No worries... thanks for the clarification.Sorry, I used the wrong expression (English is not my first language), I meant "so far".
(I edited my post so it will be more clear for others)
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i am interesting with Canary mail. So, is the iOS version is less secured (due to it contains marketing campaigns stuff)? I just bought the Mac version and very satisfied with the features.
The iOS version is not any less secure. There is nothing nefarious going on with Canary using an analytics company. Every major company I am aware of uses a company or more to pull in analytics of app usage. Apple does the same thing. Not sure why svenmany felt a need to cast doubt.
In regards to PUSH, any mail app you use with PUSH enabled, (including Apple Mail) will store the credentials on the server. It is best not to use PUSH.
Sorry, I didn't mean to cast doubt. I provided a link to the particular technology used only in their iOS version - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppsFlyer. I really don't know what it does but I decided, for myself, that a framework which once...
It could all very well be harmless but it's not the kind of analytics I'm interested in sharing. I'm happy to share the kind of analytics that Apple collects.
Unless they fixed it in the last couple of months, 'New Outlook' does not work with iCloud Mail. The 'Old' still does. Until the Fall of 2019, Outlook wouldn't work with Gmail. They fixed that. And then lost iCloud. They seem incapable of having a modern email client work as expected.
It's FUBAR. It would hang constantly, refused to connect much of the time ... I constantly had to force quit the app and relaunch just to get new email... it sucked with gmail, with Cox email, private domains hosted with Gmail, and iCloud mail. Just absolutely not worth what I paid for the app (ZERO).
Of course, other than that, not much wrong with it...
Not reliable. Mac version as well as iOS version. Sometimes it work, the other times not work, just stuck on fetching email 1 of xxxx messages.
I joined this thread shortly after upgrading to Big Sur. I wanted to consider other mail clients because the visual changes to Apple Mail were bothering me. I've since gotten used to those changes and have adapted to deal with some annoyances. At this point I'm interested in alternatives just for variety.
I really have no issues with Apple Mail on my two Macs or my iPhone. I have 7 gmail accounts, 1 Fastmail account, and 1 iCloud account in all three places. Generally, everything just works, and has for many years. Maybe I'm not making use of some functionality which causes other people some trouble.
I really have no issues with Apple Mail on my two Macs or my iPhone. I have 7 gmail accounts, 1 Fastmail account, and 1 iCloud account in all three places. Generally, everything just works, and has for many years. Maybe I'm not making use of some functionality which causes other people some trouble.
As far as emails already handled by google I don't think there's any reason why to not user their webinterface (on a Mac; their app on iDevices). Just add all accounts so you get it all in what looks like a single joint inbox.
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I can think of some reasons for me not to use the web interface.
I restart my web browsers constantly and clear their state (cookies etc) since I'm a web developer. It would be awkward to have another brand of browser (that I don't test against) just to support email's persistent application state throughout the day.
Accessing email through a Google website exposes more of yourself to Google, especially if you use their search engine. I don't use their search engine but I occasionally stumble across one of their websites. Doing so would immediately trigger a browser to deliver all cookies that might have been set while reading email (and vice versa). This greatly facilitates them building a more complete picture of your activities and interests. I do admit that just using iMap with Google is exposing too much since they scan the content (I'm trying to move all my mail to Fastmail), but using their website is too much risk for me. It's easy to disagree with this point if you just trust Google to do no evil.
I find the Gmail browser interface harder to use than Apple Mail. I also find it unattractive. In general I've never enjoyed Google's aesthetics in all of their products.
Can't disagree with that last one; as that clearly is all about personal preferences.
That long paragraph, though; oh… hmmm… well… I would say that all of that combined is a bit over the top (and that's coming from someone that's usually the most neurotic one as far as online privacy awareness).
That about restarting the web browser isn't really such a big deal, though; it takes like seconds to get back in again, even if you (like me) use 2FA.
Besides, I would say that if you repeatedly must restart while developing something you probably would save time by first getting some sort of basic reset-function built into what you're working on; and perhaps things like setting the cache-control to no-cache.
OK. I respect your opinion. Your original post said "I don't think there's any reason" which I took to mean "I can't think of any reason". So, I just threw out some things to add to your thinking.
We can not trust "telemetry" any more. Anything can be disguised as "telemetry". We never know whats going on in that closed source. Once they figure out whats going on, they will just give us the "Ooops, its a bug". Developers should NOT force me to send them telemetry, should be opt in.
