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miknos

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Google Photos is practically beta. Wait for features and stability to be added in future releases.
 

MCAsan

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Why wait at all? There are far too many other well established image processing alternatives to either app named Photos.
 

robgendreau

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Is there a way that uploaded photos can automatically appear in an album structure that is the same as the folders from whence they came? The search feature is great, but I have a mix of stuff with scans and the date organization is whack because of that.

Also, I'm disappointed it won't do tiff.

All in all though, it's the best mass dumping ground for photos yet. Cheaper and easier to use than iCloud Photo Library, and without the ads of the free Flickr thing if that grinds your gears (I am on a legacy Flickr Pro account so the new stuff doesn't apply to me).

I already have adequate backups of originals, so I don't care about the downsizing. I convert to JPEG for online viewing anyway, and Google's compression is quite good. It's kinda nice to just have a giant shoebox of photos available anywhere, which is kinda what this GP is.
 
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FredT2

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I already have adequate backups of originals, so I don't care about the downsizing. I convert to JPEG for online viewing anyway, and Google's compression is quite good. It's kinda nice to just have a giant shoebox of photos available anywhere, which is kinda what this GP is.
I like that description, a shoebox available everywhere. I'm using Flickr in the same manner, letting my iOS devices upload automatically and selectively uploading other sources from Lightroom. It's really nice being able to see the whole collection of photos from any device.
 

robgendreau

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I like that description, a shoebox available everywhere. I'm using Flickr in the same manner, letting my iOS devices upload automatically and selectively uploading other sources from Lightroom. It's really nice being able to see the whole collection of photos from any device.

Yeah, this for example: http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/4/8729943/laughing-and-crying-my-way-through-the-new-google-photos

Photos are content, and we have them for different purposes. Hobbyists and pros that hang here have different needs when we've got those hats on; sometimes, even with that expertise and fancy equipment, we are just snapshooters. And the shoebox and serendipitous discovery is part of that. And heaven forfend it also work with some of our fancy work.

And it is a trip to do searches or filtering with the algorithms Flickr and Google use...you discover some interesting stuff datamining your own work.
 

skinned66

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It nails faces automatically.

It sure does

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robgendreau

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An embarrassing algorithmic bug by Google, at least partly the result of Silicon Valley being very white. But it does not take away from how much better Google Photos is compared to everything else out there.

Unless you use keywords....
 

FredT2

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Not sure what you are saying.
Not replying for Rob, but from my perspective the problem with Google Photos is that you're stuck with it's groupings. In my photos, included in what it says are dogs are some cats and a rabbit. The same thing happens in Flickr, but with Flickr I can remove the dog tag from those cat and rabbit photos. I can't see a way of doing that in Google Photos. In addition to that I can add other tags to those photos to further refine my groups.
 

skinned66

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An embarrassing algorithmic bug by Google, at least partly the result of Silicon Valley being very white. But it does not take away from how much better Google Photos is compared to everything else out there.

I completely agree. I still won't be using it, but I might just be a curmudgeon - I don't even do Facebook.

I draw a line in the sand when it comes to photos.
 

Paco II

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Not replying for Rob, but from my perspective the problem with Google Photos is that you're stuck with it's groupings. In my photos, included in what it says are dogs are some cats and a rabbit. The same thing happens in Flickr, but with Flickr I can remove the dog tag from those cat and rabbit photos. I can't see a way of doing that in Google Photos. In addition to that I can add other tags to those photos to further refine my groups.

The same can be done in GP. If you add notes to a photo, Google indexes those notes.
 

robgendreau

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It doesn't accept keywords, which was what I was referring to. Huge weakness.

And it doesn't accept your folder structure as you upload, if you do it from the desktop. I uploaded a ton of scans, and it was very cool...until I tried to make albums. Because the scanned photos have false dates (of scanning, not of image) it's impossible to find them.

I have to say my initial enthusiasm was badly misplaced. Especially since the uploader or my photos online is broken; it won't accept any more uploads and the uploader reports everything has been uploaded, and that isn't the case. And Google has no tech support at all.

So although it's fun to play with, I must say I completely blew it when I recommended it earlier. It's pretty close to a complete fail for me now. So I'll stick with Flickr and file this in my Google Wave, Buzz, + etc shoebox.
 
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Paco II

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When you refer to keywords, what do you mean? You can add a keyword to the notes of a photo.

It doesn't accept keywords, which was what I was referring to. Huge weakness.

And it doesn't accept your folder structure as you upload, if you do it from the desktop. I uploaded a ton of scans, and it was very cool...until I tried to make albums. Because the scanned photos have false dates (of scanning, not of image) it's impossible to find them.

I have to say my initial enthusiasm was badly misplaced. Especially since the uploader or my photos online is broken; it won't accept any more uploads and the uploader reports everything has been uploaded, and that isn't the case. And Google has no tech support at all.

So although it's fun to play with, I must say I completely blew it when I recommended it earlier. It's pretty close to a complete fail for me now. So I'll stick with Flickr and file this in my Google Wave, Buzz, + etc shoebox.
 

FredT2

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When you refer to keywords, what do you mean? You can add a keyword to the notes of a photo.
For me, keywords are separate pieces of information as I define them in Lightroom. It might be a person's name, a type of bird, or anything that I want to specify about a photo. They are in addition to other types of metadata such as location, title, or caption. So for example when I upload to Flickr from Lightroom, I have separate fields for the title of the photo, a caption, and sometimes a comment. Then under tags there will be any keyword and location information that I included. All I see in Google Photos is what's in the caption field. All of the metadata is there, but if there's a way to access it I can't figure it out. And Google Photos is not using it, as it is doesn't return any searches on it (other than caption).
 

