That's perfectly fine if you don't like Android. What I don't understand is the point of posting this article? I could also post another article about my feeling of iOS, but I know that would start a flame war and it would achieve nothing. So, I doubt if you ever have seen a N7, you are here just to start another typical flame war.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Goodbye Android and good riddance!
- Thread starter 77sunsetstrip
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
And actually the most popular Flipboard and Pulse are pretty much identical to their iOS brethren.
I'm honestly not trolling. I don't like iPads, that's why I bought the Nexus 7 in the first place. I think iOS is fine on a phone- the screen's small, so I don't care that the OS is limited. I value performance on my phone and iOS delivers that on a phone- everything is super, super smooth, especially now that I'm on an iPhone 5. iPads feel stupidly limited with the larger screen, yet underpowered apps and heavy limitations on what the OS can do. That's why I thought Android was the solution for a tablet. People all over the web kept saying how good it was thanks to how open it was, that Jelly Bean had solved all the lag issues in the OS, that Dropbox integration made transferring files in and out super easy etc etc.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3My4MHr51c
HAHA yea say iOS sucks and is a 'toy OS' compared to Android and the iFanBoys man their battle stations. Speak against theyou will suffer. That's the motto you know!
It's kinda like the G.I. theme song. Just replace G.I. Joe with iFanBoy and Cobra with Android and you gotta show!
iFanBoy is a codename for Apple's highly trained customers who are determined to defend the
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnuGhuNZnFs
You gotta admit that is true. And the same could be said for FanDroids on Android forums.
Yoo Apple!
But what every Android fan seems to sweep under the rug is that performance is still lacking under Jelly Bean. If I drag my finger on my Nexus homescreen, everything lags behind my finger by around half a second. It's not all that noticeable, unless you're coming from an iOS or Windows device where that delay simply doesn't exist, or if it does, is small enough to be imperceptible. Same goes for the browser, leaving my finger on the screen and dragging around makes the OS judder and lurch, with everything happening about .25-.5 of a second later. I can't handle it, it's basic, basic stuff and Android just doesn't have it nailed down perfectly like iOS and Windows.
That's my main issue with it- I can't handle any lag or juddering. I was just about ready to throw my 3GS out the window towards the end of my contract, after it got slower and slower. Performance in the basics is the key to my happiness with a device, everything else is gravy.
As to the gravy, Android's isn't very good. I was missing the Coastalwatch Australian surf check app badly (simply isn't available)- after emailing the developers, they've said they're working on a Windows 8 version but aren't doing an Android or Windows Phone app (they didn't say why). I also missed the ABC iView (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) app, it isn't on Android, the official NRL app isn't on Android (Australian Rugby League)- the Sportsmate Rugby League Live app is, however it won't run on a Nexus 7.
Maybe the app selection is on par in America, but for Australian specific apps, Android is awful. As an aside, all the Office suite apps I tried were bad. Laggy scrolling, delays in letting me select text, delays in changing cursor position, delays in entering text and so on.
I gave Android a good go, but I'm selling my Nexus and waiting for a solid x86 Windows tablet. Maybe the Surface Pro, maybe something by Asus or Samsung. That'd be the ultimate in app selection- tablet specific apps in the Windows Store and Starcraft 2 and MS Office on the desktop side.
Last edited:
Perhaps the OP posted this here because it is the appropriate subforum. Just because this subforum is 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS devices' doesn't mean that everybody has to be positive about Android (indeed there has been some discussion here about the merits of a Windows based tablet), or indeed to conclude that alternatives to iOS are better than iOS.
Yeah right! And I'm the emperor of China.
You think with the tone and the in-depth original post
that the op gave any thought about where best it was to post his insightful and exhaustive hands-on ?
Rather it's merely here to cause a flamewar rather than opening a debate.
If the original poster can only post asinine and somewhat juvenile comments like "i'm going to set it on fire"... rather than take time to post real observations and say this is my problem I am having and why it's not right for me, then its clear the intent is to just stir up trouble rather than focus on intellectual conversation.
That is why I said "why post that here"....
In fact we are having more debate on where he should have posted his little rant than he presents in his opening post, which sums up how vacuous it was/is in the first place.
____
This is exactly my point.
It certainly wasn't posted to open debate with such silly statements, and therefore we can only assume it was indeed to start a flamewar.
