Sequoia 15.0 Beta (24A5264n) runs great on MP 7,1. All Adobe 2024 apps work, new Compressor and Final Cut X 10.8, all messenger apps (Viber, WhatsApp, Telegram), latest MS Office, OmniGraffle, Firefox, Fork Lift 4.1.5,....up until now no issues with NVMe mounting. Didn't notice any bugs so far.
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MP 7,1 Guess when macOS will stop supporting 7,1
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Teams screen sharing is busted (for everyone). That’s a big nuisance to me (use it a lot for meetings) but expected on a beta.
I have the 6,1 Mac Pro on the same desk so use it for screen sharing where possible.
Agree the Adobe apps are fine.
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15.1b1 isn't supporting the 2019 Mac Pro at the moment:
I don't know what they changed for the MPXs but it was very unreliable for me (Kernel panics on start up) using W6800X Duos so I swapped them out to my other Mac Pro with Sonoma 14.5.
I had two different W6800X Duos and they both gave lots of kernel panics no matter what, but they run perfectly on Sonoma.
I don't know what they changed for the MPXs but it was very unreliable for me (Kernel panics on start up) using W6800X Duos so I swapped them out to my other Mac Pro with Sonoma 14.5.
I had two different W6800X Duos and they both gave lots of kernel panics no matter what, but they run perfectly on Sonoma.
Not entirely surprising, Navi 2 GPUs are only used in a single machine in Apple's lineup (the Pro 7,1 - and then only in a select few high end, late release configurations) and there's likely a single digit number of users worldwide running Sonoma beta on them.
I'm sure that will be fixed prior to release.
2027!
That’ll mean my MBP would also have support until then as well. Since both it and the 7,1 CPU’s are Skylake processors. Last Intel Club, or whatever the kids say.
Hopefully, whatever ends up as our last major macOS update. It gets some serious optimizations. Screw new features. Just one good comb-through of the code. Similar to how Catalina was their “optimization over new features”.
I doubt they will add new GPU support. With the M-Series Mac Pro having dropped GPU support. They’ll likely keep generic PCIe drivers somewhat current. They’ve had plenty of time to add RDNA3 support for the W/RT 7900s. I don’t know if they would somehow be required or expected to make an MPX variant if they add support for it. Even as a silent update. So maybe just avoiding the need for production by ignoring it.
Either way, I just hope that whatever is the last update. It isn’t a ****** one, plagued with bugs and other instabilities..
That’ll mean my MBP would also have support until then as well. Since both it and the 7,1 CPU’s are Skylake processors. Last Intel Club, or whatever the kids say.
Hopefully, whatever ends up as our last major macOS update. It gets some serious optimizations. Screw new features. Just one good comb-through of the code. Similar to how Catalina was their “optimization over new features”.
I doubt they will add new GPU support. With the M-Series Mac Pro having dropped GPU support. They’ll likely keep generic PCIe drivers somewhat current. They’ve had plenty of time to add RDNA3 support for the W/RT 7900s. I don’t know if they would somehow be required or expected to make an MPX variant if they add support for it. Even as a silent update. So maybe just avoiding the need for production by ignoring it.
Either way, I just hope that whatever is the last update. It isn’t a ****** one, plagued with bugs and other instabilities..
I agree with your conclusions though i disagree with you as far as Catalina as a model. It should have been an optimization over Mojave but that was not my experience. Despite removing functionality and compatability, it somehow got bulkier.
Yeah, it introduced a bunch of new things like Music and Podcasts apps, killing off Tunes, and then for folks where it was the last OS supported version, they're left high and dry with bad version 1 apps replacing a mature iTunes.
Yes and also 32-bit/i386 support (the big one but granted also streamlined Rosetta2), Dashboard, and I believe further eroded subpixel antialiasing support. There may have been something else but those are the first to come to mind.
What I don't understand in particular is how the OS got so much bigger despite dropping an entire ABI.
I won't argue that Mojave was the apex of OS and nothing should have changed from there but Catalina was when I felt like the deal changed. It used to be 1 thing lost for 2 things gained while Catalina was like 2 things lost for 1 IOU.
Yep - the OS is bigger. I've got Windows on Boot Camp and am running out of space. A 2TB HD seems to be a must.
New evidence suggests that Intel support in macOS will continue until at least macOS 17 (2026) and I still bet through the release following (2027).
I noticed recently that Apple dropped a bunch of Mac Mini 2018 (Intel) models for sale into their Refurb store. While I wouldn't expect the long-term support for these to match brand new systems, it would seem then unlikely that Apple would immediately drop all Intel from the next macOS (presumably released ~ 9 months from now as version 16). That would be quite rude.
P.S.The pricing on this drop of refurb Mac Mini 2018 relative to the Mac Mini M2 is interesting. The former appear to have a 30% discount off their original 2018 prices versus the normal 15% discount for refurb store which puts the price of an i3/8GB/256GB exactly the same as an M2/16GB/256. The former has the advantage of upgradable RAM and 4 x Thunderbolt 3 ports (though only 2 buses) versus the base M2's 2 Thunderbolt 4 ports but otherwise the latter has all the advantages of a 4-5 year newer model...
