Goodbye, Apple

[kiwipeso1]

Constantly seeking innovation just leads to disappointment, status anxiety and less money in your wallet. It's as though people are addicted to it and need the dopamine hit of something new.

With that said, for better of worse, Apple has hitched their desktop platform to Intel's bandwagon. That was fine when PowerPC chips were too hot and were languishing but now that we've reached the point where Intel themselves have started to hit the limits of what they can do with silicon lithography. Couple that with a general shift away from what has traditionally been Intel's bread and butter and they are looking more and more like an unreliable partner that can't meet Apple's needs.

Personally, I'd like to see Apple introduce Arm-powered consumer laptops. I don't give a toss about Windows compatibility and all the legacy cruft in X86 processors. I do care about battery life, reduced heat output, having a machine that's light and portable.

But then, you'd never get any uni students buying the new Arm powered iBooks, as they wouldn't be able to run WoW.

 

[maflynn]

Personally, I'd like to see Apple introduce Arm-powered consumer laptops. I don't give a toss about Windows compatibility and all the legacy cruft in X86 processors.

I have no idea if your echo the thoughts of other typical consumers or not, but I for one, would definitely move away from apple if they go in that direction.

I agree with your other sentiments that we are seeing a shift away from typical x86 computers, but that may not mean we should transition the desktop computer from x86 to ARM.

 

[kiwipeso1]

Well, I'd buy up whatever was required to offer cable-cutters whatever channels they wished a la carte with no hassles, a premium Apple approach. Then there's high-end console gaming - and avoid VR like the plague that is 3D. I don't wish to see people walking around looking like Cyborgs. Or create a VR experience that doesn't require "goggles". Who ever thought smartphones would have no keyboards?

And create a much higher end social network than FaceBook that's subscription rather than advertising based, so that people might trust that Apple will at least try to keep their information and conversations "private". My Mom is only on Facebook because of the iPad - so no clue why they haven't already done it. They blocked Flash because it was too power-hungry, and - from what I understand - Facebook apps are really bad about chewing up batteries and bandwidth.

Then let the fragmentation of Android eat itself up, lacking the tight integration Apple can offer.

Also, HealthKit might sound awesome - but "Have you or a loved one been seriously injured..." Might as well rename it LawsuitKit.

You asked Those are my idiotic "innovative" ideas - have Apple do what they do best, take over existing markets, offering tighter integration and ease of use.

Or... just keep tossing out stupid gimmicks and "luxury" watchbands?

I wish people would stop assuming that only the multinationals are working on business plans involving social networks
As for a la carte channels, just use Plex on whatever device you have with either Apple TV or Android TV.

 

[Osty]

But then, you'd never get any uni students buying the new Arm powered iBooks, as they wouldn't be able to run WoW.

People still play that?

I have no idea if your echo the thoughts of other typical consumers or not, but I for one, would definitely move away from apple if they go in that direction.

I doubt it, I'm not a typical consumer. I'm a developer and professional writer. I don't need anything that can't be compiled to ARM. In fact, I did my entire day job on a Raspberry Pi 2 for a month just to prove to myself it was possible. 95% of what I do is in a browser, terminal and text editor.

So using a laptop that can run Windows doesn't interest me. Having a laptop that can run for 20 hours on a single charge does.

As for moving away from Apple. God it would make life easier and cheaper wouldn't it! If I move away from Apple though, it will be to Linux and that runs great on ARM.

 

[I7guy]

I have no idea if your echo the thoughts of other typical consumers or not, but I for one, would definitely move away from apple if they go in that direction.

I agree with your other sentiments that we are seeing a shift away from typical x86 computers, but that may not mean we should transition the desktop computer from x86 to ARM.

I don't think x86 and Windows will cease to be relevant for a long time. There might be some market segmentation but that technology is to ingrained in the fabric of computing to die away.

 

[maflynn]

I don't think x86 and Windows will cease to be relevant for a long time. There might be some market segmentation but that technology is to ingrained in the fabric of computing to die away.

No, but we are seeing a shrinking of the market, to what extent, I have no idea.

 

[I7guy]

No, but we are seeing a shrinking of the market, to what extent, I have no idea.

The x86 market is shrinking because mobile devices, which don't use x86 are growing. I can't see people ditching some x86 device for only a mobile device and tablet, and I don't know if chrome books ever really replace laptops. (I personally wouldn't) one thing x86 has us longevity, for basic needs these devices last for years. Intel in that sense is its own enemy.