Sorry, but anyone who posts
and follows it with
deserves a
Last edited:
I agree with this 120%. I was genuinely surprised at the quality of Microsoft's phone OS. It seems to me to be a genuine attempt to do something original that seems to have actually worked out well.
Google desperately needs to stamp its authority on its partners to end fragmentation and ensure that all recent Android devices update the latest version of the OS. If they can't do that, then Android is doomed to being second rate as a platform (and that would be bad for various reasons).
Of course it would help if there was actually some perspective about Android.
The problem is its a cause celebre among the free software zealots – many of whom appear to suffer from a mental derangement that forces them to model any and all conflicts in the tech industry (and in much of human life) on the plot of Star Wars.
Don't believe me? All they ever talk about are the plucky freedom loving rebels vs. the totalitarian "Empire" (which used to be Microsoft, but is now Apple).
This forum pretty much exists for the purpose of giving anti-Apple malcontents and trolls somewhere where they won't annoy the regular MR readers so much. People who come to an avowed Apple user site to talk up rival products have no leg to stand on when it comes to accusing others of trolling. This forum used to be mostly free of this sort of stuff (with a few notorious exceptions). iOS caused a massive influx of noobs who really lowered the quality of posting.
Last edited:
Not quite sure what you're getting at here (in part because the last sentence makes no sense
) - do you believe that only pro-Android threads belong here? As many know, I was one of the MR users who argued for having this subforum. I didn't think I would visit it very often because Android doesn't really appeal to me and I was tired of the rude tone of many threads in the iPhone forum comparing iOS to Android. However, I must say that once this subforum was opened, the tone of the discussion became less heated, more interesting, and more informative. I'd hate to go back to the bad old days of trolling-vs-not arguments.
Not quite sure what you're getting at here (in part because the last sentence makes no sense
The sentence is split in two with the quote between as I am referencing it.
So it should have read :-
You think with the tone and the in-depth original post; "I plan to set it on fire. Android is pathetic and primitive and the apps that I have used are laughable. Period." that the op gave any thought about where best it was to post his insightful and exhaustive hands-on ?
The point is I would not walk into any forum about for example the iPad and make a post that read "I'm going back to android coz iPad sucks so bad I'm going to set it on fire. iOS is pathetic...period.. and not expect that I would be accused of trolling, or posting to start a flame war ?
There is engaging in intellectual debate that we should foster and encourage alongside respecting other peoples opinions. But when the opening thread is so inexhaustibly asinine its hard to engage in any worthwhile discussion, and would make you question if they even want discussion, or just wanted to cause trouble.
Ah - I see now.
Still disagree about whether the OP is trolling, but I can see your point of view because the language the OP used. I think it is sometimes difficult to distinguish between trolling about a device and expressing exasperation about it.
Last edited:
I have a bit experience with Android as a tablet OS. I had a borrowed Motorola Xoom tablet for a couple of months late this spring though and it received an upgrade to 4.0 ICS. Thus i had a chance to use it along side my iPad 3.
It obviously is not up to the iPad standard and the amount of apps that are truly written for a tablet continue to be relatively low. (Although scaling of phone apps on Android is a little better experience than on iOS). I expect that that the amount of tablet apps has gone up in the last few months with Google and Android moving more into the market.
App quality when it is written for a tablet is not that big of a delta at all, and Android on a phone is a pretty good experience. That said, if you are in the Apple system why would consider a non-iPad?
It obviously is not up to the iPad standard and the amount of apps that are truly written for a tablet continue to be relatively low. (Although scaling of phone apps on Android is a little better experience than on iOS). I expect that that the amount of tablet apps has gone up in the last few months with Google and Android moving more into the market.
App quality when it is written for a tablet is not that big of a delta at all, and Android on a phone is a pretty good experience. That said, if you are in the Apple system why would consider a non-iPad?
Last edited:
I agree with you wholeheartedly. The performance is terrible, there is lag, all kinds of rendering an image problems, widgets don't work that well, and the apps are generally poor.
Someone asked about RSS apps on the iPad. Mr. Reader is the best, because it has every conceivable feature. The developer, Oliver Furness, works on improving it every day. Nothing else comes close. Feeddler is also good, but Mr. Reader is much better.
iOS has tools for tools for developing superb RSS apps that Android simply doesn't have. The built-in special RSS browser, the ability to change mobilizer preferences on the fly, the ability to send an entire mobilized article including text and images in the body of an e-mail, and other features that don't exist in the Android RSS development toolkit.
