That is nuts. People that would want a "Mini" Mac Pro would never consider the AIOs. The iMac "Pro" has a gimped Xeon. The iMac has a fusion drive, and maxes out a 8 cores @ 3.6 and a cut down Vega 56 (Vega 48).
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MP 7,1 Has anyone seen a benchmark?
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That is nuts. People that would want a "Mini" Mac Pro would never consider the AIOs. The iMac "Pro" has a gimped Xeon. The iMac has a fusion drive, and maxes out a 8 cores @ 3.6 and a cut down Vega 56 (Vega 48).
Finally got the memory delivered so here is a compile benchmark for software developers. This is for building clang with ninja. It uses all cores all the way until the end where it quickly tapers off so scaling is very nice:
Scales in line with GHz * cores and power consumption. Intel is just rearranging the 14nm chairs.
Scaling from iMac Pro is not 100%.
All in all this should give me a noticeable productivity increase. Ideally I would have a development workflow that allowed usage of remote servers for compiling. Currently this is the best I can do while staying in Xcode, which is my preferred IDE where I'm most productive.
Scales in line with GHz * cores and power consumption. Intel is just rearranging the 14nm chairs.
Scaling from iMac Pro is not 100%.
All in all this should give me a noticeable productivity increase. Ideally I would have a development workflow that allowed usage of remote servers for compiling. Currently this is the best I can do while staying in Xcode, which is my preferred IDE where I'm most productive.
Original 28 Core with 1,5 TB RAM
Apple certainly wishes that this was their current MacPro7.1.
Hackintosh
Apple certainly wishes that this was their current MacPro7.1.
Hackintosh
I doubt Apple really cares as it's my opinion they're not focused on creating a system with the absolute top performance available. I think many of their customers feel the same as they're satisfied having something that is a considerable step up from Apple's previous offerings. The 2019 Mac Pro may not be the fastest but it's a solid offering and I'm glad Apple offers it.
Just for clarification, the scores shown in Post #279 are for Geekbench 4 NOT Geekbench 5. There's quite a difference between the two. My 2019 NcMP with an 8 core and 10 sticks of 8GB RAM is shown below. The other two sticks should be here this week, so right now my RAM is not optimized.
Single core score for the 8 core looks very close to the single core score for the 28 core. When I put in my last 2 RAM modules, it will be higher.
Lou
Single core score for the 8 core looks very close to the single core score for the 28 core. When I put in my last 2 RAM modules, it will be higher.
Lou
I don't recall ever having commented on whether a hackintosh is or is not a viable alternative.
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Mac Pro is a lot like BMW. Nice vehicles but not the best value.@defjam pricewise the Mac Pro absolutely plays in the top league
@DSM2.Hackintosh :
a hackintosh is a nice tech play, but for a work machine i'd never do that.
for that i need a reliable machine that does not break on system updates.
if i work in the time you need for system maintainance i can easily afford a real mac
a hackintosh is a nice tech play, but for a work machine i'd never do that.
for that i need a reliable machine that does not break on system updates.
if i work in the time you need for system maintainance i can easily afford a real mac
@zzzachi Nice tech play? Sorry but it's obvious that you don't know anything about the subject. These "technical games" were over eight years ago. I use my hackintosh 24/7 for work and don't have to worry about updates at all. Nothing goes wrong or anything like that. Once properly configured and set up and you have peace of mind. I'm using Hackintoshes since 2011, back in the days of Tonymac stuff Multi beast and Co. it was a catastrophe but those times are very very long ago and alot changed. Yes, you have to get into the business and get the know how but that doesn't hurt anyone in the long run. I have my MacPro7.1 only because it was a business purchase and ultimately costs me nothing, but in fact I don't even need it.
@DSM2.Hackintosh depends on what you do, i have threadripper 3970x and you cant hackintosh this generation. i know system setup is easier than it was, but it is still a hassle. i'd have to bother about things i dont even want to know or waste my time on. i use a pc for 3d work next to a mac pro 2012. that is easier for me. but out of interest... what hardware do you use ? cpu / motherboard etc
Sorry but you can't compare an AMD Hackintosh with an Intel Setup.
AMD is really a tech play without a doubt.
I know the problems regarding Threadripper 3970X and it will be a long time before it will work, if that moment ever comes.
Systems :
6x X299
ASUS WS X299 Sage 10G
7960X @4.8 GHz
AMD Radeon VII
128 GB RAM
3x Socket 3647
Asus Dominus Extreme
Intel Xeon W 3175X
2x AMD Radeon VII
192 GB RAM
Gigabyte C621 Aorus Xtreme
Intel Xeon W 3175X
2x AMD Radeon VII
192 GB RAM
EVGA SR-3 Dark
Intel Xeon W 3175X
2x AMD Radeon VII
192 GB RAM
AMD is really a tech play without a doubt.
I know the problems regarding Threadripper 3970X and it will be a long time before it will work, if that moment ever comes.
Systems :
6x X299
ASUS WS X299 Sage 10G
7960X @4.8 GHz
AMD Radeon VII
128 GB RAM
3x Socket 3647
Asus Dominus Extreme
Intel Xeon W 3175X
2x AMD Radeon VII
192 GB RAM
Gigabyte C621 Aorus Xtreme
Intel Xeon W 3175X
2x AMD Radeon VII
192 GB RAM
EVGA SR-3 Dark
Intel Xeon W 3175X
2x AMD Radeon VII
192 GB RAM
Hard to tell between Dominus Extreme and the SR3 but I think I like the EVGA SR-3 Dark more because its really nice for overclocking and you can use a standard e-atx case for it.
