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Billius1154

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Nov 11, 2021
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Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.
 

bradl

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Jun 16, 2008
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Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

So you upgraded without checking to see if your peripherals and everything else you needed is supported by Monterey, and you are blaming Monterey and Apple for that lack? Hate to say it, but that research should have been done well and truly prior to upgrading anything at all. No-one is being forced to upgrade to anything they are not ready to upgrade to. That isn't Apple's fault; that is a PEBKAC issue that many people do without first doing their homework.

As for 32bit vs. 64bit, Again, that isn't a fault of iOS; that is the fault of the user. 32bit? I knew I was going to be in trouble for that, and CHOSE not to upgrade past iOS 10.3.3 on my iPad mini 4. It isn't going to go any higher than that, because Apple dropped 32bit libraries starting with iOS 11. my 32bit games still work.

Again, not sure why that is Apple's fault versus choices made at the user level.

BL.
 

Billius1154

macrumors newbie
Original poster
Nov 11, 2021
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So you upgraded without checking to see if your peripherals and everything else you needed is supported by Monterey, and you are blaming Monterey and Apple for that lack? Hate to say it, but that research should have been done well and truly prior to upgrading anything at all. No-one is being forced to upgrade to anything they are not ready to upgrade to. That isn't Apple's fault; that is a PEBKAC issue that many people do without first doing their homework.

As for 32bit vs. 64bit, Again, that isn't a fault of iOS; that is the fault of the user. 32bit? I knew I was going to be in trouble for that, and CHOSE not to upgrade past iOS 10.3.3 on my iPad mini 4. It isn't going to go any higher than that, because Apple dropped 32bit libraries starting with iOS 11. my 32bit games still work.

Again, not sure why that is Apple's fault versus choices made at the user level.

BL.
I don’t doubt you are quite right. My fault entirely. Apple utterly blameless. But, my windows machine lets me print. Apple one doesn’t. Bit of a fait accompl!
 

yitwail

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Sep 4, 2011
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Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same.
I guess I wasn't important enough for Apple to force me to upgrade, because I'm still on Big Sur 11.6.1 and everything is running smoothly.
 

bradl

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Jun 16, 2008
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I don’t doubt you are quite right. My fault entirely. Apple utterly blameless. But, my windows machine lets me print. Apple one doesn’t. Bit of a fait accompl!

Yet you could easily have:

  1. backed up your Mac. Time Machine, CCC, whatever your backup method of choice is.
  2. upgraded your Mac. When you noticed your problem;
  3. created a USB boot stick of your last used OS, booted to that, and
  4. restored your Mac completely from Time Machine, getting you back to exactly where you were prior to upgrading.
Again, not Apple's fault there, especially when other avenues could have been taken.

I'm on a mid-2011 13" MBA, and I'm about to pull the trigger on a MBP. I haven't been able to upgrade since Sierra, and when I was able to go to High Sierra, my Mac crashed spontaneously over anything and everything I did. An hour later thanks to a full Time Machine restore, I was back rock solid on Sierra, and have been ever since.

My point: Just because you CAN upgrade doesn't mean you NEED to or MUST upgrade.

BL.
 

rgeneral

macrumors 6502
Dec 2, 2012
426
1,568
Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.
Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.
I hope you feel better.
 

Apple_Robert

Contributor
Sep 21, 2012
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In a van down by the river
Well, got a few things off my chest, and maybe others are also feeling somewhat miffed as well?
You should have come here early on for advice. If you had, maybe the community could have helped you and spared you from your own mistakes, instead of ranting against Apple. Apple is far from perfect and certainly needs to improve in some areas but, I can’t see blaming them with what you wrote.
 
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Billius1154

macrumors newbie
Original poster
Nov 11, 2021
6
114
I obviously need to apologise to all. I stupidly assumed that a quality manufacturer of any product who offered upgrades would have made suffiencent checks so that the customer could proceed with expectations of success. Obviously not true. My fault entirely should have checked the printers, keyboards, electrical supply, wiring, power sockets etc. Still no worries, I’ll just bash on with windows (which seem strangely enough to “just work”) Ah well, lesson learnt!
 