Here's another example of a poor Android app. X-Plane 9. On the iOS version, I land at SFO or Innsbruck and I can see the terminal buildings in 3D. On the Android version, there is just emptiness. I'm not sure why, but it's typical of Android apps. The iOS version is usually far superior to the Android version.
I am setting my Nexus 7 on fire, because that's what it deserves. I can't return the damn thing - it's too late.
Last edited:
I have never used an Android tablet, I do have a Samsung Galaxy S3 and previously had iPhones 3GS, 4, 4S and 5. The experience that is portrayed above is not typically that of mine, I don't see lag, image problems or widgets not working, ever.
Rather than set your device on fire why not donate it somewhere for charity, if that is not in your remit, a couple of photos of it on fire would prove good visual entertainment for some members here.
Rather than set your device on fire why not donate it somewhere for charity, if that is not in your remit, a couple of photos of it on fire would prove good visual entertainment for some members here.
Good.. So what you want us to do? we understand that you are setting your N7 to fire, then freeze it with liquid Nitrogen, and crush it under an asteroid. do you now want a cookie?
Send it to me then. I will pay you postage.
Or as I presume, your just trying to play billy big spuds on an internet forum
As a long time Android user last device being the galaxy nexus with jelly bean and project butter there is still something not polished about the device.
I gave up finally on Android and ordered a iphone 5.
I gave up finally on Android and ordered a iphone 5.
I'll also take it. I bought my son a nexus 7, and Ive been thinking about buying either the 32 gig data one or a nexus 10 as I've been using his off and on. Stuff like a half second delay doesn't bother me, I'm not in that big of a hurry. We've had it for six weeks now and it's running just the same. So if there is lag, I'm not noticing it. Go grab an old BlackBerry or LG Thrill and you'll see lag. I don't know, it just seems unless you're having legitimate stuttering with a device that being mad about half a second is like being upset that your microwave is taking 6 seconds longer to heat your food than another microwave.
The apps I use a lot-gmail, drop box, exchange, drive, gnotes, smemo, camscanner,EZpdf, Google music, Pandora, Outdoor suite pro 6 all work great. The couple of games I play are smooth and lag free - Bards Tale, horn, Gunman Clive, broken sword, modern combat 3, cut the rope.
I spent a weekend with my friends iPad that he got a recently and it was okay. I didn't find anything about it that made me want to switch. It's always interesting that you can give two people the same device and both will have a complete different experience.
The apps I use a lot-gmail, drop box, exchange, drive, gnotes, smemo, camscanner,EZpdf, Google music, Pandora, Outdoor suite pro 6 all work great. The couple of games I play are smooth and lag free - Bards Tale, horn, Gunman Clive, broken sword, modern combat 3, cut the rope.
I spent a weekend with my friends iPad that he got a recently and it was okay. I didn't find anything about it that made me want to switch. It's always interesting that you can give two people the same device and both will have a complete different experience.
Yep. My feeling precisely. How anyone that uses an iPhone or iPad can find the Nexus 7 acceptable is just amazing to me. "Not polished" is an understatement as far as I am concerned. The Nexus 7 and Android are just plain amateurish.
The only thing that I like about the Nexus 7 is the size which is just perfect. However, now that the iPad Mini is on its way, that advantage is gone.
Message to ReanimationN: I am genuinely puzzled that anyone would take Android seriously if they are coming from the Apple ecosystem and the iPad and iPhone. You and I apparently see eye to eye on this. What do think is going on here? Is it the widgets and live wallpapers that are causing people to overlook the obvious deficiencies? Is it possible that others are finding that Android apps are on a par with iOS apps?
Even the CNBC stock ticker app which I tried yesterday does not work as well as the CNBC app on iOS. I have not found a single app on Android which works as well as the iOS version. I am not a developer, but I suspect that Google gives developers a worse toolkit and components to work with than Apple. That is clearly the case with RSS apps, because I see exactly the same deficiencies in Android RSS apps across the board.
Last edited:
Hate to break it to the original poster (OP) but as you go out thru the door another one comes in, namely myself. Having been a loyal Apple user since 1992 the fetish with anorexia that Apple is suffering with - less means more in layman's terms - means I'm purchasing my first two Android devices - a Asus Infinity 64G, expanded by 128G for US$90 - and a Nexus 7 32G 3G phone - what's the point of 4LTE given the stupid costings on data transfer - heck, the UK does not even have a 4G network in place yet and costs compared to 3G are horrific - so I concur with Google, leave it for the next 12 months at least and work with proven technology in the here and now - something Apple used to do.
