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Be serious.... Gosh.... what a lot of tosh/ego.... and has nothing to do with the OP's enquiry.
@bxs Ego? Man you asked me a questions and I answered your question.
What's your problem?
It's really real. It's now possible to use thunderbolt 3 on a macpro 5.1 like you would have a newer machine which have thunderbolt from the start. No slot restriction, no Bios restriction if you use a hackintosh, no AIC Header needed and you can use multiple Thunderbolt Cards at once.
Pictures attached belowe made on a X299 Hackintosh...
Pictures with Macpro5.1 will follow soon.
Probably Monday or Tuesday.
What's your problem?
It's really real. It's now possible to use thunderbolt 3 on a macpro 5.1 like you would have a newer machine which have thunderbolt from the start. No slot restriction, no Bios restriction if you use a hackintosh, no AIC Header needed and you can use multiple Thunderbolt Cards at once.
Pictures attached belowe made on a X299 Hackintosh...
Pictures with Macpro5.1 will follow soon.
Probably Monday or Tuesday.
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Just had some time to run Novabench. Here are the results
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If Linus and his staff, who are technically adept people, are unable to get a hackintosh working properly what does that say about the knowledge necessary to successfully build one? This is not to knock a hackintosh but on one hand you're saying it's so simple to do that anyone can do it and then on the other you're saying a team of technically skilled people are unable to do it.
@defjam Technical knowledge is one thing but just because I know how certain hardware works, it doesn't mean I know how to build an airplane.
You have to study the material to know exactly how to configure and build something like that and that differs quite a bit depending on the platform you use. Once you have the hackintosh knowledge, it's all easy going. But you also have to deal with it until then.
I've been in the game for 9 years and always had at least one hackintosh at the start, at some point I sold all the original Mac computers and built 9 workstations and only now and more from itch and because it didn't cost me a cent, I ordered a MacPro7,1.
Of course you have to acquire the knowledge first and you have to be interested and take your time. Not everybody has that and not everybody wants to deal with it. But it brings you a lot, because you learn how macos is knitted in general.
But in the end you configure the system once and have peace of mind.
Of course you should check from time to time if there are updates for kexts but this is not very different from other macos drivers which comes from third party distributors and are located in the ESP of the hard disk and not in the Extension folder.
You have to study the material to know exactly how to configure and build something like that and that differs quite a bit depending on the platform you use. Once you have the hackintosh knowledge, it's all easy going. But you also have to deal with it until then.
I've been in the game for 9 years and always had at least one hackintosh at the start, at some point I sold all the original Mac computers and built 9 workstations and only now and more from itch and because it didn't cost me a cent, I ordered a MacPro7,1.
Of course you have to acquire the knowledge first and you have to be interested and take your time. Not everybody has that and not everybody wants to deal with it. But it brings you a lot, because you learn how macos is knitted in general.
But in the end you configure the system once and have peace of mind.
Of course you should check from time to time if there are updates for kexts but this is not very different from other macos drivers which comes from third party distributors and are located in the ESP of the hard disk and not in the Extension folder.
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Perhaps I'm not understanding your previous statements but it appeared to me you were making the case anyone could quickly and easily build a hackintosh. Here you appear to be saying anyone can do it if they take the time to learn the intricacies of doing so. While I agree with that line of thinking it is something a lot of Macintosh users have no interest in doing. Therefore advocating building a hackintosh, in a discussion focused on the 2019 Mac Pro, has little value.
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Not only am I uninterested in building a Hackintosh I'm also never going to run an unlicensed operating system on my work computers. Polluting a thread that's about the Mac Pro 7,1 with off-topic Hackintosh advocacy is a total waste of time if you ask me. There are plenty of other threads here on MacRumors where people can discuss that option if they choose.
_thanks! _would you mind making a signature that has your complete setup configs?
^^^^My Configuration:
2019 7,1 Mac Pro
Intel W-3223 8 Core CPU
1GB Apple SSD
96 GB of Ram (Twelve 8GB modules)
Aorus RX 7500 XT Video Card, 8GB RAM
Highpoint RocketU USB 3.0 USB Card (Four Ports)
Highpoint 7103 SSD card with -
Two 512GB Samsung 970 Pro, One Samsung 500GB 970 Evo and One Samsung 512GB SM951 AHCI SSD.
