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Hard truths about the new modular Mac Pro
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I am the one of the ones to be 100% guaranteed to complain. I have only used Macs for all of my life. I met my first Mac 1985 at Dipoli Espoo Finland, it was a show to show off a Macintosh. I know, the Macintosh was originally introduced at 1984. I was a little bit late, wasn't I. A whole year late.
I have only used Macs since then. I love Macs. Should that fact change now? It's about time or is it not about the time?
ps. I've got a working SE/30, with ArchiCAD 1 software. Please see attachment with AC 5.1 software from 90's.
I have only used Macs since then. I love Macs. Should that fact change now? It's about time or is it not about the time?
ps. I've got a working SE/30, with ArchiCAD 1 software. Please see attachment with AC 5.1 software from 90's.
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Just for perspective, here's what Corsiar built, in a "mac-like" form factor and price, liquid cooled cpu and GPU, with the gpu (1080ti) as a user replaceable off-the-shelf component.
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/one
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/one
I own one of those Corsair One PCs, it's what I use for gaming. Sits right next to my nMP, which is my productivity machine. The Corsair One is not designed for easy GPU upgrades - it's designed for Corsair to easily update their lineup, which is what they did when they started shipping them with 1080TI GPUs. Those with the previous 1080 model have no upgrade path. Now, I'd be quite happy if Apple made something like the Corsair One - compact and silent and designed so that they can keep it current. I suspect most people here would not be. However, this is the sort of design that wouldn't unravel the brand, which is why I think it's the direction we'll see.
I seriously, seriously, seriously doubt that after all this, Apple will release yet another machine with non-upgradable parts. That’s sort of the whole point of them going back to the drawing board here.
From what I can gather, this new machine (I think "Pro" is the difference in the name) is not the same as the previous model - it IS designed for user-servicing of the GPU, whereas the last one was designed to be shipped back to corsair to be serviced for an upgrade, whether they offered the 1080 -> 1080ti path is a different story though.
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nice. reminds me of how long I kept infini-d 3.0 around running in classic / rosetta for some location models for a comic book.
I really want to buy this one with the 1080Ti option, however, never available in my city (not even online shop). End up I bought a 1080Ti and put that into my cMP, and I am very happy now. Its hardware 4k H265 10bit HDR encoding is 10-15x faster than my W3690 can do. Very impressive. And of course, I can now do better gaming on it as well. So, save me $2000 to buy a entire new machine.
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Going to have to have a chat with you about that, because I'm really thinking about pulling the trigger on a Vive, after being utterly gobsmacked by my experience with one on the weekend, and if I can keep the GPU in my mac, so it works with my existing mac based productivity software, rather than buying a dedicated gaming rig.
I am willing to bet that the next Mini, if released, will be even less upgradable than now. Blade SSD buried somewhere in the smaller, slimmer chassis.
heh, not much to tell, I've indy published a bunch of books in print, and on the iBooks store.
Going to have to have a chat with you about that, because I'm really thinking about pulling the trigger on a Vive, after being utterly gobsmacked by my experience with one on the weekend, and if I can keep the GPU in my mac, so it works with my existing mac based productivity software, rather than buying a dedicated gaming rig.
Sure, I am more than happy to disuss this matter with you.
Ah yeah. Me too am familiar with that software. I played with early versions of it, it must have been with an LC III at first, boy was it slow, and later with a Power Mac 8500/180, boy was it fast. I really liked infini-D back then.
One of the old 90's softawares I was amazed by was landscape modelling program Bryce. It was quite limited at least at first, but it introduced a really nice user interface. And it produced really nice renderings. It's not being developed anymore. But this is so Off Topic now, I'm sorry.
The PowerMac 8500 was a pain to update, but you could do it. You could update the RAM, you could add cards in to it (if you found any), you could add SCSI hard drives inside the case. It was called a Burr Puzzle, because it had to be demolished in pieces to upgrade RAM - but you could do it. I expect at least the same from modular Mac Pro.
I'd like them to build a new Cube. No, not a new version of the G4 Cube, this one...
Rather more roomy than the tube, would be plenty capable of taking some very serious hardware.
Can't innovate any more? Go back to the future.....
Rather more roomy than the tube, would be plenty capable of taking some very serious hardware.
Can't innovate any more? Go back to the future.....
Yup, Xeons & powerful GPUs will do thatAnd if you get cold it can warm you up
Yup, Xeons & powerful GPUs will do that
Exactly, this is what Ive cannot get through his thick bald head. The Xeon product line will always favor computing performance over thermal "performance". The assumption that future Xeon processors will always have lower thermal ratings is just plain wrong. The trash can design was a failure from its inception because its designers did not understand this. The Mac Pro product line cannot remain commercially viable if it needs a "clean sheet" redesign for every CPU/GPU generation, especially when CPUs and GPUs evolve independently (this is the essence of innovation). The trash can design was an coincidental anomaly in that the CPU and GPU combinations (of the day) fit in a "compatible" range - assuming this compatibility for future CPU/GPU combinations was a grave error for the 6.1. If Apple wants to limit its offerings to only lower thermal processors, then they have to choose a different processor line (that has compatible goals) - only then they can keep the trash can design.
But sadly, Ive (and his ego) are untouchable, so Apple will never learn.
TB was the real killer for apple to way to have a tower with full video cards. Unless you want to have a Voodoo loopback cable other pro workstations have that but that is not apple.
and with pci-e cards / e-sata / m.2 cards you don't need 3 TB buses.
The new system needs to real pci-e in modules (Not pci-e over TB no need for that overhead).
Video at least X8 per card
Storage X4 per card an X16 lane can be switched to 4 x4 cards.
Storage SATA from chipset (free IO) / at least 1 E-sata port (not all work loads need pci-e speeds or cost).
4TB HDD $120-$200 SSHD $300+ SSD SATA $1.5K PCI-E $5K+
How about a new Mac Mini she like box as the kvm connection to a modular - blade system Mac Pro?
I know Dell has or used to have rack mountable workstations.
I know Dell has or used to have rack mountable workstations.
Yes, they do.
If you want dual 28 core, 1.5 TiB rack systems - order online from Dell. If you want a dual-core mini-mac, go to apple.com.
I don’t care what mac pro it is...when it comes, i’m ready to unload my gift cards and cash and..... that’s the last time apple will they will hear it from me...............::........or not. Lesson learned...i seriously don’t why i bought the gift cards. Me and apple got unfinished business to settle.