And mobile phones have gotten so good with some of the cool innovation, extreme nitpicking of o/s aside, I think people would rather get a new phone than x86 computing device.

 

[kiwipeso1]

People still play that?



I doubt it, I'm not a typical consumer. I'm a developer and professional writer. I don't need anything that can't be compiled to ARM. In fact, I did my entire day job on a Raspberry Pi 2 for a month just to prove to myself it was possible. 95% of what I do is in a browser, terminal and text editor.

So using a laptop that can run Windows doesn't interest me. Having a laptop that can run for 20 hours on a single charge does.

As for moving away from Apple. God it would make life easier and cheaper wouldn't it! If I move away from Apple though, it will be to Linux and that runs great on ARM.

Yes, in fact there is a thread where a new uni student is asking if the MBA i7 with 8GB ram is good enough for WoW raiding. (I said it'd be better waiting until you have graduated to dedicate a dozen hours a week.)

 

[Tech198]

I have no idea if your echo the thoughts of other typical consumers or not, but I for one, would definitely move away from apple if they go in that direction.

I agree with your other sentiments that we are seeing a shift away from typical x86 computers, but that may not mean we should transition the desktop computer from x86 to ARM.

Would this also be a "security" thing from Apple as well ?

"Lets not protect our products anymore, since it's most x86 code... so we'll just eliminate it all in one swoop by moving to ARM"

 

[Osty]

Yes, in fact there is a thread where a new uni student is asking if the MBA i7 with 8GB ram is good enough for WoW raiding. (I said it'd be better waiting until you have graduated to dedicate a dozen hours a week.)

Kids these days...

When I in uni as a ugrad I was too busy chasing girls and drinking.

And yes I saw that thread and chuckled at your post

 

[C DM]

Kids these days...

When I in uni as a ugrad I was too busy chasing girls and drinking.

And yes I saw that thread and chuckled at your post

Miltitasking, doing all of that and gaming too.

 

[aristobrat]

If anyone wishes to read what I consider to be the ominous, threatening messages - just go into iCloud and slide a toggle on anything you have stored through the service. To paraphrase - "Are you certain? Removing this data from iCloud will remove it from all connected devices."

To me, that's just straight messed up.

Gave Google Photos a spin for a few days.

Immediately thought of you when I saw that they too use "ominous, threatening messages" when you delete photos after they've been uploaded to their "master" cloud.

 

[grahamperrin]

Innovation at Apple

… Innovation is dead. …

I can not describe it as dead, but by some measures, innovation at Apple is behind Google and Microsoft. https://diigo.com/08tpgo for highlights from Google has the most scope for future growth but Apple tops the latest FutureBrand ranking | Marketing Week (2016-07-22)

 

[I7guy]

Innovation at Apple



I can not describe it as dead, but by some measures, innovation at Apple is behind Google and Microsoft. https://diigo.com/08tpgo for highlights from Google has the most scope for future growth but Apple tops the latest FutureBrand ranking | Marketing Week (2016-07-22)

I'm not sure the apple innovation bandwagon is behind anybody. All three companies seem to in the midst of differing efforts to move new and interesting ideas into the marketplace.

 

[CrashX]

It truly sucks when you keep making the SAME mistake - ugh...

I completely jacked my girlfriend's phone by turning on iCloud. Switched it on, turned off photos - so as not to immediately exceed the "free storage" -

The next morning, she turns on her phone - and ALL of her contacts have been deleted - wiped out her entire address book. Genius.

Ah well... I'm fairly certain the oligarchs will keep the stock market churning until after they re-elect themselves. Then, hopefully, the "correction" will empty the "money cloud" and Apple can enjoy a taste of its own medicine.

As others have covered, we've all been VERY lucky to live through some remarkably exciting times.

But, if there is no shakeup in the market, leading to a shakeup at Apple - the innovators will just continue to be locked out by the bean counters. Everything is just SO FAKE - to the point that thinking the same about doing nothing BUT evil apparently just continues to fill the counters' coffers with infinite fake "cloud" cash.

And today's "breaking news" - Apple tosses up some banners for Red Cross - the awesome charity that happily takes your money, then charges victims for bottled water. Wow, the world is just SO messed up

 

[willmtaylor]

It truly sucks when you keep making the SAME mistake - ugh...

I completely jacked my girlfriend's phone by turning on iCloud. Switched it on, turned off photos - so as not to immediately exceed the "free storage" -

The next morning, she turns on her phone - and ALL of her contacts have been deleted - wiped out her entire address book. Genius.

