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We can not trust "telemetry" any more. Anything can be disguised as "telemetry". We never know whats going on in that closed source. Once they figure out whats going on, they will just give us the "Ooops, its a bug". Developers should NOT force me to send them telemetry, should be opt in.

Let them fix their software the old way pre-data hoarding, or give a discount for those willing to share telemetry. I rather send NOTHING.







hmm...I thought this was just of how Email works now days. I always get the "disconnect" symbol near my accounts. Its wierd that afaik Apple employees use Apple mail for their own emails, so if it had issues they would be the first to fix it for their own self interest.

Well, tell me if you find any good alternatives. All the ones I have seen are data miners, and not trust worthy. Its wierd there isn't much e-mail client alternatives since each person probably has 2-one personal and one professional/work. I guess everyone just uses the web interface.
I used outlook on my iphone (already been few years) and canary mail in Mac (trying out just few weeks). Canary mail looks promising, stable, simple and light (I am not really looking for it’s PGP security etc anyway).
 
One feature I miss from Outlook are the dividers in the message list, which would clearly separate the days when sorting by date, senders when sorted by sender, etc. Does any mail app have that?

Speaking of which, how is the Mac version of Outlook these days? Other than the cost, I mean.

I use Outlook daily for work and it's great. Still use Apple Mail for personal stuff. Outlook is way better. One thing I really like is the way "search" is set up using Spotlight. You can drill down with rows of queries (just like "Find" in Finder) and if you have a lot of mail it's a godsend!
It's quick too..... when you click send on a 1MB mail it goes almost immediately - with Apple Mail it tends to dilly dally around in the outbox for a while!
Outlook is a great choice, but is not free. But what you have to ask about free apps is how are they financing themselves?
 
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That was a couple years ago, I believe Edison has tightened up their privacy policy since. Certainly understand folks being uncomfortable with a service like this, though. (But again, the opt out feature is there.)
 
It gets worse for Edison. I would never use them.


That was a couple years ago, I believe Edison has tightened up their privacy policy since. Certainly understand folks being uncomfortable with a service like this, though. (But again, the opt out feature is there.)
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Thanks for the link. I read more of the page and I understand it to be somewhat different than Mozilla.



So they're no longer part of Mozilla Foundation. To what extent their current corporate position and controlling structure conflicts with your politics and confidence in their future is totally up to you. I've decided not to dig into it much. I'm quite confident Thunderbird will be around for a long time, but I won't put that in writing (oops).

I couldn't care about their social and political views, but my understanding the software is no longer a priority. I have yet to hear someone who favours Thunderbird as the best email app experience. If it was I guess we would not have this thread in the first place.

If Thunderbird is indeed great, I apologies I have not used it in eons.

I used outlook on my iphone (already been few years) and canary mail in Mac (trying out just few weeks). Canary mail looks promising, stable, simple and light (I am not really looking for it’s PGP security etc anyway).

I use Outlook daily for work and it's great. Still use Apple Mail for personal stuff. Outlook is way better. One thing I really like is the way "search" is set up using Spotlight. You can drill down with rows of queries (just like "Find" in Finder) and if you have a lot of mail it's a godsend!
It's quick too..... when you click send on a 1MB mail it goes almost immediately - with Apple Mail it tends to dilly dally around in the outbox for a while!
Outlook is a great choice, but is not free. But what you have to ask about free apps is how are they financing themselves?

I never got people who like Outlook. I got it on my iPad and looks wise and functionality its the worst. Every time I open it , it takes a moment to do the mail exchanges. I do have an older iPad so maybe its smoother on newer devices.

I have not used the desktop app but was told its the defacto email app for the corporate world.
 
I couldn't care about their social and political views, but my understanding the software is no longer a priority. I have yet to hear someone who favours Thunderbird as the best email app experience. If it was I guess we would not have this thread in the first place.

If Thunderbird is indeed great, I apologies I have not used it in eons.

