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Goodbye Adobe
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Spent good money on NIK. Development stops. Paid good money for Macphun CK kit. Development apparently stopped. Not sure I want to spend more with Macphun for a Luminar with DAM in case they decide not to continue with that and switch to something different. I do not subscribe to Lightroom but I can see why it's smart. Doesn't seem like it will be abandoned or replaced any time. I am a home user, not a power user. It's a hobby for me so I don't want to keep spending on something that may not last. It seems Lightroom will continue forever. Not too expensive considering how much I've paid for obsolete/discontinued stand alone photo software.
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You have heard that Lightroom is now turned into Lightroom Classic and Lightroom CC - the latter being a cloud version...The writing is on the wall where lightroom is heading...
So what percent of your photography cost is software vs hardware (camera bodies, lenses, tripods...etc.) ? I would guess that all but the most casual of photographers, software is a small percentage.
Software is a small percentage for sure. But over the last five or so years there has been a lot of software that seems to be at end of life. And I mean END. But I could still pick up a Minolta SRT 101 and use it with confidence (extreme I know, but it will do the job I paid the money for). But how long has Aperture got? NIK? Macphun CK? One day they will just be "broken". So what is the future for some of these apps? New or not.
Do not think I am a fan of Lightroom, Adobe, etc. I am not a heavy user and I would prefer a boxed app that has some legs. It just seems as though LR (classic or not), will continue for a long time (updated and maybe not popular, but not broken). Since I was only addressing software, I'll argue that the $400 for Aperture, the $400 for NIK, the $whatever for CK from MacPhun, may not make the $10 a month for the Lightroom stuff all that bad.
Just my two cents for the conversation.
Do not think I am a fan of Lightroom, Adobe, etc. I am not a heavy user and I would prefer a boxed app that has some legs. It just seems as though LR (classic or not), will continue for a long time (updated and maybe not popular, but not broken). Since I was only addressing software, I'll argue that the $400 for Aperture, the $400 for NIK, the $whatever for CK from MacPhun, may not make the $10 a month for the Lightroom stuff all that bad.
Just my two cents for the conversation.
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I'm not going to rush it, but I'm thinking more and more that I'll want to move off of the CC license.
I may opt to buy an old copy of Lightroom, though I suspect that's no different then using Aperture, in the sense that I'll get no updates and it will be a matter of time before that stops working.
Use Capture One, I keep coming back to that as that has most of what I want, though the DAM capabilities are weak compared to LR.
Wait for MacPhun's DAM product.
I think I'm going to hold off and see what MacPhun does in 2018 and decide.
I'm going through this same situation (ish) currently.
I'm a hobbiest, have around 50k photos that I need to make very basic edits on such as exposure, sharpening etc..
I've been using lightroom for years but am fed up paying £10 per month when i dont believe i use it that much...
I like the idea of photo mechanic but not the $150 price tag.
What Ive been doing this weekend is transferring everything to Apple Photos. It has the editing capabilities that I need and a decent DAM. However, im not to enthralled about having my photos tied up in some closed database. So im going to keep a local copy of my organised photos and also a copy in the Photos library.. overkill maybe, but it'll make it easier to move away from apple photos in the future if i need to
I'm a hobbiest, have around 50k photos that I need to make very basic edits on such as exposure, sharpening etc..
I've been using lightroom for years but am fed up paying £10 per month when i dont believe i use it that much...
I like the idea of photo mechanic but not the $150 price tag.
What Ive been doing this weekend is transferring everything to Apple Photos. It has the editing capabilities that I need and a decent DAM. However, im not to enthralled about having my photos tied up in some closed database. So im going to keep a local copy of my organised photos and also a copy in the Photos library.. overkill maybe, but it'll make it easier to move away from apple photos in the future if i need to
I reluctantly moved back to LR after Apple declared Aperture EOL. I've simply not been all that thrilled with it. Slow, doesn't handle RAW+JPEG how I want, and doesn't handle IR converted camera output very well (color temperature way off). There just hasn't been a better alternative for a DAM that I've seen.
Yes, so long as you stick with your current OS, a LR6 installation should continue to work fine. Biggest thing will be lack of support for future new cameras. FYI, here's how you can buy a standalone LR6 upgrade or full license from Adobe: https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/help/download-install-single-app-Lightroom-6.html
Also watch for Serif's product, whenever it comes out. They've done a great job with Affinity Photo.
What do you mean that they are tied up in some closed database?
They are simply in a year/month/day folder format on your hard drive, sure the meta data etc is separately but there is nothing unique about the storage within Photos....
