Okay, but my point is that Opera can do with without YouTube Red, so Safari could, too, if Apple wanted it to.
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Okay, but my point is that Opera can do with without YouTube Red, so Safari could, too, if Apple wanted it to.
Like you, I can only guess, but it’s the same question I had about Plus until the recent security related shutdown. It never really gained popularity despite attempts, yet hung around relentlessly.
Some of their products get the attention (Then later lack of) as a new puppy or toy, while others that seem forgotten are just left to rot.
My point is not to rag on google. I love the company, and many of their products. Their offerings on the Apple side are appreciated, I just (personally) feel they could do a better job on their iOS apps.
It works on whatever version is served by default to 9.7 and 10.5 iPads at least. You don’t need to Request Desktop Site. Fullscreen is often blocked on embedded YouTube videos though, so for them you have to open them in the YouTube site and fullscreen them there to get full control.
I agree about their iOS apps. They should do better. Their users deserve better.
Odd this is the first time someone has claimed Google apps are worse on iOS. We usually see the opposite where claims are made that Google apps are better on iOS than Android.
How much of it is it due to Apple's restrictions rather than intentional or unintentional? We know for a fact that in some cases Apple's restrictions are the cause for worse user experience on iOS such as background execution limits, no support for YouTube VP9 codec, restrictions on 3rd party browsers, etc.
https://www.howtogeek.com/184283/wh...ays-be-inferior-to-safari-on-iphone-and-ipad/
Are the remaining issues intentional or unintentional? You would think that if it's intentional they could just drop support altogether like they're doing with Windows phone. Even then it can be argued that Google has supported Windows phone longer than Microsoft.
https://mspoweruser.com/disaster-as-the-last-google-app-on-windows-phone-stops-working/
Obviously, to Google Android is their primary focus. Are Google intentionally making the user experience on other platforms worse to migrate users over? Or, is it unintentional such as from resource availability and challenges such as acquiring and retaining iOS developers? Why would a talented iOS developer stay as a 2nd class citizen at Google where iOS isn't the primary focus when they can get more money and respect bringing their experience to Apple or other more iOS focused companies? Not an excuse but I remember Apple Music app was worse on Android than iOS.
If it's really a concern, suggest a front page article and interview former or current iOS developers at Google since they probably have the best insight into the issue. Only thing is the article might get backlash here from mentioning Google apps are worse on iOS than Android.
How much of it is it due to Apple's restrictions rather than intentional or unintentional? We know for a fact that in some cases Apple's restrictions are the cause for worse user experience on iOS such as background execution limits, no support for YouTube VP9 codec, restrictions on 3rd party browsers, etc.
https://www.howtogeek.com/184283/wh...ays-be-inferior-to-safari-on-iphone-and-ipad/
Are the remaining issues intentional or unintentional? You would think that if it's intentional they could just drop support altogether like they're doing with Windows phone. Even then it can be argued that Google has supported Windows phone longer than Microsoft.
https://mspoweruser.com/disaster-as-the-last-google-app-on-windows-phone-stops-working/
Obviously, to Google Android is their primary focus. Are Google intentionally making the user experience on other platforms worse to migrate users over? Or, is it unintentional such as from resource availability and challenges such as acquiring and retaining iOS developers? Why would a talented iOS developer stay as a 2nd class citizen at Google where iOS isn't the primary focus when they can get more money and respect bringing their experience to Apple or other more iOS focused companies? Not an excuse but I remember Apple Music app was worse on Android than iOS.
If it's really a concern, suggest a front page article and interview former or current iOS developers at Google since they probably have the best insight into the issue. Only thing is the article might get backlash here from mentioning Google apps are worse on iOS than Android.
I suppose I should be clear that I'm talking about Opera on iOS, which worked last I checked (though I only just updated to iOS 12, so fingers crossed).
It doesn't surprise me much that background playback doesn't work on Google's Android since they control the whole ordeal.
At the end of the day, the OS could support background apps, just how it does on the desktop. I'd like to see Apple make an effort to put the user experience as top priority.
EDIT: Can confirm, still works on 12.1. Start playing the video in Opera, leave the app, which pauses it. Press play in Control Center to resume the audio in the background.
You can run cocurrent yt in multi window. The workaround you needed on iOS is a moot point on Android.
https://share.icloud.com/photos/0Huf-bDhc8pKx0bZCxtuPIVfQ
Weird. Because as soon as I hit play, the video kind of drops off. Are you sure you don’t have Red or something?
I installed the Opera browser from the store. I even put a link to a screen recording with it on iOS.
You're using 'Opera Touch' (which is the first I've heard of it). It was just 'Opera' but now shows as 'Opera Mini' on mine.
Also, I'm not sure whether or not the screen capture would have an effect, seeing as iOS only likes to have one audio source going on at a time.
It also has nice options for reducing data usage, something that Safari/iOS just plows through like there's no limit.
Consider it not able to be searched for if it’s not Opera Touch.
And no, the screen recording didn’t do that. It was the same without it. I just figured I’d show you.
Weird, for me it's the first app that shows up (that isn't an advert) in the App store:
I mean, I know the App Store is a pile of garbage these days, but odd that it'd be so different.
Weird, for me it's the first app that shows up (that isn't an advert) in the App store:
I mean, I know the App Store is a pile of garbage these days, but odd that it'd be so different.
Must have something to do with the X versus the 8.
Either way, background YouTube audio is doable with Opera Mini, so Safari could if Apple wanted to.
Of course, Google just payed Apple billions in a deal so I suspect they won't be going out of their way to make the user experience better at Google's expense.
I believe Opera Mini to be the exception since you’re requesting the webpages from Opera servers...
No because it still works even when you turn that feature off.
It's the app that permits you to do it.
They must be doing something then, if they’re the only ones that can do it out of any ones I’ve tried.
Proof of concept is all that's needed. If Opera can do it, they all could. I understand Google making their own apps the way they do, but it's interesting that Apple changed Safari to no longer support it.
Mind you, even just tapping on 'Add to Favorites' will cause the entire video to rebuffer. It's so dismal.
Except I don’t believe it’s a case of a change on Apple’s side. It went from working to not working on the same browser version of mobile Safari.
Well Apple could fix it, which is the point I made with my OP.
I don't know why consumers settle for getting shafted by these companies. Seems that's why they're pushing these completely locked-down operating systems that give the user no control.
We've been able to play videos in the background for several decades without a problem, and suddenly it's a problem again with these 'mobile' OS. Why would Safari need to force pause/stop the video and not let it play in the background?