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Allotriophagy

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All working fine on mine too, on the first go. Silly hardmac.com...

Parallels refuses to work though - just forces me to reboot. Sigh.
 

MacProGuy

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Allotriophagy said:
All working fine on mine too, on the first go. Silly hardmac.com...

Parallels refuses to work though - just forces me to reboot. Sigh.


Hmmmm you might want to try a fresh re-install of OS X with just the bare necessities, then add the latest release of Parallels FIRST...

If might be a software conflict? I'm running Parallels on my 24" with no issues whatsoever...

Then maybe add back in each piece of software one at a time to see if there is something conflicting with Parallels?
 

mrcammy

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Allotriophagy said:
All working fine on mine too, on the first go. Silly hardmac.com...

Parallels refuses to work though - just forces me to reboot. Sigh.

use the update release candidate (RC) version of parallels for the mac pro.
 

Allotriophagy

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MacProGuy said:
Then maybe add back in each piece of software one at a time to see if there is something conflicting with Parallels?

This isn't Windows or System 8... :rolleyes:

I'll try the RC - thanks for the suggestion!
 

Flyinace2000

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So i got a replacement iMac that is exactly the same config as my last one. EXCEPT this one will not display on the built in 24" screen. ANy ideas?
 

sweet160

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Will order one anyway !

Even though I am slightly concerned the bootcamp issues on the 24" I will order one with the 7600GT, hopefully it will run XP also. :cool:

Is it a widespread problem or just a few isolated cases?
 

Allotriophagy

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sweet160 said:
Even though I am slightly concerned the bootcamp issues on the 24" I will order one with the 7600GT, hopefully it will run XP also. :cool:

Is it a widespread problem or just a few isolated cases?

I dunno. It has worked just fine for me.
 

sokrates

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same thing for me, no problems whatsoever, installed win xp both via bootcamp 1.1.1 and parallels rc2 (older version crashed) , both work flawlessly, windows just feels like running on a pc (which it basically does :p )
 

topgunn

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Its a big no go on Boot Camp for me on my 24". All I get is the black screen instead of the blue install screen. I will try with an external monitor later.
 

rgbmaster

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also no go... external monitor shows everything fine, but the build-in... could it be a video driver for xp?

:(
 

topgunn

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Nope, not a video driver. It really can't be since others on here have it working. Also, I can get Windows XP installed using an external monitor which would also be using the video driver (be it the basic VGA driver used during the install or the actual nVidia driver after the install). Nothing I tried allowed me to get the internal display to work with any BIOS based OS.

On a side note, Apple did agree to take back my iMac for the sole reason that it did not work with Boot Camp despite that Apple doesn't support Windows or Boot Camp. My basic argument was that even though Apple doesn't support BC/Winows, they do "sell" it. The sell it in their "I'm a Mac" commercials. They sell it in the stores by having Mac's running Windows. They sell it over the phone at 1-800-MY-APPLE. I bought the line and bought a 24" iMac and it wouldn't do what I was told that it could. After talking with no fewer than 8 Apple employees I got to one that very quickly agreed to take the Mac back and expedite me a new one at no cost to me. On top of that it was even a CTO machine with the 7600GT GPU.

My new iMac will be here Wednesday. I am keeping my fingers crossed that it will work this time.
 

RobTuck

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Everyone seems to be jumping very quickly to the conclusion that it must be the Mac that is the problem.

Has anyone considered that it might be the XP disc thats being used?

The Boot Camp instructions are very specific about the XP install disc that must be used:

A bona fide installation disc for Microsoft Windows XP, Service Pack 2, Home or Professional (No multi-disc, upgrade or Media Center versions.)

Are you guys that are having problems meeting those specific requirements? If your CD isnt an SP2 disc, there are instructions around the web for 'slipstreaming' it to be an SP2 disc.
 

ipoddin

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RobTuck said:
Everyone seems to be jumping very quickly to the conclusion that it must be the Mac that is the problem.

Has anyone considered that it might be the XP disc thats being used?

The Boot Camp instructions are very specific about the XP install disc that must be used:



Are you guys that are having problems meeting those specific requirements? If your CD isnt an SP2 disc, there are instructions around the web for 'slipstreaming' it to be an SP2 disc.

That's true. It is possible it's user error. You also cannot use an XP disc that is not already with SP2. You can't install an original XP which doesn't have SP 2 with hopes of upgrading it. It must be SP2. Just another thing to check to be sure.
 

topgunn

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RobTuck said:
Everyone seems to be jumping very quickly to the conclusion that it must be the Mac that is the problem.

Has anyone considered that it might be the XP disc thats being used?