I noticed recently that Apple dropped a bunch of Mac Mini 2018 (Intel) models for sale into their Refurb store. While I wouldn't expect the long-term support for these to match brand new systems, it would seem then unlikely that Apple would immediately drop all Intel from the next macOS (presumably released ~ 9 months from now as version 16). That would be quite rude.
P.S.The pricing on this drop of refurb Mac Mini 2018 relative to the Mac Mini M2 is interesting. The former appear to have a 30% discount off their original 2018 prices versus the normal 15% discount for refurb store which puts the price of an i3/8GB/256GB exactly the same as an M2/16GB/256. The former has the advantage of upgradable RAM and 4 x Thunderbolt 3 ports (though only 2 buses) versus the base M2's 2 Thunderbolt 4 ports but otherwise the latter has all the advantages of a 4-5 year newer model...
Being quite rude is pure Apple.
A veneer of niceness but squeeze the users who spent big dollars on high end machines when it comes to SSDs and GPUs. At least the RAM in our machines isn’t unobtainium.
Newest unsupported
2019 - MacOS10.15 - Late 2011 (everything) unsupported [8 years]
2020 - MacOS11 ----- Late 2013 (iMac) unsupported [7 years]
2021 - MacOS12 ----- Late 2014 (everything) unsupported [7 years]
2022 - MacOS13 ----- Late 2016 (everything) unsupported [6 years]
2023 - MacOS14 ----- Mid 2017 (everything) unsupported [~6 years]
2024 - MacOS15 ----- Mid 2019 (MacbookAir) unsupported [~5 years]
This disturbing trendline seems to point toward "2025 - MacOS16 - Mid 2020 (Intel) unsupported"
Maybe Apple internally justified dropping the MBA8,2 as really being the same model as the Late 2018 MBA8,1 despite the different marketing name and that 6 years is the earliest Apple is willing to drop support. Maybe there is a chance that 2020 Intel models (plus late 2019 models and the 2018 Mini) will still be supported. And maybe Apple will cut the RAM upgrade price to something less than $200/8GB. After seeing Apple make 16GB standard on everything down to the baseline M2 MBA I supposed it could happen.
As for Intel Support in MacOS17... zero percent.
2019 - MacOS10.15 - Late 2011 (everything) unsupported [8 years]
2020 - MacOS11 ----- Late 2013 (iMac) unsupported [7 years]
2021 - MacOS12 ----- Late 2014 (everything) unsupported [7 years]
2022 - MacOS13 ----- Late 2016 (everything) unsupported [6 years]
2023 - MacOS14 ----- Mid 2017 (everything) unsupported [~6 years]
2024 - MacOS15 ----- Mid 2019 (MacbookAir) unsupported [~5 years]
This disturbing trendline seems to point toward "2025 - MacOS16 - Mid 2020 (Intel) unsupported"
Maybe Apple internally justified dropping the MBA8,2 as really being the same model as the Late 2018 MBA8,1 despite the different marketing name and that 6 years is the earliest Apple is willing to drop support. Maybe there is a chance that 2020 Intel models (plus late 2019 models and the 2018 Mini) will still be supported. And maybe Apple will cut the RAM upgrade price to something less than $200/8GB. After seeing Apple make 16GB standard on everything down to the baseline M2 MBA I supposed it could happen.
As for Intel Support in MacOS17... zero percent.
Now that 2025 WWDC is around the corner, what are everyone's thoughts on this? Do you think macOS 16 will support Intel Mac Pro? If not, what are your plans? There was a rumor about M5 MacBook Pro planned for 2025 release, so I might jump back to the single laptop setup again.
I've always guessed that macOS 15 would be the last intel macOS so I'll stick with that guess, but it is obviously just a guess
I recently went from a 1400k rx6800 hackintosh (so similar if not more powerful than a 7,1) to an m4 MacBook Pro and I have to say I am pretty impressed
gpu gaming power is certainly lacking but other than it is certainly the best computer I have ever owned
got a thunderbolt dock to hook it up to my existing peripherals, a 4 bay hdd box and a thunderbolt nvme enclosure to repurpose my main drive from the tower and I couldn't be happier
It depends on the number of active Intel Macs compared to the number of Silicon Macs (just a personnal opinion)
Increasingly looks like MacPro7,1 will be supported with two more MacOS releases i.e. macOS 26 and macOS 27.
My rationale:
Not bad really. That was close to the most optimistic guess I did back in around 2021.
My rationale:
- iMac Pro (2017) was supported by eight releases of MacOS; plus two more years of security updates; for a total of 10 years
- iMac Pro (2017) was supported by four more releases of MacOS after the machine was discontinued
- M3 Ultra's GPU performance is on par with best single GPU available for MacPro7,1. M4 Ultra likely surpassed it substantially. But MacPro7,1 can have multiple GPUs, hence not surpassed in absolute term yet. The circumstance may change with M5 Ultra or M4 Extreme in the coming years.
Not bad really. That was close to the most optimistic guess I did back in around 2021.
Pretty much every guess for support has to be premised on the fact it was still a "new" "current" product in 2023.
That’s good for us folks who have a few of these machines. My two are running well.
