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Hands-On With the $1,700 'OnePlus Open' Foldable Smartphone

Lynxpoint said:
I have not seen the appeal of them myself, but from a different perspective I see the value. As a folding phone, no thanks - I want a small and light as possible. I want maximal portability. As a folding tablet however, it is intriguing. Its the 'about the size of an ipad mini' that catches me. I could see the value in folding an ipad in half for transport, after all, it it really that much different from folding a laptop up for transport?
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yes a folding tablet makes sense. my sessions on iPad almost always last longer than a few minutes. therefore the downsides of a folding mechanism is worth it for the benefit it provides.
 
eifelbube said:
37 individuals liked this comment so far even though „pointless“ and „stupid“ do not explain anything. That is disappointing. I prefer to read comments which provide insightful affirming or thought-out alternative views rather than unreflected gut reactions.
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this comment didn't provide anything insightful to me.
 
H.E. Pennypacker said:
How close minded can you be? I wonder how many people said phones without physical keyboards are stupid and pointless when the OG iPhone came out 🤔
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it was open when I used one. and I then I closed my mind to it after judging it.

it's not that hard to understand.
 
Aston441 said:
I think Microsoft was playing around with glass panels that slid into each other... or at least very close to each other, a few years ago. Looked nice...

let me google this for me...


holy fire of water it's currently being produced.
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Sadly, no. “Surface Duo 2 is currently not available.”
Not sure why they haven’t taken down the page yet.
It was an interesting device, but never got traction.
 
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tshrimp said:
I didn’t mention an under screen camera. But I don’t recall any other company other than Apple having anything matching the size of the notch or island, but I could be wrong here. It definitely isn’t typical in high end phones outside of the iPhone.
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Most companies only put a camera up there. Apple has the camera, a true tone sensor, the FaceID emitter and reader. There is a lot going on and putting it under the screen would be complicated and risks compromising those features. Whereas the dynamic island has minimal downsides.

rumors have apple working on reducing the size of the components to make the island smaller and moving some of them to under the screen. That takes time.
 
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tshrimp said:
I didn’t mention an under screen camera. But I don’t recall any other company other than Apple having anything matching the size of the notch or island, but I could be wrong here. It definitely isn’t typical in high end phones outside of the iPhone.
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Unlike other phones which can have a single hole-punch camera, the notch has to house the array of FaceID cameras and sensors.

Here is the original iPhone X notch.
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This shows the contents of the iPhone 13 Pro notch, Apple made it smaller by putting the speaker above the sensors, and the iPhone 14 Pro Dynamic Island.
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Abazigal said:
(It's late, I have to work tomorrow, and am turning in after this post, so forgive me if it doesn't turn out as coherent as I would like). 😛

That’s just part of it, the main things they do is create an eco-system around their products. Most companies are not patient, most like to push things out when it's not ready just to say they are first (and by definition, innovative). Apple’s approach most of the time is to keep things in the oven a bit longer, which some think is boring. As the saying goes, "Rome was not build in one day."

Look, I get your frustration. You think that Apple is deliberating holding back every year just so there is something in store for them to upsell their customers on for the following year. You think that Apple is deliberately gouging its customers with high prices while also drip-feeding them with a slow pace of incremental improvements to their products. You make it sound like we are prisoners trapped inside a walled garden, stuck with "inferior" hardware and incapable of leaving. I have heard variations of this argument ever since I became an Apple product user in 2011. Cnet. Engadget. Theverge. Macrumours. The list goes on.
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Trapped no, but Apple spends it’s time finding ways to make it harder to switch one unit out to something different. At least the EU is fighting Apple here and forces them to do better.

I started buying Apple products long ago because they were actually at the forefront and were pushing forward fast, as someone interested in tech it was exciting to buy the newest version of an Apple product. Not so anymore, I got bored of my 15 PM in a day because there weren’t much new things to be excited about and started looking at other alternatives instead. Upgrading to my 14 PM last year was the same thing, no excitement at all.

