Goodbye

[EnglishPsycho]

My Xerox printer at work doesn't yet support Monterey over AirPrint, I got around this by setting my MacBook up to print directly to the IP address associated to the printer and installing it with the generic postscript driver built into MacOS and it works perfect.
I'd even go as far to say it connects and prints quicker this way than compared to colleagues of mine running Windows 10/11.

I totally get the frustration of it not printing with a new OS and you shouldn't need a workaround to get things to work, but I personally don't think it is down to Apple to make sure their OS works with every single device out there less we will be waiting 5 years for every revision.
We also have another printer (a Brother laser jet) and that works totally fine on Monterey via AirPrint and it running on years old firmware as we have never updated the machine since we have had it.

 

[LeeW]

is this a melodramatic whine, or what?

What, is that something new on this forum?

 

[Queen6]

Wait, this seems reasonable. This thread is for un-reasonable.

I'd considered rolling my 2011 MacBookPro from High Sierra to just Sierra, but went for a new 14" instead. There are many options, it would seem.

Nice I'd really consider the new 14" but my current M1 MBP is enough for my needs right now so will hold off a year or so I've also a 2011 MBP one of the notorious 15" models with the ill fated Radeon dGPU, equally this one just keeps rocking. Maybe lucked our on the dGPU as this one is stock from the factory barring OS updates, it's never even been clean installed LOL.

Q-6

 

[smirking]

You'll be back.

Or rather, 2 months from now, everyone will be like, "Why are you still here?"

 

[burgman]

I obviously need to apologise to all. I stupidly assumed that a quality manufacturer of any product who offered upgrades would have made suffiencent checks so that the customer could proceed with expectations of success. Obviously not true. My fault entirely should have checked the printers, keyboards, electrical supply, wiring, power sockets etc. Still no worries, I’ll just bash on with windows (which seem strangely enough to “just work”) Ah well, lesson learnt!

New user... rant... out... all in 24 hours is that a record?

 

[Madhatter32]

As long as the OP did not say "Goodbye, cruel world, I'm leaving you today ... " I remain unconcerned with their departure. Suffice it to say, no one is "forced" to upgrade. Also, going to Windows for this reason hardly seems like a solution.

 

[Spanky Deluxe]

Haha, oh dear, you're in for some fun with Windows. My wife wanted Windows machines for the business we set up a few years ago as at her previous company they used some Windows only proprietary software. We didn't skimp on ultra cheap machines or anything and went for Microsoft Surface Book laptops, figuring that they'd be a safe bet in terms of compatibility and support etc. After two and a half years, we're now trialing a shift to Macs. We never ended up using any proprietary software anyway. My wife's machine was the first to switch and she's now got a 14" MBP. We're looking at getting MBAs for new hires and will see how that goes. Our reason for switching is partly because the Surface Book Studio looks to be a disappointing replacement for the Surface Book but it's also partly because of how buggy Windows has been (on Microsoft branded laptops).

The biggest culprit was the 20H2 update to Windows 10 that was pushed out in October last year, mid-pandemic when most of our staff were working from home. Any machine that updated to it started exhibiting weird errors. USB connection issues. Graphical issues in browsers. I couldn't for the life of me work out what was going on and these were machines that I didn't have ready access to because everyone was working from home. I happened to mention it to a buddy who works in IT and he said it was probably 20H2 as he'd heard loads of reports of the same thing both from colleagues and in his business. The only fix was to wipe and reinstall the machine with a 20H2 install. It was updating to 20H2 that caused the problems. Reinstalling with a fresh install of the same version was fine. Trying to manage that in the middle of a pandemic when people were working from home and there was a serious scarcity of backup machines available to buy was a nightmare.

Then of course there was that time a few weeks ago when I decided to set up one of our Surface Book 3s for a new employee and figured since I was wiping it anyway and Windows 11 was now out, I should just go straight for that. So I downloaded the latest USB image of Windows 11 from Microsoft only to find that they didn't include drivers for the keyboard, trackpad or touch screen. I mean really? It's a *current* Microsoft laptop that's been out for over year and is still being sold now and they didn't think to include drivers for their own machine? I had to plug in an old USB mac keyboard that I had lying around just to get Windows to install. Well, specifically, I had to hot swap between a Mac keyboard and an old USB mouse because the laptop couldn't provide enough power for both over one USB port and the other USB port had the Windows 11 install USB in.

So yeah, that's what you've got to look forward to!

