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Has Apple finally given up on the MP?

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Roykor said:
It looks like you need to move over to PC, just like me. I am (still) waiting for the green light, but when it comes (soon) i am going to order a 6800K six core CPU, 2 x PCI SSD drives for OS and programs, GTX 1070 GPU, couple of SSD drives for simple stuff / main storage, and this all around 2600+ euro. Its a beast. i cant wait on what Apple will or not will do. With there long secrecy and silence, i shove them in the corner of unreliable. I can not build on them. Even if there will be an 7.1, they are capable of not upgrading that machine for years... they have showed us how they do it with the 6.1

I dont like to be fooled when i spend 4 or 5000 euro on a single Apple machine without a keyboard. So, i am going to move over. Its exciting and scary. But i will survive.
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Nah, I'm good. Actually built a Hackintosh with a GTX1080 and 64GB of RAM and an M.2 512GB PCIe SSD.

For giggles, it cost me about $2,400. I compared the same performance with a Trash Pro and it came out to be around $7000+

I dual boot OS X El Capitan (Works perfect) and Win10 and use all my old mac Peripherals, including keyboard/mouse/display (27" Cinema Display). I tucked the mATX (very small) behind the desk so you never really see it and it's all working perfectly.

ITguy2016 said:
I understand you may not prefer Windows but what you've described are personal preferences. Preferences based on what appears to be a lack of knowledge about the operating system (for example Windows does have font smoothing / anti aliasing and has starting way back in Windows 95).

If you prefer OS X that's fine. But please do so from a base of knowledge and refrain from spreading misinformation about it.
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Good design/UI is not subjective. it is objective.

Windows is not a good OS, but it's workable.

OS X is a good OS and is a polished OS.

There really is no misinformation here, OS X has a better UI, Font Management, and shortcuts and other perks including under the hood stuff.
 
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SDAVE said:
Good design/UI is not subjective. it is objective.
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What is good to you may not be good to others. As a user of both operating systems (along with others) I can unequivocally say they're a draw wrt to one another.

SDAVE said:
Windows is not a good OS, but it's workable.
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In your opinion. In my opinion it's as good as OS X.

SDAVE said:
OS X is a good OS and is a polished OS.
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As is Windows.

SDAVE said:
There really is no misinformation here, OS X has a better UI, Font Management, and shortcuts and other perks including under the hood stuff.
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When you say Windows doesn't contain something that it clearly does (and has for over 20 years) that's misinformation. As for what you've listed OS X has its warts too. For every weakness of Windows compared to OS X there is a strength against OS X. These days it's about preference. If you prefer OS X that's fine. Just realize your statements of Windows are based on your preferences.
 
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SDAVE said:
Nah, I'm good. Actually built a Hackintosh with a GTX1080 and 64GB of RAM and an M.2 512GB PCIe SSD.

For giggles, it cost me about $2,400. I compared the same performance with a Trash Pro and it came out to be around $7000+

I dual boot OS X El Capitan (Works perfect) and Win10 and use all my old mac Peripherals, including keyboard/mouse/display (27" Cinema Display). I tucked the mATX (very small) behind the desk so you never really see it and it's all working perfectly.



Good design/UI is not subjective. it is objective.

Windows is not a good OS, but it's workable.

OS X is a good OS and is a polished OS.

There really is no misinformation here, OS X has a better UI, Font Management, and shortcuts and other perks including under the hood stuff.
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Good if that works for you! I dont want to walk the Hackintosh route. I know its possible. But it has to many bumps on the road. To tricky for my daily job. I am going for Windows which is a great OS too. With OSX i have my share of problems as well. Facing the beachball of death many times while i am doing a big digital painting (which is bad!!!)
 
SDAVE said:
Sigh, you're definitely not an artist. You're an IT guy.
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I am not. But I know a lot of creative people. I've heard all their reasons as to why Macs are better (and, IMO, they were...over 15 years ago). Today their reasons boil down to personal preference. Which is fine by me.
 
Roykor said:
Good if that works for you! I dont want to walk the Hackintosh route. I know its possible. But it has to many bumps on the road. To tricky for my daily job. I am going for Windows which is a great OS too. With OSX i have my share of problems as well. Facing the beachball of death many times while i am doing a big digital painting (which is bad!!!)
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Yeah I definitely wouldn't recommend it for the faint of heart, you have to tweak it and get it to a good place.

Otherwise, if you're patient and are tech savvy you can get it working. I use it for work now and it works great, and I push it hard.

I made an exact clone to another SSD of the working OS X install and unplugged the cloned drive, so in "case of emergency" I can just use that drive. But otherwise it's great...if you get the right parts. Only downside is, no Thunderbolt, but USB3.0 and USB 3.1 is good enough. But there are motherboards with TB2 support if you really need it.

