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OS X GRID coming soon to OS X...

edddeduck said:
Just thought I would point out GRID is released under our LEGENDS brand which is specifically for older games that never got ported to the Mac the first time round.

They require lower specification than more modern games and come at a lower price tag. Also in this case the Mac version comes with all the DLC packs, the Windows version never got any of the DLC packs so that's a bonus if you owned the PC version.

Edwin
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I just bought a copy. I love racing games and I appreciate the chance to be able to properly be able to play this on the Mac natively on my mid 2010 MBP (13-inch).

Any chance you can do this for Test Drive Unlimited (first one) as well? I would love that to be native to OSX.
 
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thx Edwin,

got a mail from feral:

"...Please note that online play using Apple's Game Center is only available with the version of the game through the App Store; this is the case for any game in order to be able to list the game using Apple's service."

i am using the app store version ... are you facing the same problems here as you described with gameranger...

cause i am also not able to play online over game center...

??

greetz
 
syrinxx said:
thx Edwin,

got a mail from feral:

"...Please note that online play using Apple's Game Center is only available with the version of the game through the App Store; this is the case for any game in order to be able to list the game using Apple's service."

i am using the app store version ... are you facing the same problems here as you described with gameranger...

cause i am also not able to play online over game center...

??

greetz
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Don't know why you got told that sorry! All versions of the game use GameRanger their is no Game Center support in GRID.

As GameRanger have not activated the plugin yet you can't go online at this time. However the plugin should be made live very soon.

The FAQ should have more details if not send me a PM.

Edwin
 
I appreciate the work Feral have done on "Porting" GRID over to the Mac, and I was sorely tempted to buy it but then I went and checked out GreenmanGaming, and to buy it for Windows Bootcamp partition for my Mac, via Steam download, it was £2.72 (£3.99 retail plus freely available 20% discount code (GMG20-FDSCL-AQQXD) advertised on their front page).

It's a shame but £17.49 for Mac compared to £2.72 for the Windows version, the price difference is far to great to make this worth while. Unfortunately, in the long run, it's better value to Bootcamp your Mac with Windows and the saving in the cost of games very quickly pays dividends. Also, in my experience, possibly with the exception of Feral games, most games are far more optimised for a Windows OS.
 
spcdust said:
I appreciate the work Feral have done on "Porting" GRID over to the Mac, and I was sorely tempted to buy it but then I....
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Just an FYI but the PC version does not have any DLC unlike the Mac version. I would say comparing game price of a game in the first week of release to a version that has been out for a while is perhaps not the best example unless you are trying to get the biggest price gap. :)

For new Mac games like Deus Ex when it was released the Mac was actually cheaper than steam and might still be!

What I am saying is price is not always this huge difference, sure a new release will cost more than a game that has already recouped its costs but that aside pricing on the Mac ain't as bad as some make out.

Edwin
 
spcdust said:
I appreciate the work Feral have done on "Porting" GRID over to the Mac, and I was sorely tempted to buy it but then I went and checked out GreenmanGaming, and to buy it for Windows Bootcamp partition for my Mac, via Steam download, it was £2.72 (£3.99 retail plus freely available 20% discount code (GMG20-FDSCL-AQQXD) advertised on their front page).

It's a shame but £17.49 for Mac compared to £2.72 for the Windows version, the price difference is far to great to make this worth while. Unfortunately, in the long run, it's better value to Bootcamp your Mac with Windows and the saving in the cost of games very quickly pays dividends. Also, in my experience, possibly with the exception of Feral games, most games are far more optimised for a Windows OS.
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Couldn't disagree with you more. Your logic works only if you care about a few pounds in your pocket compared to the bigger picture of supporting the future of gaming on the Mac.
Apart from that, gaming via Bootcamp is a major pain. You can't access all your other apps, and can't jump in and out of the game to do some other work, etc.
On the odd occasion that I do need Windows, I use Parallels which on my iMac handles most games well. In those I include demanding games like F1 2012 (pre-Feral Mac release), Mafia and The Witcher 2.
Support Feral, Aspyr, and a few others, and maybe Mac gaming will continue on its upward trajectory.
 
imacken said:
Couldn't disagree with you more. Your logic works only if you care about a few pounds in your pocket compared to the bigger picture of supporting the future of gaming on the Mac.
Apart from that, gaming via Bootcamp is a major pain. You can't access all your other apps, and can't jump in and out of the game to do some other work, etc.
On the odd occasion that I do need Windows, I use Parallels which on my iMac handles most games well. In those I include demanding games like F1 2012 (pre-Feral Mac release), Mafia and The Witcher 2.
Support Feral, Aspyr, and a few others, and maybe Mac gaming will continue on its upward trajectory.
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It's not just a few quid though is it? I would support Mac gaming but GRID is a five year old game which, unfortunately has arrived rather late and is therefore overpriced. I may feel more supportive if the price differential was not so great. My logic is not just based on price, the vast majority of games just run better on Windows, Witcher 2 is a fine example of this. I agree that gaming natively on the OSX side would be a little more convenient but ultimately the overall gaming experience, vast choice and prices offered in Windows makes the decision a non brainer. Ultimately OSX is always likely to play second fiddle to Windows however much we support it.
 
