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Heat might be an iOS issue. But when I played with the 15 Pro Max at the Apple Store, just flipping through the apps and settings (no games), it noticeably got warmer. When I picked it up from a charger, it wasn't warm. That's all I know.
 
....the build and heat issues should be better by 16, Apple knew full well this model was the beta version but manufacturing was just a go now or else decision and deal with the fallout later for this model....no question that changes were already being started even before release of this model.

I am curious from the bean counters what their acceptable discard returns were? Not that we will ever know.
Nonsense...
 
....the build and heat issues should be better by 16, Apple knew full well this model was the beta version but manufacturing was just a go now or else decision and deal with the fallout later for this model....no question that changes were already being started even before release of this model.

I am curious from the bean counters what their acceptable discard returns were? Not that we will ever know.
I get your concern about the heat issue — I was having this problem with my 15 pro until I updated to the public beta of iOS 17.1….

The presumption that there is something fundamentally wrong with the build or that the A17 pro will need to be throttled—not sure where these are ideas are coming from really…. Please read the post that I wrote below that have now pasted in several threads here, it may help to alleviate some concerns. I too was having major heat issues with iPhone 15 pro until I updated to the latest beta version of iOS 17……..


The heat issue will probably be resolved within a week.

For those of us on here who are also mac users, we know that when new software is pushed out, sometimes a bug will work its way into the OS, and you get a “runaway process” that massively consumes CPU. When this happens to a Mac, the fans spin up for no reason, and the more tech savvy users will then check the activity monitor….. and low and behold, there is a runaway process eating up all of the CPU. …. for example, a normally tiny background process like “secd” will suddenly be consuming 400% of the CPU Non-stop, unrelenting.

You can have a million good macs, but the software bug will not affect them all uniformly. Some of them will start overheating, but others will not be affected by the software bug.

My guess is that this is what has happened at the iPhone 15 pro launch with iOS 17, because when I updated to iOS 17.1 public beta today, the heat issues that I was having on the 15 pro disappeared.

I think that those people who are postulating about about the 15 pro design or the A17 chip or whatever—they are over thinking this possibly, little flare-for-the-dramatic overactive imaginations going on. Ming Chi Kuo really knows better—I wonder if he has an axe to grind with Apple right now, and has put this silliness about the build quality causing overheating out there into the world. It’s certainly sowing some media chaos.

Software bugs and runaway processes do not infect all hardware equally, there is an element of randomness to it, and it absolutely causes overheating. I had three 2012 macs in my house running Catalina some years back, and one or two of them would occasionally get hit with a software bug, a runaway process, and subsequent overheating after an update, while another Mac with same processor would be totally fine.

The overheating issue for iPhone 15 pro is real, but my guess is that will be fixed in a week or two, though, with a software update that doesn’t necessarily neuter the A17 pro, but just corrects some runaway processes that are eating up all the CPU power. It’s probably just a bug that randomly affects some phones running iOS 17. The same kind of thing happens to macs all the time.
 
It seems that titanium and new design might be an issue, too. Who signed off on this at Apple?

P.S. Why fix what isn't broken, Apple?

PPS. The pun wrote itself.
Well, to be fair there comes a point when you have to jump to a new design as with any manufacturer does with their products but for sure and without question there can be problems that come with that and for me being in manufacturing for many years, based on the diligence I have done about the 15 PM, I'm going to wait till next year as I believe it will be better.

I was more concerned about the build issues and think that some of the heat issues that aren't directly related to the build can be worked out.

My 12PM is going great still and factors into that as well as I would have had to get the 15 plus if I needed a phone at this time.
 
I waiting before putting a case on my 15 PM to see how warm it got when initiating my new phone using my 14 PM.

The whole operation went perfectly, it even re-synced and paired my Apple Ultra 2 and the phone just barely got slightly warm and that was while it was on the charger at the same time. Do not know what is going on with the over heating issues, but my 1TB 15 ProMax did not go past warm for a few minutes, not even close to hot!
 
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for me, 14 PM is sufficient

15 PM doesn't seem all that different, comes with a price hike for me since I opted for 128gb model, and coupled with QC problems it's a relatively easy skip IMO. Not upgrading costs me nada.
 
....the build and heat issues should be better by 16, Apple knew full well this model was the beta version but manufacturing was just a go now or else decision and deal with the fallout later for this model....no question that changes were already being started even before release of this model.