Ah well... I'm fairly certain the oligarchs will keep the stock market churning until after they re-elect themselves. Then, hopefully, the "correction" will empty the "money cloud" and Apple can enjoy a taste of its own medicine.

As others have covered, we've all been VERY lucky to live through some remarkably exciting times.

But, if there is no shakeup in the market, leading to a shakeup at Apple - the innovators will just continue to be locked out by the bean counters. Everything is just SO FAKE - to the point that thinking the same about doing nothing BUT evil apparently just continues to fill the counters' coffers with infinite fake "cloud" cash.

And today's "breaking news" - Apple tosses up some banners for Red Cross - the awesome charity that happily takes your money, then charges victims for bottled water. Wow, the world is just SO messed up

Actually, Red Cross isn't a bad charity to donate to with over 90% of donated funds going to its programs.

Reference: Charity Navigator

 

[CrashX]

Gave Google Photos a spin for a few days.

Immediately thought of you when I saw that they too use "ominous, threatening messages" when you delete photos after they've been uploaded to their "master" cloud.


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Wow. I set up quite a few "free" Google Apps for Business accounts, back when they were free. I seriously fear the time is coming when Google will be kind enough to give me a week or a month before they let me know that my "free trial" has come to an end.

Because I wanted to find out a bit more about Chromebooks, I downloaded (for free) CloudReady. When I fired up the VM, Google thanked me for buying a chromebook and asked if I wished to receive (for free) 2 or 3 years of truly massive cloud storage.

I'm lucky I live in a rural area, otherwise I'd likely be tempted to fill up that cloud. Then, once Google owned ALL MY STUFF...

Storage is just ridiculously cheap - and fast. The real, physical kind you OWN.

Who is using this cloud stuff, and why? I suspect the next "big move" for the iPhone will be to remove ALL ports - y'know to help us all out - so the ONLY way to "transfer" my photos from my ridiculously expensive proprietary iPhone will be through Apple's ever-so-helpful benevolent fail-safe "cloud".

It's Saturday - I really need to get my head out of this negative "cloud" space I think Maybe I'll go out to a bar and strike up a conversation with some Millennials who might be out socializing with their faces stuck in their phones?
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Actually, Red Cross isn't a bad charity to donate to with over 90% of donated funds going to its programs.

Reference: Charity Navigator

Long story short, when I was a Boy Scout, I won a really cool prize for raising the most money for Red Cross. It was an autographed baseball, with signatures from every player on the local university's baseball team, which just happened to have won the national championship that year. So I was all about some Red Cross

Then - I truly can't remember where I was or what had happened - but I was in some government declared "emergency disaster zone". And there was the Red Cross. So I walked up and grabbed a bottled water, thanked them, and proceeded to begin twisting off the top for some... water. At which point the Red Cross volunteer informed me that the water was not free and that I had to pay a dollar for it. And oh - possibly pertinent - I'm pretty sure I was there VOLUNTEERING for the Red Cross at the time.

Okay, I'll leave off on that huge tangent now. My bad. Back to bashing Apple - I'll leave the poor Red Cross alone

 

[I7guy]

It truly sucks when you keep making the SAME mistake - ugh...

I completely jacked my girlfriend's phone by turning on iCloud. Switched it on, turned off photos - so as not to immediately exceed the "free storage" -

The next morning, she turns on her phone - and ALL of her contacts have been deleted - wiped out her entire address book. Genius.

Ah well... I'm fairly certain the oligarchs will keep the stock market churning until after they re-elect themselves. Then, hopefully, the "correction" will empty the "money cloud" and Apple can enjoy a taste of its own medicine.

As others have covered, we've all been VERY lucky to live through some remarkably exciting times.

But, if there is no shakeup in the market, leading to a shakeup at Apple - the innovators will just continue to be locked out by the bean counters. Everything is just SO FAKE - to the point that thinking the same about doing nothing BUT evil apparently just continues to fill the counters' coffers with infinite fake "cloud" cash.

And today's "breaking news" - Apple tosses up some banners for Red Cross - the awesome charity that happily takes your money, then charges victims for bottled water. Wow, the world is just SO messed up

Red Cross has a lot of corporate sponsors. http://www.redcross.org/donations/w...-to-donate-and-fundraise/corporate-supporters Apple is one of many. Maybe you should just send cash there.