Paco II

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Google Photos does not have a dedicated 'tags' section. But if you add a note to a photo, it will get indexed. For example, I added a name to a number of photos. I can search for that name and those photos will show in the results.

For me, keywords are separate pieces of information as I define them in Lightroom. It might be a person's name, a type of bird, or anything that I want to specify about a photo. They are in addition to other types of metadata such as location, title, or caption. So for example when I upload to Flickr from Lightroom, I have separate fields for the title of the photo, a caption, and sometimes a comment. Then under tags there will be any keyword and location information that I included. All I see in Google Photos is what's in the caption field. All of the metadata is there, but if there's a way to access it I can't figure it out. And Google Photos is not using it, as it is doesn't return any searches on it (other than caption).
 

FredT2

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Google Photos does not have a dedicated 'tags' section. But if you add a note to a photo, it will get indexed. For example, I added a name to a number of photos. I can search for that name and those photos will show in the results.
Right. It has one place for everything, a very poor solution.
 
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robgendreau

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Google Photos does not have a dedicated 'tags' section. But if you add a note to a photo, it will get indexed. For example, I added a name to a number of photos. I can search for that name and those photos will show in the results.

Keywords are part of the IPTC schema, and are essential to those with very large photo collections, journalists, etc etc. They are a part of the image's metadata, and you should not, in a modern photo gallery, have to enter them separately after photos are uploaded. The whole point of exif/IPTC metadata is that it travels with the image without having to add that information later (if you even knew it) as "tags." The same is true for other metadata like caption, title, copyright, etc.

And in the world of image metadata there isn't such a thing as "note." AFAIK that's peculiar to Google. Picasa does have the info, so it's perplexing that Google Photos doesn't.
 
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v3rlon

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This. Everytime Google comes up, people start shouting "Privacy!" "They'll just mine your data!" "You're the product!"

But next time some of these anti-Google people shout these things, ask them this:

Show me where I can delete my Apple ID account for good...

Show me a dashboard to where I can see what information Apple has on me - and choose to delete it...

Because you see, I can go to my Google settings account right now and delete it at will. I can go to my Google dashboard and see what info each app has and clear out any history in that app anytime. You can't do that with Apple. There's absolutely NO WAY TO DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT WITH APPLE.

If I want a new clean Apple account I just have to accept the old one will be there forever?

So please tell me about Privacy again? What is Apple hiding? Apple talks a good game about privacy, yet is not transparent about what they have.


Yes, you can delete where GoogleUSA has info on you, but what about GoogleNetherlands? Of course, deleting it does no good after it has been sold to a third party that doesn't face the public. That is why limited data retention by government agencies is a joke. The state only keeps records of License Plate Readers for 30 days.
Publicdata.com has a running freedom of information request, and then stores the information offshore where you can buy it for $59.95.

Go to your google dashboard right now. Is it at least 700 pages long? If not, you can't see what google has on you. That is more than a Game of Thrones novel, and it is all about you.
 

Paco II

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I'm guessing you're not a fan of any Google products.

Yes, you can delete where GoogleUSA has info on you, but what about GoogleNetherlands? Of course, deleting it does no good after it has been sold to a third party that doesn't face the public. That is why limited data retention by government agencies is a joke. The state only keeps records of License Plate Readers for 30 days.
Publicdata.com has a running freedom of information request, and then stores the information offshore where you can buy it for $59.95.

Go to your google dashboard right now. Is it at least 700 pages long? If not, you can't see what google has on you. That is more than a Game of Thrones novel, and it is all about you.
 

Razeus

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Yes, you can delete where GoogleUSA has info on you, but what about GoogleNetherlands? Of course, deleting it does no good after it has been sold to a third party that doesn't face the public. That is why limited data retention by government agencies is a joke. The state only keeps records of License Plate Readers for 30 days.
Publicdata.com has a running freedom of information request, and then stores the information offshore where you can buy it for $59.95.

Go to your google dashboard right now. Is it at least 700 pages long? If not, you can't see what google has on you. That is more than a Game of Thrones novel, and it is all about you.

Sigh...anther soul who doens't even understand what they are talking about. Google DOES NOT sell your data to 3rd parties.

But again, you avoided the question: Why can't I log into Apple.com and simply delete my account, as easily as I can do this with Google?
 

robgendreau

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Sigh...anther soul who doens't even understand what they are talking about. Google DOES NOT sell your data to 3rd parties.

But again, you avoided the question: Why can't I log into Apple.com and simply delete my account, as easily as I can do this with Google?

Heck, I've been trying for years to MERGE my existing info and can't do that. Got even worse when it was revealed how easy it was to con Apple techs to get access to accounts. Apple isn't exactly fond of telling us what it's up to.

I just want control and transparency. I'm willing to give away tons of info and don't care much about targeted ads, etc. But that's because I store stuff that does need to be confidential (I'm a lawyer, so that's kinda essential) outside the US in paid accounts.
 

Razeus

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Heck, I've been trying for years to MERGE my existing info and can't do that. Got even worse when it was revealed how easy it was to con Apple techs to get access to accounts. Apple isn't exactly fond of telling us what it's up to.

I just want control and transparency. I'm willing to give away tons of info and don't care much about targeted ads, etc. But that's because I store stuff that does need to be confidential (I'm a lawyer, so that's kinda essential) outside the US in paid accounts.

That's basically what I'm saying. Apple talks a good game about privacy, but I can't delete my account or see what they are storing on me. There must be a reason why you can't delete an account or merge ID's.
 

Madmic23

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I like how Google Photos automatically makes short movies for you out of your videos and pictures, complete with music. Whenever I have a big event or family function, I always look forward to the video that Google will put together for me.
The stories are also pretty cool. It's basically like a guided photo album, but it's neat how it shows your location for trips and things like that.
 
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