As for the OS, who cares if its a work in progress - evidently from your stupid statement you never used Apple OS in the 90's or for that matter OSX 1 when it was first launched, the same must evidently apply to iOS when it was originally launched in 2007.
Unlike Apple, Google and their partners are offering value for money for the majority of consumers who are suffering as a result of the global economic down turn - something Apple could not give a toss about as it price gouges all the rich folks who purchase their products - as an original user and desk top publisher, it seems Apple has left behind all those who cared about the company in the late 90's and early part of this century - basically we stuck with the company even though they were offering underpowered devices compared with the competition.
The 'FAD' that is Apple will soon run its course and its stock one day soon will resemble that of MS - itself in vogue for a number of years.
When Apple can move away from servicing the 1% and gouging its consumers for all its worth, I may move back into the fold - however, it had better do something pretty amazing with the Mac Pro and thank God Intel are launching Haswell next year with HD5000, which may make up for the fact that Apple was too into its share price to actually put a decent discrete option in the Mac Mini - as for the iMac and iPad Mini - yes they may look nice but at what cost too performance and longevity - evidently the 1% may have cash to spare to renew devices as Apple launches them, but many of its once loyal users do not.
Long live OSX and death to iOS - I don't want it on my desk top for like Android its a dogs breakfast - as least Android has the decency never to proclaim itself perfect.
Now given the kicking Google's going to give Apple this quarter the situation with its Apps should improve no end, particularly given the cost of the revamped Nexus 7 and the amazing price of the 3G enabled model US$299/ UK £199 - absolutely amazing and makes a mockery of Cook and his cheap slimmed down iPad 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the OS, who cares if its a work in progress - evidently from your stupid statement you never used Apple OS in the 90's or for that matter OSX 1 when it was first launched, the same must evidently apply to iOS when it was originally launched in 2007.
Unlike Apple, Google and their partners are offering value for money for the majority of consumers who are suffering as a result of the global economic down turn - something Apple could not give a toss about as it price gouges all the rich folks who purchase their products - as an original user and desk top publisher, it seems Apple has left behind all those who cared about the company in the late 90's and early part of this century - basically we stuck with the company even though they were offering underpowered devices compared with the competition.
The 'FAD' that is Apple will soon run its course and its stock one day soon will resemble that of MS - itself in vogue for a number of years.
When Apple can move away from servicing the 1% and gouging its consumers for all its worth, I may move back into the fold - however, it had better do something pretty amazing with the Mac Pro and thank God Intel are launching Haswell next year with HD5000, which may make up for the fact that Apple was too into its share price to actually put a decent discrete option in the Mac Mini - as for the iMac and iPad Mini - yes they may look nice but at what cost too performance and longevity - evidently the 1% may have cash to spare to renew devices as Apple launches them, but many of its once loyal users do not.
Long live OSX and death to iOS - I don't want it on my desk top for like Android its a dogs breakfast - as least Android has the decency never to proclaim itself perfect.
Now given the kicking Google's going to give Apple this quarter the situation with its Apps should improve no end, particularly given the cost of the revamped Nexus 7 and the amazing price of the 3G enabled model US$299/ UK £199 - absolutely amazing and makes a mockery of Cook and his cheap slimmed down iPad 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think your speculation is spot on. The number one thing i see when other love Android is the ability to customize the look and feel and widgets.
The number two thing i see is just a move over from feature phones.
You're leaving when the party's just about to get started. We'll have to party on without you, I guess.
Is this your hobby? do you get a kick out of it? or is it some kind of new profession I am not aware of?
I am referring to your constant trolling.
it's obvious to everyone here that you are here just to troll. if you don't know something, don't talk. your ignorance is like a headache for others. others have to suffer because of uneducated people like you.
What you describe isn't lag. It's designed not to exactly follow your finger. There's a bit of a dead space before it reacts.
We have both ipads and androids. There's no discernible differences in "dragging things around" performance. Except that the iphone 4 was becoming a lag beast before we sold it.
No. Read my substantive comments. I find that Android is primitive and amateurish compared to iOS and saying so doesn't mean I'm trolling. Android is like something from 1999. I am genuinely wondering how anyone who has used an iPhone or iPad can have a different opinion.