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slitherjef

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Honestly, the iPhone 11 Pro/Pro Max are fantastic devices this year. They're definitely the ultimate expression on the iPhone X paradigm. It's not super exciting, but they're a home run.

Too bad I'm not into Apple... But yes, I do agree they seem to have stepped up their game a bit at least in the photo department :) and video seems to be taken more seriously by apple. I mean why the heck do I need to sign up for Adobe to just edit my lame video clips? other than that, I don't follow much Apple.

The biggest issue is oversaturation in the market and manufacturer complacency IMHO. That and I got too many phones (probably) and use them pretty basically...

And rooting is probably going to the wayside because it's a pita.
 

AustinIllini

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Oct 20, 2011
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Too bad I'm not into Apple... But yes, I do agree they seem to have stepped up their game a bit at least in the photo department :) and video seems to be taken more seriously by apple. I mean why the heck do I need to sign up for Adobe to just edit my lame video clips? other than that, I don't follow much Apple.
Apple is probably in the most mature stage of the iPhone X generation. I expect the next gen to be a lot different but have a whole new set of problems.
 

michael9891

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Someone remind me what was the 3XL battery like compared to the 2XL?

Not sure how long I could own a phone without banking app access. It's a pain to keep putting in certain digits and one of my main accounts can't be accessed via a Web page without a card reader.
 

co.ag.2005

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Jun 17, 2009
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Someone remind me what was the 3XL battery like compared to the 2XL?

Not sure how long I could own a phone without banking app access. It's a pain to keep putting in certain digits and one of my main accounts can't be accessed via a Web page without a card reader.

not sure about battery life but I do use LastPass to manage all my passwords... and I think I saw that LastPass was already (or soon will be?) supporting face id on the pixel 4. So I think it'd be quick to just open the banking app, let lastpass fill the username/password, and then click login. Definitely not as quick as having the banking app support it but it should be easier than having to type our your password everytime.
 
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Lava Lamp Freak

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Wow. I haven’t preordered but that would be a sure fire dealbreaker for me. I use biometrics for my password manager dozens of times a day alone. And historically, devs always seem to take longer to update this type of functionality on Android vs. iOS. Some of my banking apps took a year or two longer to add FP scanning authentication on their Android apps.

I think I’m just going to hold onto my Pixel 3XL for the foreseeable future.

Google is requiring all app updates to use the latest API as of November 1st, so it's just a matter of time until apps get updated over the next few months. Still, though, it's frustrating that they didn't push for this update prior to the release of a device that has no other option for biometric security.
 

michael9891

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not sure about battery life but I do use LastPass to manage all my passwords... and I think I saw that LastPass was already (or soon will be?) supporting face id on the pixel 4. So I think it'd be quick to just open the banking app, let lastpass fill the username/password, and then click login. Definitely not as quick as having the banking app support it but it should be easier than having to type our your password everytime.
The Samsung browser remembers my ID and password, but I still need to select 3 digits of another password from a drop down menu. No password manager can get around this.
 

Lobwedgephil

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Apr 7, 2012
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Despite all of the bad, and there seems to be a bit more of it this year, I am still excited to try it out for sure. I liked the Verge review of the phone, and the XL should be fine making it through a full day. Can't wait to try to 90hz "smooth" display on a pixel phone, expect that to be pretty great. Camera looks great except for video.
 
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Aneres11

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Watching some reviews, it would seem like Google still takes the night mode crown, with it beating out the iPhone 11 and Note 10.

Day time shots though, seem to be about even.

Just a shame that video isn’t quite up to scratch.
 

Awesomesince86

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Watching some reviews, it would seem like Google still takes the night mode crown, with it beating out the iPhone 11 and Note 10.

Day time shots though, seem to be about even.

Just a shame that video isn’t quite up to scratch.
Yeah the video is not just lacking, it’s downright bad. Lack of 4k60fps aside, the mic isn’t good and stabilization seems lacking as well. Just not even close to the iPhone or Note in this regard.
 

jamezr

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Aug 7, 2011
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GOOGLE PIXEL 4 AND 4 XL REVIEW: MORE THAN THE SUM OF ITS SENSORS


"The Pixel 4 and Pixel 4 XL are the best argument that specs don’t tell you everything you need to know about a phone — because the experience of using a Pixel 4 is better than any other Android phone.'



 

Tig Bitties

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Sep 6, 2012
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GOOGLE PIXEL 4 AND 4 XL REVIEW: MORE THAN THE SUM OF ITS SENSORS


"The Pixel 4 and Pixel 4 XL are the best argument that specs don’t tell you everything you need to know about a phone — because the experience of using a Pixel 4 is better than any other Android phone.'




I agree there's some special sauce Google on just make them enjoyable to use. Yes I'm upset the battery life sucks at least a 4XL is decent okay battery life but it shouldn't could be better.

But the point is pixel phones are just fun to use and have a uniqueness to them that's hard to describe unless you've used them convert to other phones.

Samsung definitely has the better hardware no question but I just can't get comfortable or find them not as endurable to use as a pixel.

iPhone 11 pro Max no question absolutely the best phone probably this year. But I'm no iOS fan so I would get zero enjoyment out of that great phone.
 

AustinIllini

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Oct 20, 2011
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Alex Dobie with a good summary

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co.ag.2005

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Same here. Are you saying that Last Pass will get around banking apps not being Face ID approved?

what I'm saying is that with the password autofill service (via Settings ->Languages & Input -> Autofill service), you should be able to autofill your banking app login details (or any app, not just banking) with Google or LastPass or 1Password which will need to scan your face to provide access to your username/password (LastPass is supposed to be supported soon, 1Password is now).