P.S. We still use Windows on most of our Office machines and I have a Windows gaming PC too that's the most expensive machine in my house. I don't hate Microsoft or Windows and we use Microsoft's online services extensively (Windows 365 E3 licenses etc). Apple and MacOS have their issues too but their hardware is now a league ahead and while MacOS has it's quirks at time, it pales in comparison to the hassles that Windows brings and I'm fed up with wasting days upon end dealing with Windows support issues.

 

[boss.king]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

Update related bugs aren’t unique to MacOS. I can totally understand it being annoying, but no system is immune to this problem.

 

[julesme]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

I am not an apologist for Apple. They have and will continue to make mistakes, and clearly in your case they have made things difficult with regards to Monterey. Having said that, I fear that you're switching to a Windows environment that is every bit as riddled with bugs, inefficiencies, incompatibilities between hardware/software, greater threat of malware / viruses, and no reliable way to get hardware support when something goes wrong. In short, you are returning to a Windows environment that is similar to the one you left 15 years ago (in some ways it's worse, because the touch-first GUI makes it less appealing than ever to use a mouse & pointer). You're also losing the ability to easily sync messages, photos, music, calendar, etc across your iCloud account to various devices. I feel you are not gaining much of a net advantage in switching to Windows, which leads to the obvious question: what exactly are you hoping to achieve?

 

[bradl]

Bollocks. It's 2021, **** should just work.

It works when one makes it work. Computers are not just for ease and convenience. Besides, if **** just worked, Apple would still be with Intel, AIDS, all cancers, and all SARs would have been cured and all geopolitical conflicts would have been resolved into the utopia we see in episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation, because humanity should "just work".

No, mon ami; **** works when we figure out how to MAKE IT WORK. Some companies (not Apple in this case) haven't figured out how to make their **** work; that is on those companies, and by extension on the user with the products of those companies because of their assumption that **** just works.

Like I said before, PEBKAC.

BL.

 

[bradl]

Wait, this seems reasonable. This thread is for un-reasonable.

I'd considered rolling my 2011 MacBookPro from High Sierra to just Sierra, but went for a new 14" instead. There are many options, it would seem.

I upgraded to High Sierra on my MBA. crashed upon seconds of booting. I thankfully created a USB boot stick for High Sierra, used that, blew my entire Mac away, and tried again...

.. crashed upon seconds of booting. Rebooted again; crashed in 3 minutes of booting.

I took my USB boot stick I made of Sierra, blew everything away, reinstalled Sierra, restored everything from my Time Machine backup, and have been solid on that for 5 years.

There are many options, indeed; the OP just wants to blame others for a knee-jerk decision based on lack of research to see if everything he has works on Monterey, and FOMO.

BL.

 

[pianostar9]

The op is referencing the rolling over in his grave of Jobs. He knows who is currently CEO.

Whoever the current CEO of Apple is

Are you sure OP knows?

 

[MBAir2010]

It’s like you guys imagine Apple execs sitting in a board room thinking of ways to ‘screw the long time Mac users’

i blame the lower  pee-ons who get that LAME promotion for developing something
were iCloud stops working in Mountain lion all of the sudden,
when the previous month everything was fine.
and tim jobs!

 

[Realityck]

The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10).

I have a ancient HP LaserJet 2200 and it works. I seen people buy a lot of odd brands like label printers that are hard to find support.

 

[MBAir2010]

I have been using Macs since 2001, a hand-me-down iBook G3 from my dad and am currently using an M1 MacBook Air.

oh i remember those days!
i had the G3 iMac in 1999 with Photoshop 3 and used to transport that to work sometimes instead of zip driving art back and forth to a Compaq PC using corel draw.
i wanted to get one of those iBooks, but could not fathom the thought of a laptop and working on one in a public place.
i guess we did different things besides computing more!

well enjoy your new  set up and take care.

 

[astrorider]

I accidentally upgraded to Monterey...meant to upgrade to Big Sur 11.6.1 and guess I hit the wrong option in the Software Update screen. When I saw several software incompatibilities with Monterey that I wasn't prepared to invest time to figure out, I booted from my Carbon Copy Cloner clone of Big Sur and used that instead. At the end of the work day I told Carbon Copy Cloner to restore my main drive with the clone I'd been using. Easy peasy, no down time, no lost data. Can't recommend cloning backup software enough.

 

[jake.au]

How old are your printers

 

[bradl]

I have a ancient HP LaserJet 2200 and it works. I seen people buy a lot of odd brands like label printers that are hard to find support.