I've been burned by Aperture, now buy Lightroom and are getting annoyed now with a large library....What I do want is being able to have some of the photos on a separate disk or network and not all in the same library on my laptop...
Be aware that Photo Mechanic is a tool for quickly ingesting photos from multiple cards and quickly ranking/culling them. The target audience is more the high volume / short-deadline pro shooters such as those in the sports & photojournalism fields. It is priced accordingly.
Why not just set Photos to use Referenced files?
https://support.apple.com/guide/photos/change-where-photos-stores-photos-and-videos-pht1ed9b966d
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You can do this either with the single catalog. One benefit of a catalog based DAM such as LR is that it can retain previews for files that are on external drives even if those are disconnected. See https://www.lightroomqueen.com/articles-page/move-photos-another-hard-drive-leaving-catalog/
It's the cloud....So it is 'better' but with less features...but it runs on all your devices
</sarcasm>Like I want to edit photos on my phone....
It's the cloud....So it is 'better' but with less features...but it runs on all your devices
Like I want to edit photos on my phone....
Exactly!
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For me to be serious about Affinity Photo they need to make it all non-destructive and do auto lens corrections for m43 systems by using correction data in the raw file.
Oh DAM... Apparently things have changed since I'd last looked into it. https://twitter.com/MacAffinity/status/916262041807130624
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For me, Affinity is more of a pixel editor rather than a RAW processor. Not sure what is destructive about the edits if you're not saving on top of the original file.
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Probably the Vaporware Award-Photo Division award should go to Photo Mechanic; I think they had a note they were thinking of doing one in 2015. Meanwhile, their application isn't even 64bit IIRC. At least Macphun has something you can look at. Kinda. How much management is in that DAM is kinda important. Some keywords, titles, captions and a smart folder may not really cut it these days. There's gotta be a reason nobody makes something like Lr or Aperture these days. The last to do it is I think Mylio, and Photos of course. Some applications have some basic managment tools, like DxO or Picktorial. At least they can save adjustments in sidecars, which is sometimes handier than say bit layered PSD or Affinity files. All of 'em are non-destructive, at least to raw files, or anything else if you just save as.
Phase One makes an excellent DAM in Capture One Pro 10. Apple has a decent one in Photos.....only if you want managed library such as Adobe seems to be doing in the new Lightroom CC. I prefer to stick with a referenced library.
I am confused... I keep seeing references to LR "classic"... is that still for sale (e.g., NON-subscription based)? If so, where? I'd be all-in on that.
How to buy LR6 standalone is in my post a mere ten posts ahead of yours, see #84.
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Yea, referenced library is the only way I do it.
I'll need to look at CaptureOne again, used to use C1LE back in the day. How well does it handle R+J pairs?
How to buy LR6 standalone is in my post a mere ten posts ahead of yours, see #84.
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Yea, referenced library is the only way I do it.
I'll need to look at CaptureOne again, used to use C1LE back in the day. How well does it handle R+J pairs?
Don't know as I only shoot jpg on my iPhone.
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You used be able to purchase a standalone Lr product such as Lr6 that was not part of a CC subscription. The other option was the Photography CC subscription that had Lightroom, Photoshop, ACR, Bridge..etc.
No more standalone Lightroom....no Lr 7. Now there are two Lr options that are both part of CC subscriptions. Lightroom Classic is basically the continuation of what was Lightroom in the Photography CC package. The all new Lightroom CC is very web centric and strikes me as Adobe's answer to Apple's Photos.
There are many websites and videos that will go over all the gory details and comparisons.
You still can buy LR6 standalone apparently, as I've detailed at least twice now in this thread.
The wisdom of buying into a dead-end EOL product may be questionable, but it does appear possible if one wanted to.
Agreed, which is why I'm not going down that path. It only kicks the can down the road to finding a more permanent solution.
I don't think that's an apt comparison, I think the new Lightroom CC might start out with a feature set comparable to Photos, but it is clear that over time Adobe aims to replace what-is-now Lightroom Classic with it. And that means over time it will gain all of the necessary pro features — in stark contrast to Photos which will remain a consumer-level app.
I think Adobe learnt from Apple's failure to manage the Final Cut Pro to Final Cut Pro X transition: develop both products alongside, allow the new software to gain features, take feedback from pros into account and then pull the plug on the old thing when the new thing is able to take over.
You guys may not agree with Adobe's new direction or subscription business model, both of it is debatable, but IMHO it is quite clear that they are doing the transition right.