Wait till a few system/security updates and/or work arounds needed. It was a pain in the butt with me using a Nvidia card in a Mac Pro, but I can only imagine the problems with using a Hackentosh.
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Has Apple finally given up on the MP?
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Wait till a few system/security updates and/or work arounds needed. It was a pain in the butt with me using a Nvidia card in a Mac Pro, but I can only imagine the problems with using a Hackentosh.
It's the same problems..
I've had/been building hackintoshes since 2009 while there are problems the no boot no info problems are rare.
Yes, Apple has given up on the Mac Pro, but it's okay because Tim Cook is going to announce new Watch bands.
It's actually much easier with a hackintosh. After installing an OS update, my (unflashed) GTX 970 shows an unaccelerated desktop, from which the updated Nvidia web drivers can easily be installed.
I don't plan to update, staying on 10.11.5 for a while. I have a clone of the working drive in case of emergencies.
I used to have a GTX780 (Mind you, with a Mac EFI) in my maxed out 2010 cMP and it worked fine.
Currently have an AMD in this machine, works perfectly....waiting for GTX1080 drivers.
Have a Wifi card that is with native support for Handoff/BT so not too worried.
as far as hackintoshes go, the only person I know who uses them professionally has a farm of them set up for render jobs. But he uses a 5k iMac as the daily driver 'head' of the headless farm. He admitted to me that it is a pain in the ass every now and then when a new OS comes out. So he only commits to a new update when C4D or Adobe makes it painful not to step forward.
Even then he says that he uses CCC to dupe a disk, then run updates and beat on the new setup to see what shakes loose.
Lately Apple is intent on changing all kinds of stupid things, so I'd be scared of getting backed into a corner on a hackintosh. So the duped disk is a good idea if you ask me. I'd not be relying on Time Machine to step backwards gracefully.
Personally I'm sticking with my trashcan Mac Pro. I've maxed it out for ram and a couple storage arrays. Next big check I get I'm gonna do the CPU upgrade to a 10 or 12 core. Though the 6 core seems to work really well for single/multi-threaded stuff. I'd love to have more cores!
Even then he says that he uses CCC to dupe a disk, then run updates and beat on the new setup to see what shakes loose.
Lately Apple is intent on changing all kinds of stupid things, so I'd be scared of getting backed into a corner on a hackintosh. So the duped disk is a good idea if you ask me. I'd not be relying on Time Machine to step backwards gracefully.
Personally I'm sticking with my trashcan Mac Pro. I've maxed it out for ram and a couple storage arrays. Next big check I get I'm gonna do the CPU upgrade to a 10 or 12 core. Though the 6 core seems to work really well for single/multi-threaded stuff. I'd love to have more cores!
My friend who bought a 12-core right out of the gate, has always been disappointed with the Single-Core Performance, you might want to weigh your needs carefully before committing to a CPU upgrade.
Single thread performance in Skylake is RIDICULOUS. I get about 5000 single threaded and almost 19000 for Multi in Geekbench on a i7-6700k...I haven't even overclocked yet, though its so easy.
Total cost: $2400. That includes the GTX1080 (Still waiting for drivers).
As someone who uses a Hackintosh, I can't help but wonder if my best long term plan would be simply to switch back to Windows.
The way I see it, Apple's focus isn't on the pro market and I wouldn't be surprised if we see development in terms of their software for professionals as well, at which point I may as well use Windows (especially since cross platform software almost always performs better there).
Thoughts?
The way I see it, Apple's focus isn't on the pro market and I wouldn't be surprised if we see development in terms of their software for professionals as well, at which point I may as well use Windows (especially since cross platform software almost always performs better there).
Thoughts?
That may be possible, but the thought of switching to Windows only makes me want to vomit.
I really don't think Apple will dump OS X, or at least their MacBook Pro/iMac line, which means they will continue releasing OS X (now dubbed macOS XXXXX).
Obviously if you're on Hackintosh, your time is always limited anyway....but who's isn't? The 2010 Mac Pro is approaching EOL and Apple will stop supporting it in new macOS versions.
The Mac Pro line is definitely in shambles....but I REALLY think Apple will update it either in September of 2016 or in 2017, and also release a 5k TB3 display to go along with an updated Mac Pro (obviously with the same trashcan design).
My major concern is that they're stuck with AMD for a while because it has better OpenCL computational performance and I would assume they get better prices via OEM from AMD than they do with nVidia. nVidia is usually better in overall performance and raw power, but AMD is better in OpenCL computations.