The Boot Camp instructions are very specific about the XP install disc that must be used:



Are you guys that are having problems meeting those specific requirements? If your CD isnt an SP2 disc, there are instructions around the web for 'slipstreaming' it to be an SP2 disc.
I have gotten two 20" Intel iMacs, 2 Intel Mac minis and a Mac Pro all up and running with Windows via Boot Camp all using the same Corporate Install disk of Windows XP SP2. As I mentioned a few posts ago, I got Windows installed using an external display. So, it is not the disk. It is not the driver. It is not Windows (since Ubuntu doesn't work either). It has to be the Mac.

ipoddin said:
That's true. It is possible it's user error. You also cannot use an XP disc that is not already with SP2. You can't install an original XP which doesn't have SP 2 with hopes of upgrading it. It must be SP2. Just another thing to check to be sure.
By the way, even if you are using a disk that is SP1 or before, you still get to the blue screen to install Windows just the install doesn't work when you are done. With the 24" iMacs that are affected, you can't even get that far.
 

rgbmaster

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topgunn said:
Nope, not a video driver. It really can't be since others on here have it working. Also, I can get Windows XP installed using an external monitor which would also be using the video driver (be it the basic VGA driver used during the install or the actual nVidia driver after the install). Nothing I tried allowed me to get the internal display to work with any BIOS based OS..

hardware issue?... hmmm... 2 same conf. imacs, one installs xp, the other does not... same xp cd... a defected video card? but it runs just fine, everything else works great... I wonder how many people are having this issue...

also, i've tried installing vista... RC2... 80Gb, NTFS partition... error - controller is not set up in the BIOS to support the partition - something like that... I wonder if this is connected (I am loosing my mind with bootcamp! starting to wonder all kinds of stuff :)
 

topgunn

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rgbmaster said:
hardware issue?... hmmm... 2 same conf. imacs, one installs xp, the other does not... same xp cd... a defected video card? but it runs just fine, everything else works great... I wonder how many people are having this issue...
There is a poll posted here but it is in German. Basically, of 110 people who voted, 51 had this problem and 59 did not. Factor in that people who have this problem are much more likely to find this poll and thus vote in it. I would venture to guess that maybe 20% of the 24" iMac have this problem.

This problem has also been reported with some users of Mac Pros and 23" ACD's. There is a solution for this particular situation however. Basically, they install Windows using a different monitor. Once you get it installed and install all of the drivers, you shutdown and reconnect the 23" display and then startup into Windows. You won't see what is going on you just have to know that it is booting. Once it is done, you disconnect power from the ACD and then reconnect power. At this point the ACD should work in Windows until you have to start it up again. Some users have reported that using WinACD eliminates the need for powering down the display. However, neither of these options seems to work for the 24" iMac. I can't just power down the 24" internal display and WinACD wouldn't recognize my internal display.
 

topgunn

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rgbmaster said:
topgunn, do you know if all replaced imacs solved the issue?
One user here at Mac Rumors, Flyinace2000, had a 24" iMac that ran Windows just fine. He had unrelated issues and ended up having to send the computer back to Apple. His replacement computer had this problem and did not display Windows on the internal display.

I don't think that all replacement machines will run Windows although it does seem like fewer machines are coming from the factory that have this problem. For example, when the 24" iMac was first released, everyone stated as fact that the 24" model was incompatible with Windows. A few early adopters had to step forward to say that it in fact did work with theirs. The poll I linked to above had nearly 50% of the respondants claim that they had this problem (the poll is a few weeks old). A poll I posted here on Mac Rumors a few days ago had only 2 people say they had this problem (me and Flyinace2000 although now you have the same problem).

Who knows, maybe there was a bad batch of nVidia firmware that made it out the door although the revision ROM's are the same for iMacs that do work and ones that don't. I asked the guy at Apple that agreed to take my computer back what would happen if the replacement had the same problem. He told me I could send that one back and try again. Hopefully that won't be required.
 

RobTuck

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Sep 19, 2006
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topgunn said:
I have gotten two 20" Intel iMacs, 2 Intel Mac minis and a Mac Pro all up and running with Windows via Boot Camp all using the same Corporate Install disk of Windows XP SP2. As I mentioned a few posts ago, I got Windows installed using an external display. So, it is not the disk. It is not the driver. It is not Windows (since Ubuntu doesn't work either). It has to be the Mac.

I have also installed XP on two 20" iMacs and two 24" iMacs using the same corporate XP SP2 CD. No problems at all. Well, almost. Both 24" iMacs suffered from the white screen of death during initial installation, but thats easily recoverable with a PRAM reset.

However, has anyone (having problems) tried a different XP CD?
 

Flyinace2000

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RobTuck said:
I have also installed XP on two 20" iMacs and two 24" iMacs using the same corporate XP SP2 CD. No problems at all. Well, almost. Both 24" iMacs suffered from the white screen of death during initial installation, but thats easily recoverable with a PRAM reset.

However, has anyone (having problems) tried a different XP CD?


I made a disc image of a Windows XP SP2 disc at work today. I am gonna burn that and give it a try tonight.
 

topgunn

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RobTuck said:
I have also installed XP on two 20" iMacs and two 24" iMacs using the same corporate XP SP2 CD. No problems at all. Well, almost. Both 24" iMacs suffered from the white screen of death during initial installation, but thats easily recoverable with a PRAM reset.

However, has anyone (having problems) tried a different XP CD?
It is definetly not the disk. I just got my replacement machine and, using the same disk, Windows runs perfectly on it.
 
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