in my use of the English language.

Do i state that the iPad doesn't work as a computer for anybody and that everybody who claims that it does are wrong and to be made fun of?

Because that's what is being thrown back at these posts (by those who I refer to as "militant fan-boys", and by me doing so, I'm adding fuel to the fire), and somewhat by you as well I would say.
I'm not trying to 'tell' anyone what they can and can't do with the iPad.
I'm expressing my opinion, my view and my usage scenario and for those, the iPad in its current shape doesn't replace a computer.

What comes back is more than often non-constructive or posts ‘telling’ that people who say their needs or use cases aren't met are wrong.

I'm open to different opinions and views.
Mahasamatam for example has an excellent way of putting it, as well as BhaveusUK.
They are of different opinions than me, yet they don't try and negate the experience I had, nor do I try to negate theirs and we can have a discussion even though we have opposing views and experiences.

I would better choose your words, then. 'Militant Fan-boy' written at the end of any post like this negates what you have said, and is inflammatory.

There are plenty of extremely satisfied and tech literate and professional iPad users around where it can do for them what it cant do for you.

There are better ways to get your point across than suggesting that a differing opinion is merely fanboyism, especially when its perfectly easy to be satisfied with a product and not be a 'fanboy', just as the opposite is true, where you can not like a product without being labelled a 'hater'

 

[BhaveshUK]

That makes alot of sense and I get that usage scenario, drawing on it must be great, as a wacom on steriods for those who do artistic work.

Sadly I'm not artistic enough or have artistic needs in my worklife.



I would like to claim that purchasing a product and testing it out for the intended use case is kind of the "ultimate" research. Really trying it out to see if it works and if not returning it or accepting that it doesn't work.
People come to conclusions in different ways, some scrap it already while it's just an idea while others try it out hands on.

That is also what I was giving a testimony to, the quite aggressive replys and comebacks that tend to come to those who voice their experience unless it's anything but stellar and adhering to the overall "everything Apple does is always perfect and excellent and should be worshiped by all of us" storyline.

It has been wonderful for drawing. But I don't want to oversell it either. The iPad doesn't achieve a lot of things I would want it to, especially when I'm travelling or away from my iMac.

You've convinced me. I always think people should see a product in store to test it, but you're absolutely right. How are you going to know everything an iPad can do or not do for your workflows with 30 minutes of play time at the Apple Store? It's not realistic. And I imagine you also waste less time fantasising about how a device might fit into your life because your form of "ultimate" research gives you real hands-on time. I've actually been looking at devices like the Surface Pro that might fully meet my needs on the go (in place of the iPad Pro) for weeks now, and I might try your method for myself. Purchasing and testing a device out, and if it doesn't work for me returning it. The biggest things holding me back are (a) I've been in Apple's ecosystem for years now, (b) I don't want to spend money on another device that doesn't do everything I need it to do, and (c) going back to Windows will be quite a transition.

Apple has one of the best marketing teams in the whole world. I remember the Mac vs. PC adverts and how they convinced me at the time that owning Apple devices was "cool" whereas PC was "lame". I wasn't even in my teens back then, but those ads were I'm sad to admit, very effective on my psyche. Since then, I've been in Apple's sphere of influence. It's taken me years of understanding minimalism to start unwrapping my identity around the things I own, and I'm still on that journey as my hesitation to branch out from Apple will highlight. But I think since adopting more minimalist practices into my life, I've become better at accepting other viewpoints and perspectives.

I feel this is where the aggressive replies and comebacks ultimately come from. Most people won't admit this, but the marketing and advertising does impact them, and they've since based a lot of their identity around Apple products (especially on a website called MacRumors). When you criticise the iPad or other Apple products as not meeting your needs, you're threatening the sense of identity they've cultivated for themselves. If the Apple devices they've poured hours of energy, time and effort into isn't super cool from your perspective, how can they be super cool in your eyes either?

But equally, as you will see from many commenters on this forum, MacRumors is also home to many people who are open to discussing and hearing other people's viewpoints 😊

 

[GuruZac]

1. Cut down apps. Learning that you can’t even adjust text styles in Microsoft Word on the iPad was a blow. I used Excel today and it feels like an actual retrograde step when it comes to usability. It actually feels like we’re going backwards, rather than making progress here. And there‘s only one actual image editor that offers tools, and that isn’t yet another basic adjust-brightness/saturation-and-apply-filter bollocks.