spcdust said:
It's not just a few quid though is it? I would support Mac gaming but GRID is a five year old game which, unfortunately has arrived rather late and is therefore overpriced. I may feel more supportive if the price differential was not so great. My logic is not just based on price, the vast majority of games just run better on Windows, Witcher 2 is a fine example of this. I agree that gaming natively on the OSX side would be a little more convenient but ultimately the overall gaming experience, vast choice and prices offered in Windows makes the decision a non brainer. Ultimately OSX is always likely to play second fiddle to Windows however much we support it.
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Well, I disagree. Gaming on the Mac may always play 2nd fiddle to Windows simply because of market share, but that is no reason not to support the companies that are doing a great job.
It is not really my experience that games 'run better on Windows'. People say that, but I don't see that on my iMac. It simply depends on your hardware specs.
The Witcher 2 (Mac version) runs perfectly for me, and it ran no better when I was using the Windows version on Bootcamp. Same with F1 2012 and Deus Ex.
I was a Windows user for many years, and miss games coming through quickly to the Mac, but, I just can't be bothered booting into Bootcamp any more, and I don't mind paying more to get the Mac version a bit later.
 
edddeduck said:
Just an FYI but the PC version does not have any DLC unlike the Mac version. I would say comparing game price of a game in the first week of release to a version that has been out for a while is perhaps not the best example unless you are trying to get the biggest price gap. :)

For new Mac games like Deus Ex when it was released the Mac was actually cheaper than steam and might still be!

What I am saying is price is not always this huge difference, sure a new release will cost more than a game that has already recouped its costs but that aside pricing on the Mac ain't as bad as some make out.

Edwin
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You point of comparing the price of the OSX version on week 1 of release to the Windows is fair enough, however the price disparity between Mac and Windows and the slow porting of games to OSX is some what frustrating.
 
Edwin, I have a problem with GRID.
Every time I start the game, the wheel settings are lost! This means resetting them EVERY time which is a major pain.
I've emailed Gerard, but thought I'd mention to here to you.
As you may recall, I have a similar problem with F! 2012, when the settings are lost each time I restarted my Mac. Fortunately, I hardly ever do that, so it wasn't such a big issue as this is.
Any suggestions?
 
imacken said:
Edwin, I have a problem with GRID.
Every time I start the game, the wheel settings are lost! This means resetting them EVERY time which is a major pain.
I've emailed Gerard, but thought I'd mention to here to you.
As you may recall, I have a similar problem with F! 2012, when the settings are lost each time I restarted my Mac. Fortunately, I hardly ever do that, so it wasn't such a big issue as this is.
Any suggestions?
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You want to get the optimized Windows version ;););););)
(sorry, just to tempting to resist, accept my response as a good natured joke)

To be honest setting up the initial user profile was some what confusing and took some effort on the Windows version - rather unclear / illogical terminology used by Codemaster, had to do a rather convoluted work around to get it to work.
 
spcdust said:
It's not just a few quid though is it? I would support Mac gaming but GRID is a five year old game which, unfortunately has arrived rather late and is therefore overpriced. I may feel more supportive if the price differential was not so great. My logic is not just based on price, the vast majority of games just run better on Windows, Witcher 2 is a fine example of this. I agree that gaming natively on the OSX side would be a little more convenient but ultimately the overall gaming experience, vast choice and prices offered in Windows makes the decision a non brainer. Ultimately OSX is always likely to play second fiddle to Windows however much we support it.
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As for the market share argument, it's really just an excuse. PC gaming is miniscule compared to console gaming. Hell, it's miniscule compared to iOS gaming. Does that dissuade PC gamers from enjoying gaming on their Windows machines? I'd wager not.

If you want gaming on the Mac OS to get better, you must support it with your dollars when it's not ideal.

Certainly communicate your concerns with Feral, Apple, nVidia, whomever in an adult fashion, but we have to support the platform we love. Not buying a game because it's 5 years old and less expensive on other platforms is no reason not to buy, if it's a type of game you would normally try out or be into.
 
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imacken said:
Edwin, I have a problem with GRID.
Every time I start the game, the wheel settings are lost! This means resetting them EVERY time which is a major pain.
I've emailed Gerard, but thought I'd mention to here to you.
As you may recall, I have a similar problem with F! 2012, when the settings are lost each time I restarted my Mac. Fortunately, I hardly ever do that, so it wasn't such a big issue as this is.
Any suggestions?
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With F1 2012 and GRID you are the only person for the preferences for the wheel not being saved. Using your preferences you sent us via support (with an identical wheel) it works fine at Feral so we have asked for exact details for your rare and unique issue.
 