With that said, I'm actually doing the homework for my printer now (Brother HL-3180CDW). It came out in 2015, and is discontinued now, so I'm not sure if I'll find drivers geared directly toward it....

... However, as the printer supports AirPrint, I'm still good, because MacOS from Lion up to Monterey still supports AirPrint. Perhaps if the OP did his homework on that to see if AirPrint still works, he may not be in the predicament he is in now.

Again, the issue here is PEBKAC.

BL.

 

[millerj123]

How old are your printers

Hi Jake, I'm not sure who you are asking, but mine are about 10 years and 2 years. The 2 year unit worked like a charm, I'm still battling the 10 year. The drivers from the manufacturer won't even install.

 

[Berries-A-Million]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

Our two printers in our house work fine and without anything done to make them work with Monterey. As someone who has had Windows for 30 years, I can tell you that MAC OS is a relief that I don't have to do anything to get them to work. They just worked on their own. Some printers maybe more difficult, but its not the OS, its the manufacture of the printer that needs to fix the driver issues. Both ours are HP. Ones a Officejet, and the other a MFP Color Laserjet. Have fun with all those patches MS releases and has to pull back after its already screwed up your computer. Or the malware/viruses that plague them.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I wish people wouldn't bash the OP for a post like this.

We are in the "Alternatives to Mac Hardware" area of the forum.

This sort of post is perfectly in bounds here and some of us do actually enjoy reading the stories of the comings/goings.

 

[Stridr69]

Your experience is the very reason I choose to use both Windows machine and a Mac, so I can have benefit of both worlds. When Mac doesn’t work, I go to Windows. When Windows doesn’t work, I go to Mac. Ezpz.

Maybe now you are so fed up, you can do the same and enjoy the benefit both ways without being so angry at either incompetent engineer or inept management team at Apple.

Ding, Ding, Ding, We Gotta Winnah!!! Best take of this thread. I DO the EXACT SAME THING!. Use the right tool for the job.

 

[ian87w]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

Wait, you didn't like the constant updates from Windows platform, and now you're back on it? You didn't read so many issues with Windows 11, even as basic as slowing down AMD chips?

If you don't like constant updates, go Android. What's what I did to replace my Windows laptop. I use my Galaxy Tab S7FE now (typing on one). System Updates are just quarterly for the security patches. Anything else (apps) get auto updated from the Play Store.

I have come to terms that in order to not be annoyed with the way PCs are, I have to embrace the post-PC era.

 

[Mr. Dee]

This is an issue that could have been easily resolved by going back to your previous version of macOS the printers worked under. These days there really is no need to rush upgrading to the latest version. Personally, I wait until like WWDC when the next version is announced before I upgrade. So, I probably won't be on Monterrey until macOS 13 is announced. I do feel like Apple should have kept 32 bit support in the newer versions as an option though just like Rosetta is an option for those who need it. I still have Adobe CS6 and I have no intention at the moment to upgrade my Early 2015 MBP so I don't lose it. But with reports Apple is not sharing security patches with older versions of the OS (which partly understandable), I might have to think about switching to Affinity Photo.

 

[calstanford]

Finally, after 15 years of Mac, I have admitted defeat and realised that the reasons that I moved to Apple from Microsoft all those years ago, are no longer true. One of my main reasons was, the almost constant upgrades that Microsoft kept forcing on me, but now I find that Apple are doing the same. The other reason was the buggy nature of the upgrades that microsoft introduced causing frequent and often not easily solved issues. Now I find Apple all too frequently doing the same. The latest lovely little glitch to hit me is after ”upgrading” to Monterey, none of my three printers will work, and none of them have “monterey” drivers available. I have now bitten the bullet and purchased a Windows 10 machine so that I can at least print things out (all three printers are working fine in Windows 10). I am a straightforward user, I have zero interest in geekery or digging into the depths of the OS, I just want a reliable machine that works, day in, day out. I’m not even getting into the 32bit v 64bit thing and how that’s devastated my gaming options. The blunt fact is that the premium that I was happy to pay for my Apple iMac is no longer worth it. So after 15 years, I’m back with Microsoft. Poor Mr Jobs must be revolving at a very high speed. Whoever the current CEO of Apple is, he needs to ask himself some very hard searching questions, and the rest of us had better pray that he never moves into manufacturing aircraft.

or you could have just stayed with Big Sur for now where your printers work

Sounds to me like you just got bored and wanted something else