I would absolutely agree Microsoft Office apps on the iPad are far more painful to use than on a Mac. As fun to use as my iPad Pro/MK combo is, I always use Office apps on my Mac instead. If I could only have one device for my computer needs, it would without a doubt be my M1 MacBook Air. Lovely little computer!

 

[Ludatyk]

When you criticise the iPad or other Apple products as not meeting your needs, you're threatening the sense of identity they've cultivated for themselves. If the Apple devices they've poured hours of energy, time and effort into isn't super cool from your perspective, how can they be super cool in your eyes either?

Being a primary driver of the iPad, I’m perfectly okay with criticism of the iPad platform… I completely understand it’s not for everyone. I’m fully aware of the limitations of the iPad and I have a Windows-Mini PC to use whenever those limitations present itself. But my issue derives from when people base their failed attempt to push the iPad as a laptop replacement as an indictment that it applies to everyone.

 

[BhaveshUK]

Being a primary driver of the iPad, I’m perfectly okay with criticism of the iPad platform… I completely understand it’s not for everyone. I’m fully aware of the limitations of the iPad and I have a Windows-Mini PC to use whenever those limitations present itself. But my issue derives from when people base their failed attempt to push the iPad as a laptop replacement as an indictment that it applies to everyone.

I agree and totally hear that! I think people wield their viewpoints as “truth” rather than recognising what we’re talking about is entirely subjective. My belief is that usually happens when we wrap our identities into external things - we feel the need to defend these objects to “defend ourselves”.

iPad objectively meets the Oxford Languages definition of what is a computer:

an electronic device for storing and processing data, typically in binary form, according to instructions given to it in a variable program.​

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iPad is a computer that can or cannot be your full laptop replacement is subjective. Everyone will find their own answer for that based on their unique experience. If you can replace your laptop fully, that’s wonderful and your perspective is valid. Equally, if you cannot replace your laptop fully, your perspective is equally valued. The problem comes from either side trying to force their viewpoint onto everyone else as a fundamental truth.

 

[Valappi]

I would better choose your words, then. 'Militant Fan-boy' written at the end of any post like this negates what you have said, and is inflammatory.

You are right, it is hard not to sink to other peoples levels and adding fuel to the fire, I even stated that I knowingly contributed to this. Rhetoric goes both ways.

It's hard to not see a ridiculing post as inflammatory when it's posted to a serious and well founded comment, question or usage experience.

Sadly there are more than a handfull of these examples in this thread alone, directed towards the original poster, who did not post anything containing negative towards anybody but merely a usage experience.

Original poster was met with posts of this type, unfoundedly.
Posts not contributing to a resonable debate, nor adding value or a point of view even (and sometimes the opposite view expressed in a extremely childish manner).

There are tons of examples, sadly, where resonable, serious comments are met with the exact opposite behaviour.
Both here and in the comments section to articles.

There are better ways to get your point across than suggesting that a differing opinion is merely fanboyism, especially when its perfectly easy to be satisfied with a product and not be a 'fanboy', just as the opposite is true, where you can not like a product without being labelled a 'hater'

I have never suggested that a differing opinion equals "fanboyism".
It's rather a matter of how one decides upon expressing that differing opinion that, in my view, differentiates a "fanboy" from what I referred to as "militant fan-boys", emphasis on the "militant" prefix.

If you identify yourself as a "fanboy" and took offence, please accept my sincere apology.
I would consider myself somewhat of a "fanboy light", the term "fanboy" is in my view not something negative.

It's someone who is a fan of something and that does not automatically equate to being a negative thing.
Imho you can be a "fanboy" without slandering people who has the opposite opinion. But if the term "fanboy" automatically includes being negative and ridiculing towards people of different opinions, please remove my remark about me being a fanboy and my apology.

"a boy or man who is an extremely or overly enthusiastic fan of someone or something"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fanboy

What is negative (and my reason for adding the prefix "militant") is the way a certain group of people, choose to handle differentiating opinions. And the fact that it's so common here and sadly getting more and more accepted behaviour.

"engaged in warfare or combat"
"aggressively active (as in a cause)"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/militant

I chose to bundle these people up using a term you didn't like.
I respect that opinion from you and I respect the way you have chosen to express it.