I am curious from the bean counters what their acceptable discard returns were? Not that we will ever know.
iPhone pro 15 max is not a beta version. It is the perfected of iPhone 14 pro max. It is always like this every year. Apple makes iPhone better each year with updated features. Beta product means a test product release for a limited number of users, not mass production like new released iPhones 😊. I hope you are happy with what you have 😊
 
No problems at a with my 15PM and on 17.1. I dare to say the majority of users are happy as well and no issues with heat.

It is the minority and click bait YTers that want to get attention mostly. It does happen I am sure but not what it seems. Kind of like last year where people that use Tik Tock said there was a clicking sound or something like that with iPhone 14. I never have used tik tock so…
 
Another person who doesn’t own a 15 pro max saying how terrible it is.

Your comments on the iPhone 16 and beta nonsense just prove you have no idea when the information you are reading is just clickbait BS.

Heres an idea…..Buy the phone and trial it and then judge it for yourself, you have 14 days.
here is another...you buy it for me and Ill review it as an expert manufacturer with many degrees....sound good? you have 13 days.
 
here is another...you buy it for me and Ill review it as an expert manufacturer with many degrees....sound good? you have 13 days.
Now the truth of the matter is coming out. You actually can’t afford the phone so you’re trying to convince yourself it’s no good and you’re not missing out?

And come on, expert manufacturer with many degrees talking about beta iPhones and rumours about the iPhone 16 when the 15 is barely a week old. A degree in BS I could believe!
 
Lol, yea that’s the truth I couldn’t afford it..can I get a loan?
 


now that the beta 15 is out did they learn what they wanted to know for the 16 to improve it or make it what they really wanted now.
Are you a silly child calling it beta 15, or are you a troll like so many other click-baiters we have seen here lately? Or both? Unlikely that you actually own an iPhone 15.

FWIW I do own one, and the 15 PM is clearly the best iPhone I have owned or tested, and I have owned most of them and (informally) tested every generation.
 
Those “many degrees” and expertise must be focused in trolling…

Would love to see the accreditation of someone with many degrees in “manufacturing” that renders a verdict on a physical product purely based on tweets and posts about it from the completely reliable internet public.



Frankly, in my experience, the 14 Pro was objectively worse than the 13 Pro. Worse battery life, fact.
For me and many others, worse cellular reception and GPS accuracy.

Those are important aspects of a phone.

Calling the 15 a “beta release” will be a FREEZING cold take in the not too distant future because some morons have hot phones while scrolling through instagram thots.

My 15PM has been fantastic. No heating issues whatsoever. While nothing is “WOW,” the phone is greater than the sum of its parts. Much like the 11 Pro’s, this phone is incremental but as a whole, is the best phone in YEARS.
 
I know when I am happy with something, I dont keep trying to convince others how good it is.

Now I am really interested in what the 16 brings cause by then I will have gotten the most bang for the buck out of this phone and be ready to get a final release phone that should last like this one 3 or 4 years before thinking of upgrading.

Anyone else seeing some leaks that might be interesting
 
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....the build and heat issues should be better by 16, Apple knew full well this model was the beta version but manufacturing was just a go now or else decision and deal with the fallout later for this model....no question that changes were already being started even before release of this model.

I am curious from the bean counters what their acceptable discard returns were? Not that we will ever know.
Heat issues will be fixed with an update
 
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That's how every release of this device is. But for someone to say that everyone should just go and get it despite the problems being reported because theirs is working fine is not a smart decision, especially if not knowing if theirs is an outlier of the reported problems.

BL.
Except that operational 15s are not the outliers. Those few phones with issues are the outliers, and those will almost assuredly be resolved with iOS updates as is typical.

Yes folks should buy if they want one and can afford it. If they perchance get an outlier that overheats they have 14 days of return anyway.
 
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I know when I am happy with something, I dont keep trying to convince others how good it is.

Now I am really interested in what the 16 brings cause by then I will have gotten the most bang for the buck out of this phone and be ready to get a final release phone that should last like this one 3 or 4 years before thinking of upgrading.

Anyone else seeing some leaks that might be interesting
And when you’re unhappy with something you keep trying to convince others how bad it is?

All this beta and final release talk. Im sure if you have many degrees in manufacturing you will be able to explain to us all in detail why the 16 will be a final release, or why the 15 pro is a beta release? With all due respect, and as others have mentioned, you are just trolling.
 
I know when I am happy with something, I dont keep trying to convince others how good it is.

"But I love to try and convince others how terrible something is that I've never used..."

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If the 16 changes sizes, will that mean another beta year? I hope not as I will need another phone by next year I think. Besides this size is pushing the limit imo unless you have a purse, backpack, suitcase lol etc..

I would like to see one more year at this size for sure with being much more robust till they change size’s.
 
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