All good. I don't like Thunderbird on the Mac for a couple of reasons: fonts are too small and I don't see my sent mail in message threads (like Apple Mail provides).
 
It's FUBAR. It would hang constantly, refused to connect much of the time ... I constantly had to force quit the app and relaunch just to get new email... it sucked with gmail, with Cox email, private domains hosted with Gmail, and iCloud mail. Just absolutely not worth what I paid for the app (ZERO).

Of course, other than that, not much wrong with it...
I have this with outlook 🙈 I must outlook relunch for new email, someone else? Some tips?
 
If a person uses PUSH, credentials are stored on the server, whether it’s Spark, GMail, or Outlook etc.
It's not necessary for third party apps on OS X or Windows. The email client should only contact the email server, i.e. exchange. The server dictates whether features such as push should be available, and the client should accept if it's programmed in.

There is no reason for a 3rd party email app to have the email or your credentials go through their servers.
Gmail allows direct access to their servers along with the requirements for any features if you are not using a web browser. Yes, they have credential servers that hold your credentials. But again there's no reason to transfer those to a 3rd party server. It should only be between client and provider server. Same with Outlook, and M365 or if you have your own Exchange server. Credentials are stored on active directory under the control of Microsoft or your own business.

Spark on the other hand says they need access to your credentials and need to route email through their own servers for "features". They do not, as they are not the provider. If they programmed their client correctly, it would connect directly to the provider such as gmail or exchange and accept any features such as push determined by the providers servers.
 
I couldn't care about their social and political views, but my understanding the software is no longer a priority. I have yet to hear someone who favours Thunderbird as the best email app experience. If it was I guess we would not have this thread in the first place.

If Thunderbird is indeed great, I apologies I have not used it in eons.
I use Thunderbird as an alternative to Mac mail. Thunderbird is not my first choice but it is has its uses.

IT'S FREE.

If you don't like it, feel free to kick it back to the curb. I have done so repeatedly to Thunderbird and its numerous predecessors dating all the way back to mid-Nineties Netscape Communicator. And not just on Mac. On Windows. On Linux. On FreeBSD. And back in the day on various flavors of UNIX.

I consider Thunderbird a good e-mail app but not great. Still I use Thunderbird on my Windows PCs as my primary MUA since I'm too cheap to pay more than $35 for non-subscription Microsoft Office 2019 Home & Student (which doesn't include Outlook).

On my Mac mini 2018 I still use Thunderbird for some secondary e-mail accounts that I check once or twice a week. I don't want messages to those accounts cluttering my main e-mail inbox so the most expeditious way to handle this is to use a different MUA. Thunderbird is a capable client if not particularly pretty.
 
I am frustrated by Apple Mail as well, but I still use it. I just want an all-in-one app that combines mail, calendar, tasks, and contacts in one. I used the redesigned Thunderbird for a while, but I can't ajust the size of the font in either the calendar or the message listing of the mail pane.

I really miss MS Entourage. With that beefed up daily planner it couldn't be beat, tbh. MS Outlook is a poor cousin to it. But I would still check out Thunderbird - and use the TBSync addon as well.
 
I am frustrated by Apple Mail as well, but I still use it. I just want an all-in-one app that combines mail, calendar, tasks, and contacts in one. I used the redesigned Thunderbird for a while, but I can't ajust the size of the font in either the calendar or the message listing of the mail pane.

I really miss MS Entourage. With that beefed up daily planner it couldn't be beat, tbh. MS Outlook is a poor cousin to it. But I would still check out Thunderbird - and use the TBSync addon as well.

I was able to figure out how to increase the size of the entries in the message listing in Thunderbird. You have to set an advanced option to enable the userChrome.css to be considered and you then have to set up (a simple) userChrome.css file.

If anyone really wants to know how to do that I'll be happy to share. But, I don't get the sense there's much interest in Thunderbird.
 
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