 

[cupcakes2000]

I feel this is where the aggressive replies and comebacks ultimately come from. Most people won't admit this, but the marketing and advertising does impact them, and they've since based a lot of their identity around Apple products (especially on a website called MacRumors). When you criticise the iPad or other Apple products as not meeting your needs, you're threatening the sense of identity they've cultivated for themselves. If the Apple devices they've poured hours of energy, time and effort into isn't super cool from your perspective, how can they be super cool in your eyes either?

It’s this type of comment that frustrates me so much. Why, oh why - should it be me with a problem?

Why is it someone that can work on an iPad is the duped, tricked, hoodwinked and a mega fan boy of the company that makes it?

I don’t calm the opposite number an Apple hater or some sort or militant anti fanboy.

Can it just be that some people can do all, most, some, none of their work on an iPad? (it’s weirdly only iPads that this craziness seems to effect).

The iPad has limitations compared to the mac, but the mac has limitations compared to an iPad. It’s bizarre that this type of statement gets me accusations of being a fan boy. Bizarre.

 

[Ludatyk]

Can it just be that some people can do all, most, some, none of their work on an iPad? (it’s weirdly only iPads that this craziness seems to effect).

My theory is… the iPad is a threat to the status quo. The PC-Mac users of the world… which is the vast majority, however…. I’m in no way trying to challenge those users. But, we normally have this PC vs Mac debate and lately that has dwindled away for the most part. So, then the new debate has turned into the PC/Mac vs the iPad.

Not only you have Mac users chiming in explaining why the iPad does not work for them… there’s the PC users as well, that’s why you see a large number of them.

Edit: Windows=PC

 

[Unregistered 4U]

Not only you have Mac users chiming in explaining why the iPad does not work for them… there’s the PC users as well, that’s why you see a large number of them.

If they were to include iPads on those lists of “laptops sold”, iPads would be at the top constantly. I would guess that there are a good number of folks that are glad that doesn’t happen.

 

[RLRabb]

Display scaling will not be available on 11” iPads, only 12.9” M1

Never mind. Already corrected.

 

[Mark Stone]

Display Scaling is available to all M1 iPads, which includes the 5th generation 10.9" iPad Air and 3rd generation 11" iPad Pro. I believe you might be referring to reference mode... that is only available on the 12.9" iPad Pro.

What is “Display Scaling”? TIA

 

[Ludatyk]

What is “Display Scaling”? TIA

Display Scaling is similar to what is on the Mac… it helps to fit more content on the screen.

 

[Mark Stone]

Display Scaling is similar to what is on the Mac… it helps to fit more content on the screen.

Thanks!!

 

[jagolden]

Did you not read what he said about the keyboard?

I think it’s pretty clear th OP is talking about a folio/attached keyboard. I’m sure sparked is talking about a full-size detached keyboard and mouse.
That would not be convenient, certainly.
IMHO, if anyone wants/needs to do daily work, and has investigated the app-gap, then they need a 12.9”.

 

[The Game 161]

I love my iPad Pro but I have come to the decision that I will always need a Mac. for me there's room for both and both are used in different ways

 

[GuruZac]

I love my iPad Pro but I have come to the decision that I will always need a Mac. for me there's room for both and both are used in different ways

Yes sir, I am with you. I loved my 2018, but when it bit the dirt unexpectedly, I decided to pull the trigger on the 2021 version, and after iPadOS 16, I am glad I did. Even though the new features don’t bring a ton more productivity for me, Apple showed they are serious about developing the Pro models. I will likely always have an iPad Pro with Magic Keyboard. The M1 was a game changer in so many ways, and as several have already posted, the iPad Pro really pushed the move to Apple silicon across the board.

 

[nvmls]

Also have you ever heard of MOUSE and KEYBOARD ? Like.. any mouse and any keyboard? I dont get why you limit yourself

Like.. a computer? What's a computer?

 

[nvmls]

Did you not read what he said about the keyboard?

Well.. give him a break, he's using an iPad with keyboard & monitor after all 🤣

 

[cheesygrin]

There’s a reason Apple make separate computers and iPads, with separate operating systems. iPads are all about mobility, not usability. Macs are all about features and flexibility.

They both have a place - trying to manage with just one type of device is always going to be a compromise. An iPad Air with keyboard is going to be way better for doing basic tasks when out and about then using, say, a phone to do the same things. But for at a desk in an office - no, there are much better options.