Let them fix their software the old way pre-data hoarding, or give a discount for those willing to share telemetry. I rather send NOTHING.
hmm...I thought this was just of how Email works now days. I always get the "disconnect" symbol near my accounts. Its wierd that afaik Apple employees use Apple mail for their own emails, so if it had issues they would be the first to fix it for their own self interest.
Well, tell me if you find any good alternatives. All the ones I have seen are data miners, and not trust worthy. Its wierd there isn't much e-mail client alternatives since each person probably has 2-one personal and one professional/work. I guess everyone just uses the web interface.
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Have you tried Thunderbird? I trust it and it worked quite well when I used to use it.
I personally don't use it because I don't like the look of it on the Mac; many parts of the UI are just too small. I seem to remember adjusting such a simple thing like the font size of the message list is somewhat challenging. But, your eyes might be much better than mine.
Thundbird is not a priority to Mozilla. The whole corporation is breaking down. They fired their employees, moved out of their offices, the CEO raised her pay, and they have no income. Their only income is the Google contract to make it the default search engine which I believe is about to expire and their market share is shrinking big time. Add to that they want to use deplatforming for any one that does not shares their social/political views.
I use Edison Mail on my phone, tablet and MacBook. It's great and free. Monetized via looking at your purchase info, which is done in such a manner (anonymized, etc.) that I believe is ethical and fair. Even that you can opt out of, though! I remain opted in as I think it's a fair trade, but you do have the option.
In 2017 Thunderbird kind of split off from Mozilla. Mozilla decided to focus on Firefox and Internet advocacy. Your views of Mozilla might not apply to the Thunderbird project. (Though, I do think there is some legacy relationship between the two.)
"Similarly, Edison Software, a company that makes the Edison Mail app for iOS, had employees read the emails of hundreds of users to craft a new "smart replies" feature.
According to The Wall Street Journal, neither company asked users for specific permission to read their emails, but have said the practice is covered in their user agreements. Employees who read the emails were governed by "strict protocols," and in Edison's case, user information was redacted.
Edison, Return Path, and other third-party email services also use computer scanning to analyze emails, a common practice. For its article, The Wall Street Journal interviewed over two dozen current and former employees from email and data companies."
Some Third-Party Email Apps Let Employees Read User Emails
Some third-party email providers that work with services like Gmail are letting their employees read customer emails to create new and optimized...
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Well according to the Thunderbird site:
"Thunderbird is now part of MZLA Technologies Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation"
So its pretty much Mozilla.
It gets worse for Edison. I would never use them."Similarly, Edison Software, a company that makes the Edison Mail app for iOS, had employees read the emails of hundreds of users to craft a new "smart replies" feature.
According to The Wall Street Journal, neither company asked users for specific permission to read their emails, but have said the practice is covered in their user agreements. Employees who read the emails were governed by "strict protocols," and in Edison's case, user information was redacted.
Edison, Return Path, and other third-party email services also use computer scanning to analyze emails, a common practice. For its article, The Wall Street Journal interviewed over two dozen current and former employees from email and data companies."
Some Third-Party Email Apps Let Employees Read User Emails
Some third-party email providers that work with services like Gmail are letting their employees read customer emails to create new and optimized...
Well according to the Thunderbird site:
"Thunderbird is now part of MZLA Technologies Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation"
So its pretty much Mozilla.
Edison Mail security vulnerability exposed accounts to other people
Some Edison Mail users discovered over the weekend that they were able to access the emails of strangers inside the app. The company explained that …
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"Similarly, Edison Software, a company that makes the Edison Mail app for iOS, had employees read the emails of hundreds of users to craft a new "smart replies" feature.
According to The Wall Street Journal, neither company asked users for specific permission to read their emails, but have said the practice is covered in their user agreements. Employees who read the emails were governed by "strict protocols," and in Edison's case, user information was redacted.
Edison, Return Path, and other third-party email services also use computer scanning to analyze emails, a common practice. For its article, The Wall Street Journal interviewed over two dozen current and former employees from email and data companies."
Some Third-Party Email Apps Let Employees Read User Emails
Some third-party email providers that work with services like Gmail are letting their employees read customer emails to create new and optimized...
Well according to the Thunderbird site:
"Thunderbird is now part of MZLA Technologies Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation"
So its pretty much Mozilla.
Thanks for the link. I read more of the page and I understand it to be somewhat different than Mozilla.
So they're no longer part of Mozilla Foundation. To what extent their current corporate position and controlling structure conflicts with your politics and confidence in their future is totally up to you. I've decided not to dig into it much. I'm quite confident Thunderbird will be around for a long time, but I won't put that in writing (oops).