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[AZhappyjack]

I obviously need to apologise to all. I stupidly assumed that a quality manufacturer of any product who offered upgrades would have made suffiencent checks so that the customer could proceed with expectations of success. Obviously not true. My fault entirely should have checked the printers, keyboards, electrical supply, wiring, power sockets etc. Still no worries, I’ll just bash on with windows (which seem strangely enough to “just work”) Ah well, lesson learnt!

That a big part of why Apple does developer beta releases - to allow developers of software and peripherals to test their software and drivers, IF THE DEVELOPER CHOOSES TO DO SO. Obviously, your peripheral manufacturer chose not to, and you jumped headlong into the Monterey pool without doing your homework. Sucks to be you... but this one is on you, as neither Apple nor anyone else forced you to go to Monterey...

 

[now i see it]

After 15 years I would’ve thought you’d learned your lesson never to install a brand new OS. What you’re experiencing is typical launch day bugs.
On the Mac especially, it’s best to stay one year behind the upgrade curve.

 

[MBAir2010]

this one is on you, as neither Apple nor anyone else forced you to go to Monterey...

Apple always insists on using the latest version of their current os in every troubleshooting guide for all their devices, and is always the first suggesting in fixing anything.
so yes
apple is forcing us to convert to Monterrey.

 

[triptolemus]

15 years with Macs and never joined MacRumors until today.

Nice.

 

[cSalmon]

everyone's down on the OP but what has this incessant annual upgrade cycle really gotten us? Yes the post is another redundant post isn't that the real problem another yearly update and another three months of users being a second wave of beta testers - so we have threads airing out the hair pulling frustration Apple puts their users through every single year if they foolishly update in those first three months. Why not an update every two years?

So I agree with the OP if this CEO can't recognize the frustration his users are experiencing yearly then could there maybe be a better person for the job???

 

[MBAir2010]

Maybe in your world... but it's foolish to even consider upgrading without performing a proper backup... as always, caveat emptor.

we know that
but for those who arent computer savvy are advised to upgrade to the lastest software
this suggestion is on apple’s website, not in my world and I am making this statement up.

 

[AZhappyjack]

Apple always insists on using the latest version of their current os in every troubleshooting guide for all their devices, and is always the first suggesting in fixing anything.
so yes
apple is forcing us to convert to Monterrey.

Maybe in your world... but it's foolish to even consider upgrading without performing a proper backup... as always, caveat emptor.

everyone's down on the OP but what has this incessant annual upgrade cycle really gotten us? Yes the post is another redundant post isn't that the real problem another yearly update and another three months of users being a second wave of beta testers - so we have threads airing out the hair pulling frustration Apple puts their users through every single year if they foolishly update in those first three months. Why not an update every two years?

So I agree with the OP if this CEO can't recognize the frustration his users are experiencing yearly then could there maybe be a better person for the job???

If OP was truly a 15-year veteran of Mac and macOS, one could reasonably expect that this was not his first experience with issues related to upgrading to a new version of macOS... again, no one forced the OP to upgrade... and certainly upgrading without doing a backup is, at best, ill-advised. I suspect that many with 15 years experience using macOS have yet to upgrade to Monterey.

 

[bsamcash]

So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft.

I’ll miss you.

 

[MBAir2010]

15 years with Macs and never joined MacRumors until today.

Nice.

I don’t think that is irrelevant.
the person is is just publishing his disappointment with apple.
not apple users
most people are reacting like the original poster is a viscous serial killer.

 

[Paddle1]

I don't know about being forced, I'm still using both iOS 14 and Windows 10 without issue. You can wait for these new updates to become more stable.

 

[TiggrToo]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

Hilarious. You create an account today just to bitch about something that was entirely within your ability to avoid, and expect others to care.

Tim Cook won't give a flying rats either. Nor should he.

Go use your windows device if you feel the grass is greener. It'll not effect anyone of us here.

I do however find your need to go through all this effort to complain to be rather trollish in nature.

Most normal folk take responsibility for the actions - apparently you feel that you shouldn't have to and that these problems are someone else's.

Newsflash - this is ALL on you. Period.

Sympathy level = 0.

 

[antiprotest]

I don't disagree with you about Apple's incompetence, but Microsoft is not really better. Sometimes it's almost like it depends on plain luck. Many people switch from Windows to Mac for similar reasons you stated. In my own experience (my own usage and people I know), more people have severe and ongoing problems with Windows than Mac. And Windows very often destroy their machines even with their small monthly patches. So you may be happy today, but two months from now your WIFI might be completely gone, then six months from now your display, then nine months from now your printers. You just won't know until it happens. And it can happen at any time. Sometimes it can be fixed but sometimes can't no matter what you try. It happened to me in Windows after 6 months with a top notch gaming rig and I could never get WIFI working again. I could only turn to ethernet. I have abandoned Windows completely as I use iPhone and iPad anyway so everything just work better together.

My point, your switch might work out like you think but it might not -- it could be much much worse. Good luck, you'll need it.