"the innovators will just continue to be locked out by the bean counters." Internet hyperbole with not back-bone. I get it you stated an opinion on an internet forum, but there is no proof of this other than maybe this "fact" gets repeated enough and it becomes an Internet truism.

 

[einmusiker]

I've bought my last computer and my last phone. I'm out.

I was lucky enough to snag an "SE" - and I own a rMPB late-2013.

Innovation is dead. I could have bought into 3-D "touch" - but given I bought the smaller phone, not included

If it happens, I'll certainly know about it. But innovation is dead in the water.

I truly miss Steve Jobs. It was his constant innovation that kept me on the edge of my seat - what AWESOME new innovation will come next?

Sadly, now Apple is just another tech company. They can phase me out with their free "updates" - but they're so f'n buggy, I can wait. And dispense with all of them - as they all wish to take me to the "cloud" with a monthly subscription to "share" my data "privately" with them.

I'll wait... and wait. And wait some more. And then some more.

In the meantime - I'll strap on a Polar chest band - that MUCH more accurately measures what the os/Apple Watch will never do.

And yes, I do blame Apple. They innovated - they excited us. Now we have a bean-counter.

Sorry, bud. But, lacking the innovation, you will be counting less beans.

But some people refuse to learn from history. And bean-counters are certainly among them.

So I hope the Chinese communist-slave lackeys made me a good computer and phone. I'll rest in that hope.

But, apparently - goodbye to Apple innovation. How long did digital watches survive as a fad?

And, even if you trust Apple with your life, what dimwits are installing devices that control their home?

I'm old school. My opinions don't matter. Until my current devices implode - I'm done with Apple.

The excitement is gone. Seriously... completely.

Sadly, if I were to have an iWatch on my wrist, I'd miss out on the HUGE opportunity to touch it to activate the laptop I'm opening. I'd easily spend... NOTHING... on that.

So now, that Steve is officially "dead" as far as innovation - what's the next FUN innovative tech company to watch?

Steve was a businessman. A brilliant marketer, but he didn't innovate any tech himself

 

[grahamperrin]

… No doubt there's a new generation that's psyched about stuff that just doesn't interest me.

Below, the brain

… Removing this data from iCloud will remove it from all connected devices."

To me, that's just straight messed up.

That's a commonplace view, and I'll not attempt to sway you, but for some aspects of iCloud it's necessary to take a leap of faith; to treat it as the primary storage medium.

… I've found iCloud to be extremely buggy. …

On one hand, I view it as far from bug-free. On the other hand, I'm 'guilty' of ignoring most such bugs whenever I had the opportunity to feed them to Apple.

… unhandy Android …

I find it handy. And I occasionally read about effects of fragmentation, but as a user of a single Android device: I'm entirely unaware of those effects.

I think you see lots of emotion tied to Apple as a whole. If you were a Mac user in the early 90's you probably are the most emotional of them all. The Mac connected with people in a way no other computer or product could. You saw it as more of an enabler of creativity (tool for the mind) than a computer. When you looked at a Mac you could also feel how much better the future would be...there was hope in that box. Then …

This thread just went bizarro. Excuse me whlie I vomit.

You're excused.

BBC: Loving Apple looks like a religion to an MRI scan​

I think Apple's making some risky bets on the future. …

+1

Thoughts On Apple Services Revenue - Benjamin Mayo (2016-04-28, highlights)

Gave Google Photos a spin for a few days. …

I began using it recently. It's loveable, especially on Android.

 

[aristobrat]

Storage is just ridiculously cheap - and fast. The real, physical kind you OWN.

Who is using this cloud stuff, and why?

I do.

Having my files in the cloud allows me to access them from pretty much any device (my work computer, my home computer, my smartphone, my tablet, or even from someone else's computer) without having to keep them on a physical storage device that I have to carry around with me from location-to-location (or device-to-device).

I still use physical storage (attached to my home Mac) to backup these files (via Time Machine), so if there's ever any issue with the cloud, I have a full copy of all of my files locally. I also like that the cloud is an off-site copy of my files, so should my house catch on fire, or someone break in and steal all of my tech, my data's still safe.

 

[Michael Goff]

I have no idea if your echo the thoughts of other typical consumers or not, but I for one, would definitely move away from apple if they go in that direction.

I agree with your other sentiments that we are seeing a shift away from typical x86 computers, but that may not mean we should transition the desktop computer from x86 to ARM.

What if they moved the less pro-level things to ARM and kept the pro things x86 (at least for the time being)? I could see that being a good move.