But the saddest part is the Mac Pro has not been updated since 2013. That means, none of the internals have changed and they haven't dropped the price at least to reflect industry pricing. The midrange Mac Pro has 16GB of ram for christsake. I just built a Hackintosh with 64GB based Skylake Hacky for under $2400. I know they use Xeon, ECC RAM and other expensive items, but just saying, those parts drop in price as well. They are charging $1,200 for 64GB update, $300+ for 512GB PCIe SSD (I know for a fact this part costs less than that) and $600 for the highest end FirePro GPU that's almost 4 years old? C'mon.
Yeah I get you - I'm not a fan of Windows myself and from a technical perspective I'd much, much rather use a UNIX based operating system. I'm just also not blind to the fact that cross platform software almost always performs better on Windows on the same hardware (and my own experiences confirm this) and it means having a fairly stable, well supported platform.
The big thing for me is whether I can run Linux software on it but with the Windows Subsystem for Linux gradually improving this is seeming increasingly possible, if a little buggy. Granted, I'd rather just run Linux but I also really like being able to run software on my computer.
I'm still mixed in terms of platforms and have been for a long time - OS X has been my primary OS since 2005 but I'm not blind to the fact that Windows has improved in that time. I have a second SSD with Windows installed and honestly it's a pretty decent OS.
What I will say though is that I have found that software for OS X is consistently of a higher quality, and it really saddens me to see Apple taking this path.
I think Apple's current logic is very shortsighted - professional customers, whilst a relatively small segment of the market, I think have the potential to drive the rest of the market. Without awesome developers writing awesome software for OS X, what's there for the average user to actually use?
With that said, I increasingly feel like perhaps the idea of desktop ownership (or in my case, a Hackintosh with three monitors) is becoming less popular - the vast majority of people I know who aren't tech enthusiasts work solely with laptops and some even just use tablets.
Well it's always been about that. Steve respected the Pro market and the Pro market are one of the most fierce and loyal customer base that apple has. With 70% of their profits being iOS devices now, my thinking is that Tim is different than Steve as he sees the bottom dollar and Steve had more of a global view of the world.
The fact that if it wasn't for the Mac, we wouldn't have good typography on the desktop and publishing tools for design, saddens me that Apple just keeps integrating iOS with OS X and nothing else in between. There are no more "IT" features on OS X.
But then again, Apple is a global company now and before it was more of an "elite" and "niche" personal computer company.
In terms of raw speed, sure Windows may be faster, but OS X is just a joy to work with if you spend 80% of your day on a computer like me. My main apps are Adobe apps since I'm in the design industry and I can get things done 50x faster under OS X than clunky Windows (Windows 10 is no picnic, it's still garbage to me).
I prefer Unix based OS's as well, and I would hate to see OS X disappear and become vaporware. The Pro industry may be less than 10% of the customer base of Apple, but we've been with them for decades and Steve respected that and he knew even if he lost money in that area, he would make it up in another. I just really dislike where Tim is taking Apple, he really needs to be slapped around a bit with a big fish.
We miss you Steve.
has or had?
With the Apple's current tactics I really don't know, and we can take as a sign that many people think nowadays about hackintosh route, not because Apple is expensive but for the absence of updated MPs, isn't this a first step away? or an indication?
Had...I guess.
I was really hesitant of going the Hack route...was even considering plopping down $4-6k on a Trash Mac Pro but couldn't let myself be lied to by Apple.
I suppose with no one in charge at the top, Apple is basically another Dell with it's own operating systems.
They have a fashion marketing person on their board of directors for christsake.
I nearly did the same actually - I was torn between the retina iMac and the Mac Pro, and in the end went for a Hackintosh.Had...I guess.
I was really hesitant of going the Hack route...was even considering plopping down $4-6k on a Trash Mac Pro but couldn't let myself be lied to by Apple.
I suppose with no one in charge at the top, Apple is basically another Dell with it's own operating systems.
They have a fashion marketing person on their board of directors for christsake.
The problem I have now though is I'm not even entirely convinced about the future of their OS at this point.
I absolutely love having a UNIX based system and I think Logic Pro is one of the best DAWs I've ever used (though granted I'm learning Studio One so that I'm not entirely tied down to Apple's offerings if push comes to shove), but equally it amazed me just how much better Windows seems to run on the same hardware.
