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If the 16 changes sizes, will that mean another beta year? I hope not as I will need another phone by next year I think. Besides this size is pushing the limit imo unless you have a purse, backpack, suitcase lol etc..

I would like to see one more year at this size for sure with being much more robust till they change size’s.
If only we had someone with many manufacturing degrees to answer your question.
 
If only we had someone with many manufacturing degrees to answer your question.
Stay in school kids, or go to school, of course the free ride is over.

Hopefully the final release cases will be back as well…this year was laughable.
 
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Samsung Galaxy s23 ultra for the win.
You Apple sheep will never understand that Apple is, and always has been several years behind Samsung in terms of features. My wife and daughter have iPhones, I've sat them side by side and factually shown them. They too refuse to see it. My wife is not sure if she wants a 15PM or not, she loves the battery life of her iPhone 13PM. I'll probably get her one though.
 
People keep saying the 16 pro will get the 5x telephoto lens. This is wishful thinking - there's no way with the space constraints. Nothing else is going to get smaller between now and then to make room for it.
 
People keep saying the 16 pro will get the 5x telephoto lens. This is wishful thinking - there's no way with the space constraints. Nothing else is going to get smaller between now and then to make room for it.
Maybe that’s why some leaks are saying 6.9 ish? Not sure but I hope 16 stays same size and just all the issues from manufacturing worked out.
 
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Samsung Galaxy s23 ultra for the win.
You Apple sheep will never understand that Apple is, and always has been several years behind Samsung in terms of features. My wife and daughter have iPhones, I've sat them side by side and factually shown them. They too refuse to see it. My wife is not sure if she wants a 15PM or not, she loves the battery life of her iPhone 13PM. I'll probably get her one though.
I actually found an s23 ultra in my plant the other day and turned it in but it seemed pretty impressive if you like android phones screen was nice....you Samsung sheep must really like them knowing you are going to take a huge hit when it comes time to get another one...how many releases do they have in a year....3, 4...10 or so? I guess they say women are smarter for a reason.
 
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Samsung Galaxy s23 ultra for the win.
You Apple sheep will never understand that Apple is, and always has been several years behind Samsung in terms of features. My wife and daughter have iPhones, I've sat them side by side and factually shown them. They too refuse to see it. My wife is not sure if she wants a 15PM or not, she loves the battery life of her iPhone 13PM. I'll probably get her one though.
I fully understand that. Apple has always been behind in terms of features. I still think the 15PM is a better phone than the s23 ultra, for me. It does everything I want it to do, very well. I’m sure the S23 ultra would do a good job too, but apps just aren’t as good as they are on iOS. I’m sure your wife and daughter could sit you down and factually show you.
 
Samsung Galaxy s23 ultra for the win.
You Apple sheep will never understand that Apple is, and always has been several years behind Samsung in terms of features. My wife and daughter have iPhones, I've sat them side by side and factually shown them. They too refuse to see it. My wife is not sure if she wants a 15PM or not, she loves the battery life of her iPhone 13PM. I'll probably get her one though.


I can't believe that there are still being calling others sheep and using spouting such childless nonsense. Use what you want, and leave the name calling to toddlers. I'm a iPhone user, and the wife is strictly Android...no one cares.

All that said, the only Android I consider worth using is the Pixel line. I can't stand what Samsung does with the OS, and software > hardware, all day, every day.
 


So keep hearing about possible size increase…Apple must be more confident and have figured out how to manufacture titanium builds better and need that extra little bit to ensure this…..I’m hoping that they don’t increase in size but off hand how big is the s23 ultra? I’ll have to look it up as maybe that’s the connection to go bigger.

Edit…it’s 6.8…there it is, that’s the caveat

This for me would be the absolute max size and possibly look at the 6.3 pro instead of 6.9
 
Then the 16 will be the beta 17 and this salty little child will make another thread next year saying he’s waiting for his 12PM to die while the fact remains that he can’t afford any of apple new phones.
 
Case manufacturer....SMH, not again. The slightly smaller size and bezels on the 15 Pro was a nice surprise in my opinion.
Curious to know since you brought up a good point…how far in advance do some get new design and/or changes that affect case design to be able to get out close to release date and that must me some NDA they sign.
 
Really? every single person who owns one, until Friday is still within their return period.
not everyone buys from apple, here in Australia if bought from retailers once opened no return for change of mind, only if faulty or doa.
 
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Those “many degrees” and expertise must be focused in trolling…

Would love to see the accreditation of someone with many degrees in “manufacturing” that renders a verdict on a physical product purely based on tweets and posts about it from the completely reliable internet public.



Frankly, in my experience, the 14 Pro was objectively worse than the 13 Pro. Worse battery life, fact.
For me and many others, worse cellular reception and GPS accuracy.

Those are important aspects of a phone.

Calling the 15 a “beta release” will be a FREEZING cold take in the not too distant future because some morons have hot phones while scrolling through instagram thots.

My 15PM has been fantastic. No heating issues whatsoever. While nothing is “WOW,” the phone is greater than the sum of its parts. Much like the 11 Pro’s, this phone is incremental but as a whole, is the best phone in YEARS.
update on the phone?
 
"But I love to try and convince others how terrible something is that I've never used..."

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hopefully next year the final release phone will be better



 
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https://www.macrumors.com/2023/10/19/iphone-16-jump-from-a16-to-a18-chip-rumor/


love the wording as this year was transitional, I used the word beta and now 16 looks like it will be the finished release...good news


In his latest note, Pu said "we expect all iPhone 16 models to feature A18," and he expects the chips to be manufactured with chipmaker TSMC's second-generation 3nm process "N3E." Pu referred to the A17 Pro chip in the iPhone 15 Pro models, based on TSMC's first-generation 3nm process "N3B," as a "transition design."
 
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