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Haven't tried this but its been reported on 9to5mac.com - has anyone confirmed this?
 
Not working for me. Had someone send me some test emails and I got the notification immediately from the Gmail app and nothing from the stock Mail app.
 
Not working for me. Had someone send me some test emails and I got the notification immediately from the Gmail app and nothing from the stock Mail app.
Did you have the gmail account already added? You may want to try to delete and add the account in mail again.
 
OK! This ONLY works when you are on POWER & WIFI!!! if you are mobile, it reverts to a fetch schedule :-/
 
After deleting my gmail account and then re-adding it, everything seems to be working.

I’m on LTE and not charging the phone, and I’m getting my emails “pushed.”
 
It’s interesting that push is working after removing the account and adding it back in. There is no push option for the Gmail account but I did test it and works instantly. Within 5 seconds.
 
I don't understand. I believed that google was the one who removed this feature, not Apple. Btw, Hotmail has push. Why does it appear on a new iOS release if it depends on google?
 
I don't understand. I believed that google was the one who removed this feature, not Apple. Btw, Hotmail has push. Why does it appear on a new iOS release if it depends on google?

It's a bit convoluted of a story. Hotmail/outlook runs of Microsoft Exchange backend. Google used to license this from Microsoft as well as that was the push setup Gmail had. They likely decided they couldnt afford to give it away free while paying Microsoft so canned push for everything but paid Google Apps accounts.

Google uses its own protocol IMAP IDLE which is a mix of IMAP and Exchange (sort of, rough idea) for Gmail. So it's possible Apple adopted the protocol into its mail app although Im not counting on that with their battles.
 
It's a bit convoluted of a story. Hotmail/outlook runs of Microsoft Exchange backend. Google used to license this from Microsoft as well as that was the push setup Gmail had. They likely decided they couldnt afford to give it away free while paying Microsoft so canned push for everything but paid Google Apps accounts.

Google uses its own protocol IMAP IDLE which is a mix of IMAP and Exchange (sort of, rough idea) for Gmail. So it's possible Apple adopted the protocol into its mail app although Im not counting on that with their battles.

IMAP IDLE isn't Google's protocol. IDLE is just a feature in the IMAP protocol that allows the client to tell the server it's open to accepting real-time notifications. The drawback of IDLE is that it maintains an open connection. It can have an impact on your battery depending on the amount of connections using IDLE and how many messages you're getting. Apple has supported IMAP IDLE in Mail for macOS since at LEAST Lion (probably earlier, Lion was just my first macOS where I used their Mail app), but omitted it from iOS, most likely due to battery concerns.

Based on the description, they enabled the IDLE command to function on IMAP servers when charging and on Wi-Fi, due to battery concerns. Based on the description of how "Automatic" works, I'm going to go ahead and say that getting push notifications for Gmail, through Apple Mail, at any point when NOT connected to a power source and on Wi-Fi is a BUG.
 
Allowing Gmail to push only when charging and connected to wifi would be really dumb.

All or nothing.
 
Does this also work for Yahoo Mail? Yahoo disabled push in iOS back in February. Only fetch is an option. Based on this post it looks like Yahoo does not support IDLE, so I'm guessing no.
 
Probably because gmail users gave up long ago with the Apple mail app. I'm hoping this stays in the official release.
The Apple Mail app in iOS is atrocious in general, not just for Gmail. I don't understand why it's not more like the macOS app. They should make it more like Spark.
 
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