edddeduck said:
With F1 2012 and GRID you are the only person for the preferences for the wheel not being saved. Using your preferences you sent us via support (with an identical wheel) it works fine at Feral so we have asked for exact details for your rare and unique issue.
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Edwin, not really sure what you are saying in that reply.
My issue is not unique, someone else in a thread here reported the same issue with F1 2012 losing all wheel settings every time they started the game.
My F1 and GRID issues are not the same. F1 retains the wheel settings except when I restart my Mac. GRID doesn't retain them at all.
What do you mean when you say 'so we have asked for exact details'?
 
spcdust said:
You want to get the optimized Windows version ;););););)
(sorry, just to tempting to resist, accept my response as a good natured joke)

To be honest setting up the initial user profile was some what confusing and took some effort on the Windows version - rather unclear / illogical terminology used by Codemaster, had to do a rather convoluted work around to get it to work.
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The mac version has defaults for all the well known wheels with an optimised setup per wheel which we came to after testing all the wheels during Mac development. We also have a FAQ with reccomended settings.

Edwin

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imacken said:
Edwin, not really sure what you are saying in that reply.
My issue is not unique, someone else in a thread here reported the same issue with F1 2012 losing all wheel settings every time they started the game.
My F1 and GRID issues are not the same. F1 retains the wheel settings except when I restart my Mac. GRID doesn't retain them at all.
What do you mean when you say 'so we have asked for exact details'?
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The other person in the thread you refer to said he had everything working later on so his on longer is effected. Your settings work fine at Feral and their are hundreds if not thousands of players so your issue is pretty unique.

In fact with your preferences that you sent us with an identical mac with identical OS and identical wheel at Feral based on your details we cannot make the issue occur.

Our support team have been instructed for you to provide set by step very detailed information on what you are doing as we think it's something you are doing that is causing this.

We understand that you can't save settings but equally please understand solving a problem that cannot be recreated and has not been reported by others via support (bar one forum user) means it is rare. Rare issues can be solved but they are more complicated and take more time as they only effect perhaps one user in thousands.

Anyway this is best dealt with via support as we will need many details on what you a doing.

Edwin
 
That's fine Edwin. I await contact from support.
I am not 'doing' anything unusual. I load up GRID and the settings are not retained at all, and I load up F1 and the settings are retained UNLESS I have restarted my Mac since I last played the game.

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edddeduck said:
The other person in the thread you refer to said he had everything working later on so his on longer is effected.
Edwin
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As a point to note, he didn't say that at all. Maybe we are talking about different threads.
 
imacken said:
That's fine Edwin. I await contact from support.
I am not 'doing' anything unusual.
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I would beg to differ ;) as you're Mac is behaving very differently to most other users but no matter what you are doing we should stop side effects :) Our support are looking out for your email, once we work out what you are doing the quicker we can work out how to stop it from happening.

Cheers,

Edwin
 
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edddeduck said:
I would beg to differ ;) as you're Mac is behaving very differently to most other users but no matter what you are doing we should stop side effects :) Our support are looking out for your email, once we work out what you are doing the quicker we can work out how to stop it from happening.

Cheers,

Edwin
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I'm beginning to feel guilty about having this problem!
There was at least one other person who has reported this (and hasn't resolved it), and there are quite a few cases of a similar thing happening with the Windows version of F1 2012 (which I know is not relevant!).
Anyway, we are where we are - to quote that wonderful expression!
I'm not sure what email you are referring to. Is there something I have to send? I would love to see a resolution to this as I am really being put off playing GRID at the moment.
I also have suffered 2 crashes (if you'll excuse the pun!) and have sent the reports to Gerard.
I tried removing the Logitech FF kext, but that didn't change anything.
As I said, let me know what the email is that support are looking out for.
Thanks again.
 
imacken said:
I'm beginning to feel guilty about having this problem!
There was at least one other person who has reported this (and hasn't resolved it), and there are quite a few cases of a similar thing happening with the Windows version of F1 2012 (which I know is not relevant!).
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First don't, if you have a problem no matter how rare we will investigate for you. We can't promise a solution for everyone but we can promise we will always investigate and see what the cause is. We then evaluate the fix based on the severity of the issue, the number of people effected and the amount of development time it would take to fix it.

The fact that Windows has this issue points to this bug being a Windows bug that can sometimes happen on the Mac. It means the code is more likely a bug in the original game rather than our Mac specific Wheel support code.

Anyway we can deal with this via support and roll the fix out to all (if possible) :)

Edwin
 
edddeduck said:
Anyway we can deal with this via support and roll the fix out to all (if possible) :)

Edwin
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Thanks Edwin.
Still, I'm not clear what email your support guys are waiting on from me.
Also, what file holds the wheel settings? I thought it was 'Preferences data', but I'm not sure. I thought I would try making the file 'read-only' after I have made the wheel changes and see if that works.
 
imacken said:
Thanks Edwin.
Still, I'm not clear what email your support guys are waiting on from me.
Also, what file holds the wheel settings? I thought it was 'Preferences data', but I'm not sure. I thought I would try making the file 'read-only' after I have made the wheel changes and see if that works.
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Just answer the latest email, if you don't have one wait for one to arrive!

FYI no the settings are stored in multiple locations including your save file so I don't think that's the issue.

Edwin
 
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