 

[Shirasaki]

Your experience is the very reason I choose to use both Windows machine and a Mac, so I can have benefit of both worlds. When Mac doesn’t work, I go to Windows. When Windows doesn’t work, I go to Mac. Ezpz.

Maybe now you are so fed up, you can do the same and enjoy the benefit both ways without being so angry at either incompetent engineer or inept management team at Apple.

 

[Shirasaki]

After 15 years I would’ve thought you’d learned your lesson never to install a brand new OS. What you’re experiencing is typical launch day bugs.
On the Mac especially, it’s best to stay one year behind the upgrade curve.

Or apply enterprise software audit practice if possible. Nowadays software development is growing increasingly untrustworthy for stuff developed by mega corporations.

 

[JtheLemur]

prove it. delete your account for starters.

 

[heinzdembowski]

So you upgraded without checking to see if your peripherals and everything else you needed is supported by Monterey, and you are blaming Monterey and Apple for that lack? Hate to say it, but that research should have been done well and truly prior to upgrading anything at all.

Bollocks. It's 2021, **** should just work.

 

[heinzdembowski]

How the hell is it Apple’s fault that the manufacturer of your printer has failed to make compatible drivers available despite an extensive developer beta period?

Apple broke their APIs, otherwise the devices would still work.

 

[TracerAnalog]

I don’t doubt you are quite right. My fault entirely. Apple utterly blameless. But, my windows machine lets me print. Apple one doesn’t. Bit of a fait accompl!

Good luck with your Windows 11 upgrade😉. In all seriousness: all operating systems have their quirks. Windows is plagued by almost endless backwards compatibility, which is also its strength. Apple happily drops stuff every so many years and is therefore more free to develop in new directions. Which can be a pain.

As the saying goes: choose your poison wisely😅

 

[wowee]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

I had the same issue with my printer when I got Monterey. I was very annoyed for sure. But I simply downloaded the latest drivers (which were for Big Sur) and the printer worked...

 

[macintoshmac]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

You just put a ding in the Apple universe. I am sure the top management must be feeling it and I hope they course-correct in the coming years to make loyal users who switched (such as yourself) come back to the infamous walled garden once again.

There are things you could have done before upgrading, such as checking for compatibility of hardware and software, as many others have suggested.

Now, if you did not do that, you still had the option to downgrade back to the version that worked. Not sure why you had to go and buy a Windows machine at this point, unless you wanted to.

 

[GuruZac]

good for you, i use both and stopped at Mojave.

my dell XPS is incredible and can perform anything while offering less ads and more safe web experiencing the Safari.
while my trusted MacBook air form 2010 still packs a punch and sync well with the iPad using edge browser.
apple had lost some or maybe a lot of respect towards mutli-decade users and want to purge us soon.
post like these might jilt Cupertino which they should be alerted how walled gardens do not sit well with those who demand freedom in their computing experience, even in disposable 2021!

These posts are so hyperbolic. It’s like you guys imagine Apple execs sitting in a board room thinking of ways to ‘screw the long time Mac users’ by introducing features etc that don‘t work the way you like or not all due to evolving technology. I have been using Macs since 2001, a hand-me-down iBook G3 from my dad and am currently using an M1 MacBook Air. I don’t feel slighted by the least and have no issues with printers, etc on macOS 12. I‘m glad you and the OP can get along with your PCs. Just stop the assumptions that Apple doesn’t care about end users.

 

[zarathu]

Just stop the assumptions that Apple doesn’t care about end users.

If you were one of those people whose intel mac was bricked and book the t1 and t2 chip you would feel quite differently. Its because it didn’t happen to you, you have no sympathy for the stuff that happens to others.

Granted that the OP fell for the hype that they should upgrade immediately instead of doing what us oldtimers(since 1977 computers old timer) always do by waiting until the .5 version to upgrade.

But truth to be told almost none of us with M1Pros or M1Maxs are impacted by this. I believe that clearly all the effort was put into designing a system for the new M1’s, and not much of the design team still exists to make Intel versions.

 

[Queen6]

I've bought Window's notebooks to replace Mac's, but not for something so trivial. OP just needs to roll back to his/her version of macOS of choice. Not difficult and explained how to by Apple, just boot and install from a USB flash drive.

Create a bootable installer for macOS - Apple Support

Use an external drive or secondary volume as a startup disk from which to install macOS.

support.apple.com

Q-6

 

[FNH15]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

Developers have had since 2004 to start the 64 bit transition, and since 2011 to solidify their plans.

What printers? Chance’s are you can simply use the generic driver.

Have fun with Windows...

 

[millerj123]

I've bought Window's notebooks to replace Mac's, but not for something so trivial. OP just needs to roll back to his/her version of macOS of choice. Not difficult and explained how to by Apple, just boot and install from a USB flash drive.

Create a bootable installer for macOS - Apple Support

Use an external drive or secondary volume as a startup disk from which to install macOS.

support.apple.com

Q-6

Wait, this seems reasonable. This thread is for un-reasonable.

I'd considered rolling my 2011 MacBookPro from High Sierra to just Sierra, but went for a new 14" instead. There are many options, it would seem.