I'm not sure if I'm explaining this well and it's not really a "get around". It's just autofilling the login details from LastPass (or 1Password, etc.) which is supposed to use the face unlock to authenticate the app and thus autofill your username/password. This works now on current pixels and using your fingerprint.

Hopefully we'll get to the point where all you have to do is open your banking app (or any other app that needs to be secure with login information), the phone scans your face, and you are already logged in. That's how it works on my banking app on my iPhone 11 Pro. I open the app, the FaceID icon pops up, it scans my face, and takes me directly into the app without me having to touch the phone or do anything else.
 
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tonybarnaby

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What is Google's reasoning for the small battery sizes? Have they ever even talked about it? Seems kind of backwards where the only way to get good battery life is to buy their A series phone. Samsung has a bunch of monster sized mid-range phones, but they also stepped it up with the 9 and especially 10 series. Apple seriously stepped it up. Most likely the reasoning isn't cost, but rather wanting a thin phone. My work phone is a 5000mah Moto and it's pretty thick, but it was also $249 unlocked. There are a boatload of 4500-5000mah Android phones that can be had for less than the cost of a pixel 3a xl, so I don't think Google is being cheap, but it definitely makes zero sense. Apple provided the best battery life on their "budget" phone with the XR, only to flip the script and make customers pay for the top of the line model to have the best with the pro max. Nothing worse than battery anxiety, and nothing uses battery faster than extended camera usage. Not ideal.
 

Tig Bitties

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Sep 6, 2012
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@Tig Bitties Not to take this off track, what changes to iOS would you want/need before seriously considering an iPhone?


That's a long laundry list for me to put together, especially on the fly. But it's just overall how iOS operates differently than stock Android. Not that it sucks for others, seems most people actually prefer iOS, but I have been using stock Android phones since the Nexus-One days, I have become so accustomed on the feel, and way to use the phone, that iOS feels completely alien to me, and very difficult to get used to.

I was at Best Buy this weekend, just window shopping, I saw the iPhone 11 Pro Max, and played with it. First impressions were, WOW, super cool, beautiful display, I like the full screen almost bezel less display, and flipping through pages and opening and closing apps, so fast, so smooth. Just awesome. Very impressed for sure. But then after a couple minutes that coolness started to fade away, and my frustrations with iOS started pooping up, and after a few more minutes, I said F this stupid phone LOL. But I admit the 11 Pro Max is super cool, great smartphone, just not my cup of tea.

-Turn the phone on FaceID sees me, but I still have to swipe up to get to the home screen, With Android, it puts you right into the homescreen, even the fingerprint scanner. That swipe up is a little annoying and just adds more time to get to the home screen

-Using the phone, I swipe down to pull the notification shade down, but this is iOS it's not there like Android, but instead some really stupid search menu thing pops up WTF? So swiping down anywhere on the homescreen, I get some very odd and strange search thing, what the heck is this, and why is it even there? I would never use that in a million years.

-Moving app icons anywhere on the homescreen. Holy cow, for the love of God, it is 2019, and you cannot move you favorite app icons to the bottom, just above the dock for easier use? That's unbelievable.

-Default apps. I want to set which apps I want as default, not what Apple forces me to keep default.

-Phone app. Has Apple ever actually used their own phone app in the last ten years? LOL. It feels stuck in like the year 2008. No T9 dialer yet? Really? And if your in an app, like typing a message, or surfing the web, and an incoming phone call comes in, the phone hijacks the entire screen, kicking you out of what you were in. Come on Apple, really? It should come in as a Heads Up / Banner, with options to Accept or Decline.

-Widgets, I would like the option to maybe set some widgets on my homescreen, not just have them all on the left screen only.


If I had more time, I could go on and on, with how frutrating I find iOS to be in certain ways. Like it sometimes feels as if Apple compeltely forgoet about certain apps for years, and elft them untouched for a decade. But it has gotten better, seems every few years they make strides to improve it, like every 3 to 4 years there's much needed improvements. I'm thinking I'll like the iPhone 14.
 

AustinIllini

macrumors G5
Original poster
Oct 20, 2011
12,699
10,567
Austin, TX
What is Google's reasoning for the small battery sizes? Have they ever even talked about it? Seems kind of backwards where the only way to get good battery life is to buy their A series phone. Samsung has a bunch of monster sized mid-range phones, but they also stepped it up with the 9 and especially 10 series. Apple seriously stepped it up. Most likely the reasoning isn't cost, but rather wanting a thin phone. My work phone is a 5000mah Moto and it's pretty thick, but it was also $249 unlocked. There are a boatload of 4500-5000mah Android phones that can be had for less than the cost of a pixel 3a xl, so I don't think Google is being cheap, but it definitely makes zero sense. Apple provided the best battery life on their "budget" phone with the XR, only to flip the script and make customers pay for the top of the line model to have the best with the pro max. Nothing worse than battery anxiety, and nothing uses battery faster than extended camera usage. Not ideal.
I'm convinced Google believes it's the Android Apple from a hardware standpoint. They honestly must think Pixel Android is good enough they don't need a fast processor or big battery. The difference is Android on Pixel isn't as efficient as iOS on iPhone. At least Pixel 4 got the RAM
 
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