Maybe I have to go to a foldable Android to scratch my tech itch, because Apple isn’t doing that anymore. Would also eliminate the problem of my iPad Mini having a terrible screen that they seem intent on not updating to something better than can be found on a $150 tablet from Alibaba. The problem is integrating my iPad Pro to that since Apple makes sure it is hard to do so.

Abazigal said:
Maybe I can get better hardware elsewhere, but the whole point about Apple products is that the end experience is more than the sum of its parts. Maybe there's an android phone with a better camera, with better battery life, with a higher-res display, with some gimmick like a thermometer or the ability to double as a weighing scale. The point is that there really isn't this one mythical android smartphone that somehow amalgamates the advantages of every android handset out there, while somehow being immune to their collective drawbacks. Smartphones are a bundle of compromises. What I pay (and trust) Apple to do is find the best combination for me that simultaneously maximises the benefits while minimising the associated drawbacks.

The entire argument can therefore be summed up with one word - trust. I buy Apple gear because I trust Apple to make the right call in what to prioritise in their devices, and I feel this is one of the really important aspects of Apple that people really don't understand. That Apple really goes the distance in building a strong relationship of trust with their customers.
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The only thing you can trust a company to do is try to get as much money from you for as little as possible in return, that goes for all companies so it isn’t something Apple specific. They will use marketing to try to get you to think that what you get is actually worth more than it is though. They want to build a fake personal relationship with you because that will make you a more loyal customer, they aren’t your friend though.

Abazigal said:
It’s also said, and and somewhat hinted to by Apple, that they plan ten years in advance. It’s why they usually don’t bother to copy features from others if they don’t think they have staying power, but do come up with features that at first don’t seem to do too much, but over the years become part of a major ecosystem. I think if you look along this line, what Apple does (and chooses not to do) will also start to make more sense.
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Well that’s not how they used to operate, they used to come out with things that shocked the market and took risks in doing so. That’s why they were exciting, well made products that were adding new things to our usage. But it makes sense that it would have changed, they have been run by someone focusing their time on the money rather than the products for over a decade now.
 
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Tagbert said:
Most companies only put a camera up there. Apple has the camera, a true tone sensor, the FaceID emitter and reader. There is a lot going on and putting it under the screen would be complicated and risks compromising those features. Whereas the dynamic island has minimal downsides.

rumors have apple working on reducing the size of the components to make the island smaller and moving some of them to under the screen. That takes time.
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I hear you. I know it is personal preference, but I would forgo the notch/island and accept a slightly less effect FaceID and True Tone sensor. I know there are people who it truly doesn’t bother, but I am not one of them. Still rocking a 2016 MacBook Pro as I won’t buy anything newer until they get rid of it on their laptops.
 
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tshrimp said:
I hear you. I know it is personal preference, but I would forgo the notch/island and accept a slightly less effect FaceID and True Tone sensor. I know there are people who it truly doesn’t bother, but I am not one of them. Still rocking a 2016 MacBook Pro as I won’t buy anything newer until they get rid of it on their laptops.
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Its not going anywhere for a while, but you can easily hide it.
 
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dampfnudel said:
Years from now on MR (if we’re still all here):

marzbarz: I just got my new folding iPhone and I freaking love it. 😍

dampfnudel: Didn’t you say years ago that you promised to never buy a folding iPhone from Apple?

marzbarz: New phone, who dis?
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Pretty much. I remember when quite a few people here talked about how anything larger than 3.5" was too large for a phone, and then many of them bought the iPhone 5.

This is why you should just reserve judgment until you see and use it.
 
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tshrimp said:
I hear you. I know it is personal preference, but I would forgo the notch/island and accept a slightly less effect FaceID and True Tone sensor. I know there are people who it truly doesn’t bother, but I am not one of them. Still rocking a 2016 MacBook Pro as I won’t buy anything newer until they get rid of it on their laptops.
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You know, there are several free utilities that will make the menubar dark so you pretty much can’t see the notch on a Macbook. It would be a shame to have to be stuck with that old 2016 when the new machines are just so much better.
 
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