MBAir2010

macrumors 604
May 30, 2018
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6,354
there
good for you, i use both and stopped at Mojave.

my dell XPS is incredible and can perform anything while offering less ads and more safe web experiencing the Safari.
while my trusted MacBook air form 2010 still packs a punch and sync well with the iPad using edge browser.
apple had lost some or maybe a lot of respect towards mutli-decade users and want to purge us soon.
post like these might jilt Cupertino which they should be alerted how walled gardens do not sit well with those who demand freedom in their computing experience, even in disposable 2021!
 

zarathu

macrumors 6502a
May 14, 2003
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361
Anyone who spends any time on the Apple Community “Forum” will easily see rgeneral’s point. There are endless complaints there about things that have stopped working, from printers to mice to whatever. You have to pay attention because moderation prevents anyone from trying to assist with work arounds, and removes the posts pretty quickly. Anyone who buys into any of the early iterations of any either MS or OS is pretty crazy, IMO. EVer since my first mac with system 4, I never did that unless my new mac cvame with the newest system. And then, I did not upgrade until .5.
 

bradl

macrumors 603
Jun 16, 2008
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I obviously need to apologise to all. I stupidly assumed that a quality manufacturer of any product who offered upgrades would have made suffiencent checks so that the customer could proceed with expectations of success. Obviously not true. My fault entirely should have checked the printers, keyboards, electrical supply, wiring, power sockets etc. Still no worries, I’ll just bash on with windows (which seem strangely enough to “just work”) Ah well, lesson learnt!

Again, it isn't Apple's responsibility to check that other's peripherals work with their OS; in fact, it is the other way around: those peripheral manufacturers need to make sure that the drivers THEY ARE WRITING for THEIR hardware is supported AND AVAILABLE for the new OS released. Windows is no different.

"just work" is pending on if those 3rd part manufacturers are up to date. If they are not, that is not Apple's fault. Again, homework not done.

BL.
 

GSWForever8

macrumors 6502a
Apr 10, 2021
530
497
Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.
The ceo is Tim Cook.
 

zarathu

macrumors 6502a
May 14, 2003
650
361
I obviously need to apologise to all. I stupidly assumed that a quality manufacturer of any product who offered upgrades would have made suffiencent checks so that the customer could proceed with expectations of success. Obviously not true. My fault entirely should have checked the printers, keyboards, electrical supply, wiring, power sockets etc. Still no worries, I’ll just bash on with windows (which seem strangely enough to “just work”) Ah well, lesson learnt!
No.... your fault is in believing the hype that you should buy into upgrading to the first version of an OS. Thge smart money is on the 12.5 version. The same situation exists for Windows. And if you buy into the hype there, you have exactly the same problem. MY opinion, of course.
 

AZhappyjack

Suspended
Jul 3, 2011
10,184
23,659
Happy Jack, AZ
Not sure why you felt compelled to tell strangers you switched to Windows. You might as well make a sign and stand on the side of the road announcing you are now using Windows.

It happens a lot around here... classic narcissist - nothing more that someone standing up and shouting "Hey! Look at me!". He created an account here, and has SIX total posts - all in this thread...

IMO, if you're going, just go. Show some class.
 

DaveyVigs

macrumors regular
Sep 28, 2016
177
175
Theses posts make me laugh.

You’ll be back. Windows 11 is trash. Microsoft doesn’t make a phone OS anymore and their first two surface duo phones are so far behind where they should have been at launch.

I have a Microsoft Surface pro I am about to sell if I can’t downgrade it because of being forced to upgrade to Windows 11.

I started with Linux, moved to Microsoft, went back to Linux, to Mac, to Linux again, back to Mac, and now run all three. I leaned almost 25 years ago that each has its own purpose as there is not one true OS to rule them all so I run them all, whenever I need to.
 

Arctic Moose

macrumors 68000
Jun 22, 2017
1,599
2,128
Gothenburg, Sweden
I stupidly assumed that a quality manufacturer of any product who offered upgrades would have made suffiencent checks so that the customer could proceed with expectations of success.

How the hell is it Apple’s fault that the manufacturer of your printer has failed to make compatible drivers available despite an extensive developer beta period?
 

0128672

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Apr 16, 2020
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4,783
Some of us here go back and forth between macOS and Windows and Linux or use them concurrently depending on our work and home needs. It's not a big deal to go use Windows for a while. Get your stuff done using whatever tools you need at the time. Enjoy.
 
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