Syba I/O Crest SSD card with -
Two 500GB Samsung 970 EVO SSD
Lou
2019 7,1 Mac Pro
Intel W-3223 8 Core CPU
1GB Apple SSD
96 GB of Ram (Twelve 8GB modules)
Aorus RX 7500 XT Video Card, 8GB RAM
Highpoint RocketU USB 3.0 USB Card (Four Ports)
Highpoint 7103 SSD card with -
Two 512GB Samsung 970 Pro, One Samsung 500GB 970 Evo and One Samsung 512GB SM951 AHCI SSD.
Syba I/O Crest SSD card with -
Two 500GB Samsung 970 EVO SSD
Lou
Mac Pro 7.1 Blackmagic Disk Speed Test for:
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I strongly agree with this. I was planning to buy Mac Pro but they are selling them based on upgradeability. The next Xeon iteration will be on a new socket LGA 4189 whereas the Mac Pro is LGA 3647. Comparing the Ryzen 9 3970X it appears to already beat the 16 core Mac Pro in benchmarks. And it does at literally half the cost ($12,000 vs $6000) of the Mac Pro I would buy, with the only real difference being 3X the memory bandwidth in the Mac Pro. I can't pay an extra $6000 for something just to put expansions cards in it, that's idiotic. The only catch is having to use Windows 10 /wrists.
It seems the only sensible Mac to buy right now if you have to is the Macbook Pro 16. And even then if you wait for Q4 2020 we'll see if the next gen Intel mobile chips allow us to have a 10 core MPB. I do audio work so for me core count matters a lot more than these duper MPX graphics things.
Maybe Cupertino should consider Ryzen 9 Macs? Mac already appears to be AMD graphics only.
@witchbutter
There is no Ryzen 9 3970X... There is a Threadripper 3 3970X and and who wonders that a 32 Core chip is faster then a 16 Core Intel Processor?
There is no Ryzen 9 3970X... There is a Threadripper 3 3970X and and who wonders that a 32 Core chip is faster then a 16 Core Intel Processor?
I had pretty much all version of macs :
powermac 730
powermac 9500
g3 beige
g3 blue
g4
g4 dual quicksilver
g5 dual
macbook 17”
mac mini
then a hackintosh at the very beginning when 4.1 and 5.1 were out of my budget. I had a Z77-th5up with 32gb of ram, a 3770k clocked at 4,2 a gtx 680 4 gb.
It was a fantastic machine , faster than anything apple stock , and with the promise R6, I had a very potent machine.... when I was not fighting crashes or bugs at any given time doing update ... sold it because I was getting more professional, and hackintosh was just not reliable enought to be the main tool for my main income.
then I went on the boosted classic MacPro 4.1 route, and slowly ramped up to the point the machine was maxed out with dual x5690, 128gb ram, 4 sm951 raided, a 10 slot pcie expander with 3 gpu , a 10gbe nic, a usb-c nic, a 10gb fiber nic. I moved my storage to a also maxed out xserve 3.1. with a 5 slot pcie expander with also 10gbe and 2x24 sas drive enclosure, it was fast, reliable. then I added 4 other maxed out 5.1 and used them as helping machine over the network . but realistically it took too much real estate , and at the end of the day I was still loosing a lot of time shuffling files from one machine to one other, and the xserve and rack are insanely loud, I mean, ridiculously loud.
but when i realized that my new macbook pro 16” was actually faster no matter what, I knew I had to start thinking about the 7.1 ....
since then I have resold 4 of the 5 maxed out 5.1 and gathered enough to buy a base model rack 7.1 only with the 1 Tb ssd. And I have a 16 core cpu, and 384 Gb of ram ready for it.
I wanted to experience what it was like to just work with the 6000€ base machine, before upgrading.
now, after a couple of day, I can say that event the base config is faster than a maxed out 5.1 ... in any software and any media, flat-out, period.
is it way faster in a way that justify to spend 6 grand? hard to tell right now but silence is a very underrated thing.