At the same time, I really do think there's some amazing software available for OS X and I really do love having something that's UNIX based - as a web developer, working on Windows is downright painful at the best of times.
Of course, how else do you expect the iwatch bands to segue into a full iaccessory line!
I think it's more about Apple's direction as a whole. They've very much gone from being a company about selling the best computers for productivity - for video editing and music production - to being a company that sells expensive fashion accessories and status symbols i.e. the new MacBook.
Well they're not a "computer" company anymore, they're now Apple Inc. a global brand.
Anyway, if they don't care then we shouldn't either.
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The whole pro industry pretty much runs on all Macs (Especially applications like Abelton, Logic Pro and all Adobe apps) everyone from Trent Reznor to Dre, to whoever else. Everyone. I don't think these guys care about milliseconds of improvement in performance so much that they'll switch to Windows.
The point being, OS X is a much better operating system. Better memory management, less "overhead" and less issues in general. No DLL's, apps are easy to install, no registries, shortcuts work great in Finder, etc. So the point being, in my profession I've only seen hardcore 3D people use Windows (because of better GPU acceleration for applications like Maya, etc.) but otherwise it's mostly OS X. It "just works". There are problems obviously and I've made OS X crash plenty of times under duress, but it's such an elegant OS compared to Windows....
I really DON'T think Apple is going to abandon OS X, but I think they've devoted too much of their resources on iOS devices. Maybe they need to hire more people. They wouldn't just dump the pro industry.
I was seriously disappointed when they dumped Shake and FCP 7 (I understand they were old techs) but the people in that industry specifically just abandoned OS X...the prior went to Nuke and the latter went to Premiere. Whether on Windows or OS X. No one uses FCXP.
Anyway, if they don't care then we shouldn't either.
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The whole pro industry pretty much runs on all Macs (Especially applications like Abelton, Logic Pro and all Adobe apps) everyone from Trent Reznor to Dre, to whoever else. Everyone. I don't think these guys care about milliseconds of improvement in performance so much that they'll switch to Windows.
The point being, OS X is a much better operating system. Better memory management, less "overhead" and less issues in general. No DLL's, apps are easy to install, no registries, shortcuts work great in Finder, etc. So the point being, in my profession I've only seen hardcore 3D people use Windows (because of better GPU acceleration for applications like Maya, etc.) but otherwise it's mostly OS X. It "just works". There are problems obviously and I've made OS X crash plenty of times under duress, but it's such an elegant OS compared to Windows....
I really DON'T think Apple is going to abandon OS X, but I think they've devoted too much of their resources on iOS devices. Maybe they need to hire more people. They wouldn't just dump the pro industry.
I was seriously disappointed when they dumped Shake and FCP 7 (I understand they were old techs) but the people in that industry specifically just abandoned OS X...the prior went to Nuke and the latter went to Premiere. Whether on Windows or OS X. No one uses FCXP.
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Shake wasn't "Old tech" till Apple acquired it and let it languish. It's just another of their ADD decisions.
Here's Ron Brinkman's Quote: "if you’re really a professional you shouldn’t want to be reliant on software from a company like Apple." In the end, he says "your heart will be broken. Because they’re not reliant on you."
Sub in the Word "Hardware" and you get the picture.
I'm still waiting on that replacement they promised.
What else is new.
Nuke is there, so Shake is out of the question.
The only reason Apple makes software is to lure people to buy their hardware and get stuck in their eco system. Once they see it doesn't make sense anymore, they will dump it. It's a very pragmatic company, which is fine. People in production don't like sudden changes like that.
Of course, the point is that Apple's word is worthless.
This is just copied and pasted from something I have written too many times here at MR:
Please don't get me started on the Shake Shenanigans! Years ago in a non-Apple Shake forum we all heard the news of Nothing's Real of Santa Monica being purchased by Apple! Great! Apple's $ with NR's knowledge = WOW! As time passed after the purchase the name Phenomenon was floating around. Everything was falling into place. With Apple's $ the 3D part of Shake that was suspect would get tweaked. It didn't have far to go because ILM and WETA had written tools to over come Shake's short comings. The forum was buzzing! Then came the Apple BS! Apple decided to base "Phenomenon" on it's app Motion. It would not be node based! I can still hear the laughter from the forum! Next the NR people left Apple for The Foundry and joined the Nuke team!
Now that was some Shake Shenanigans by Apple!
So yes Apple's word is worthless!
What's needed here is a rotten Apple emoji! - Status