The other motherboards are much bigger and its hard to find a case for it which doesnt cost 900 euro or more
Price depending on the Hardware used but with all the other stuff and watercooling 11.000 Euro.
Apple would take 30 K and I would still have much less performance power.
I use OpenCore
The other motherboards are much bigger and its hard to find a case for it which doesnt cost 900 euro or more
Price depending on the Hardware used but with all the other stuff and watercooling 11.000 Euro.
Apple would take 30 K and I would still have much less performance power.
I use OpenCore
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It's like every single time, when people were discussing about Mac, there are gonna be some smartasses LTT PC herrenrasse think they're the only people on Earth knew there are cheaper PC alternatives. Same happened when it comes to iOS vs Android. It's like talking to someone thinks everyone should drive a Tesla Model 3 instead of a Porsche Taycan because "it's superior and much cheaper" and more "cost effective". You think Bill Gates doesn't understand cost performance ratio?
And Hackintoshes have their own problems, regardless of the system upgrade. I developed lots of native tools for macOS for years, and like others that paid for the tools I use. I've encounter way too many strange errors that can never be reproduced on real Macs. I end up stop supporting Hackintoshes as it would cost too much time for too little users.
If someone is buying BTO Mac Pros w/ XDRs, budget probably isn't his or her concern. As many mentioned before, their jobs/employers probably pay for the tool they use. Many people have their work and tools built around macOS and it would cost way more for them to stop working and switch. Those people don't care about your fancy RGB or OC graphic cards w/ watercooling. Making money with their skill and time is way more productive than saving a few bucks on some tools.
And Hackintoshes have their own problems, regardless of the system upgrade. I developed lots of native tools for macOS for years, and like others that paid for the tools I use. I've encounter way too many strange errors that can never be reproduced on real Macs. I end up stop supporting Hackintoshes as it would cost too much time for too little users.
If someone is buying BTO Mac Pros w/ XDRs, budget probably isn't his or her concern. As many mentioned before, their jobs/employers probably pay for the tool they use. Many people have their work and tools built around macOS and it would cost way more for them to stop working and switch. Those people don't care about your fancy RGB or OC graphic cards w/ watercooling. Making money with their skill and time is way more productive than saving a few bucks on some tools.
@1147402 Please don't compare me to LTT. This guy tells a lot of lies and trash...
I cannot repeat myself often enough, a hackintosh has been out of tinkering for years. Technology doesn't stand still and neither does development. Once properly configured, a hackintosh is in no way inferior to a real Mac. On the contrary: better and faster and expandable at any time. Linus can't even get a hackintosh to work properly , but the problem is Linus and his people, not the field itself. You have to have the necessary knowledge to configure it properly. It's not that I don't have the money or anything, I can easily get three of the new Mac Pros fully featured, but why would I do that when I can run a machine with much more performance and just as a hackintosh and save money? I use all my machines for work. No failures and no complaints. All Apple Services included and each feature working just perfect like on the original MacPro which I also have. I wouldn't spend so much money for a hackintosh if those were not a rock solid machine.
I cannot repeat myself often enough, a hackintosh has been out of tinkering for years. Technology doesn't stand still and neither does development. Once properly configured, a hackintosh is in no way inferior to a real Mac. On the contrary: better and faster and expandable at any time. Linus can't even get a hackintosh to work properly , but the problem is Linus and his people, not the field itself. You have to have the necessary knowledge to configure it properly. It's not that I don't have the money or anything, I can easily get three of the new Mac Pros fully featured, but why would I do that when I can run a machine with much more performance and just as a hackintosh and save money? I use all my machines for work. No failures and no complaints. All Apple Services included and each feature working just perfect like on the original MacPro which I also have. I wouldn't spend so much money for a hackintosh if those were not a rock solid machine.
Then spend your Hackintosh money somewhere else than a Mac forum already. This Hackintosh spamming is getting ridiculous. It's your darn money and you can burn them on PC parts all you want. But people who bought a Mac Pro didn't do so because of its price tag or its the one with most raw power. The whole package is just simpler and better that w/ money anyone can easily have access to. People don't have to know how to build a supercar to own one, and even if they can they might not want to. No one pay us to do that and it cost my time and energy that gain us so little. If budget is your concern and your time isn't worth that much or simply have too much free time then by all means build a Hackintosh, but do so somewhere else than a Mac forum.
I'm certainly not jealous or hateful of you. However I would suggest you simply respond to the OP sensibly and if you have a MP7,1 then use that background for your responses. The OP makes it quite clear the MP7,1 is the center of attention and not any non Mac model. People who own a MP7,1 want to hear and discuss the MP7,1 issues etc and not those of other brands.
For example, I own a MP7,1 and I'm researching as much as I can about its capabilities. Having to see posts about non Mac brands when the subject is about MP7,1 makes little sense to me.
I'm glad you're happy with your own custom built computer, but honestly, your happiness means absolutely nothing to me.
I do wonder what you real attempts are, especially noting you joined this forum just one day ago!
Somebody seems sensitive about their purchase.