I got pissed off at Apple and decided to take a chance for a work machine. Thankfully I have a Retina MacBook Pro ... in case.
 
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Windows 10 it's very good if you are not afraid on your data security, actually is the OS with the widest hardware support period. But it's am nightmare on safety, still attached to archaic User- OS iteration.

Linux beyond servers still an WIP, it's very safe but lack commercial support (apps ecosystem) and will never have unless Google ditches chrome and build its own serious Linux desktop arround Google Play like app store, Linux sin is GPL v3 (previous versions too but v3 was far beyond an software license should rule) with more permissive license as MIT or Apache it would reign every where.

MacOS is in a point between window and Linux, safe as Linux with commercial support, but macOS suffer Apple's nightmares and fears instead to fully support open standards Apple insist on close property standard that's a wall on developers and portability, and is a barrier on innovation adoption ( vulkan, OpenCL 2, etc).

BTW macOS is the most workable not yet perfect for everyone.
 
Mago said:
Windows 10 it's very good if you are not afraid on your data security, actually is the OS with the widest hardware support period. But it's am nightmare on safety, still attached to archaic User- OS iteration.
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This is confusing. Can you clarify what it is you're attempting to say.
 
aaronhead14 said:
Wait, how on Earth did you get the GTX 1080 working in Mac OS X?!
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I don't use the 1080 under OS X. I use the iGPU (Intel HD530 via Skylake CPU) for OS X and switch DisplayPort cable to 1080 if I need to boot into Windows.

Surprisingly the Skylake iGPU is pretty darn fast under OS X, no problems whatsoever.
 
ITguy2016 said:
This is confusing. Can you clarify what it is you're attempting to say.
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The Gui and general user iteration methafora it's from 80s as much instead modern methafora, having to click here, there instead a streamlined contextual gui (just compare finder and Explorerl).

I still dream on an object based OS programmed from day 0 on high level object oriented language, theorized and much needed but no one does an steep forward.
 
Mago said:
The Gui and general user iteration methafora it's from 80s as much instead modern methafora, having to click here, there instead a streamlined contextual gui (just compare finder and Explorerl).

I still dream on an object based OS programmed from day 0 on high level object oriented language, theorized and much needed but no one does an steep forward.
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I have no idea what it is you're trying to say. What do you mean by "having to click here"? I have to "click here" in OS X too. How is Windows any different? As a user of both I don't see any benefit to one over the other when looked at as a whole. OS X has some strengths and weaknesses. Windows likewise. You prefer the OS X strengths and are accepting of its weaknesses...that's fine. But let's not pretend your argument pro OS X and con Windows is anything but personal preference.
 
ITguy2016 said:
This is confusing. Can you clarify what it is you're attempting to say.
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He is saying Windows is still using old Windows components from the NT era under the hood, even a mixture of some WinME/Win2k code in there....ie, it is archaic for 2016.

OS X is a *nix based OS and it's apps and drivers are sandboxes from the ground up. OS X is using code from Jobs' old company via NeXTSTEP.

They're both mature OS's and obviously Windows has much higher usage (although that CAN be contested now since iOS is basically OS X)...so the industry is more mobile now with Android and iOS.

No one is saying Windows can't do what OS X does. People are saying OS X is an elegant operating system and Windows is not, because you can take the hoodrat out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the hoodrat.
 
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SDAVE said:
He is saying Windows is still using old Windows components from the NT era under the hood, even a mixture of some WinME/Win2k code in there....ie, it is archaic for 2016.
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As is OS X. Why is this a weakness of Windows and not OS X?

SDAVE said:
OS X is a *nix based OS and it's apps and drivers are sandboxes from the ground up. OS X is using code from Jobs' old company via NeXTSTEP.
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I get so tired of hearing about this as if this alone means something. UNIX is even older than Windows yet you fault Windows for being old? As for Sandboxing...well...sort of. Not entirely. Oh...Windows has sandboxing and has since the release of Windows 8. Apps from the Windows store are sandboxed from one another. When it comes to sandboxing neither is better than the other.

SDAVE said:
They're both mature OS's and obviously Windows has much higher usage (although that CAN be contested now since iOS is basically OS X)...so the industry is more mobile now with Android and iOS.

No one is saying Windows can't do what OS X does. People are saying OS X is an elegant operating system and Windows is not, because you can take the hoodrat out of the hood, but you can't take the hood out of the hoodrat.
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People are saying OS X is elegant because they prefer OS X. That doesn't make it elegant or Windows inelegant. That just means some people prefer OS X. Combine that with their lack of knowledge about Windows I'm not surprised.
 
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