I was used to live with the noise of the 5.1 and pcie expander . the noise was not unbearable, but you would definitely feel released when you turn the machine of at the end of the day.
I do very large timelapses, with close to 1/2 million raw image per camera, sometimes with up to 8-9 camera.
I also do quite a bit of 4k/6k/8k footage, bullet time with a 72 camera array, or 3d photogrammetry with a robotic capture arm.
so having a machine running with all fan running full blast was a bit of a chore, but got the job done faster that most of my competitors.
I made a fair pile of cash with this machines, and rented them a lot to collegues... they totally paid for themselves.
all I can say so far is that even the base config with only 8 core, 32 gb ram, is way snappier, everything is just faster, large render are around 2x faster. I kept a 5.1 to do a side by side comparaison and will do a video about it . feel free to PM me if there is a test you want me to try.
at the end of the day I don’t regret my buy, and will upgrade the machine quickly... and will keep you updated!
powermac 730
powermac 9500
g3 beige
g3 blue
g4
g4 dual quicksilver
g5 dual
macbook 17”
mac mini
then a hackintosh at the very beginning when 4.1 and 5.1 were out of my budget. I had a Z77-th5up with 32gb of ram, a 3770k clocked at 4,2 a gtx 680 4 gb.
It was a fantastic machine , faster than anything apple stock , and with the promise R6, I had a very potent machine.... when I was not fighting crashes or bugs at any given time doing update ... sold it because I was getting more professional, and hackintosh was just not reliable enought to be the main tool for my main income.
then I went on the boosted classic MacPro 4.1 route, and slowly ramped up to the point the machine was maxed out with dual x5690, 128gb ram, 4 sm951 raided, a 10 slot pcie expander with 3 gpu , a 10gbe nic, a usb-c nic, a 10gb fiber nic. I moved my storage to a also maxed out xserve 3.1. with a 5 slot pcie expander with also 10gbe and 2x24 sas drive enclosure, it was fast, reliable. then I added 4 other maxed out 5.1 and used them as helping machine over the network . but realistically it took too much real estate , and at the end of the day I was still loosing a lot of time shuffling files from one machine to one other, and the xserve and rack are insanely loud, I mean, ridiculously loud.
but when i realized that my new macbook pro 16” was actually faster no matter what, I knew I had to start thinking about the 7.1 ....
since then I have resold 4 of the 5 maxed out 5.1 and gathered enough to buy a base model rack 7.1 only with the 1 Tb ssd. And I have a 16 core cpu, and 384 Gb of ram ready for it.
I wanted to experience what it was like to just work with the 6000€ base machine, before upgrading.
now, after a couple of day, I can say that event the base config is faster than a maxed out 5.1 ... in any software and any media, flat-out, period.
is it way faster in a way that justify to spend 6 grand? hard to tell right now but silence is a very underrated thing.
I was used to live with the noise of the 5.1 and pcie expander . the noise was not unbearable, but you would definitely feel released when you turn the machine of at the end of the day.
I do very large timelapses, with close to 1/2 million raw image per camera, sometimes with up to 8-9 camera.
I also do quite a bit of 4k/6k/8k footage, bullet time with a 72 camera array, or 3d photogrammetry with a robotic capture arm.
so having a machine running with all fan running full blast was a bit of a chore, but got the job done faster that most of my competitors.
I made a fair pile of cash with this machines, and rented them a lot to collegues... they totally paid for themselves.
all I can say so far is that even the base config with only 8 core, 32 gb ram, is way snappier, everything is just faster, large render are around 2x faster. I kept a 5.1 to do a side by side comparaison and will do a video about it . feel free to PM me if there is a test you want me to try.
at the end of the day I don’t regret my buy, and will upgrade the machine quickly... and will keep you updated!
I have known about LTT for a long, long time but never watched any clips until just recently, and in one, he mentioned the problems they had getting a thunderbolt add-in card to work on their hackintosh build. It made me seriously question their actual skill level with Hacks because I had a working Thunderbolt card in my Hackintosh after about half an hour of reading posts on here and the time it took to install it. It really is not that hard if you do your research.