People don't buy a phone just for taking pictures. If I was Huawei, I would invest more money into redesigning less cheesy UI.
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Has the new P30 Pro made the iPhone obsolete?
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My top reasons to buy HUAWEI phone : - excellent hardware - longevity - camera - battery life
You forgot a lack of software updates, copying the look of iOS, and sending all your data through it's own little hole in the Great Firewall.
If people want your data, they'll get it no matter what phone you have. You're at risk the moment you start using the internet and creating accounts.
Huawei Update their software regularly.. I know because I use it for the pass 5 years
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Well said..
Apple are becoming a services company, at this point I doubt they plan on doing any major innovation on the iPhone, it seems they are just happy to go by on average stuff.
I would not say the iPhone is obsolete, I would say it's not bothering about competing as it's offering is different to its competitors.
The iPhones Wired charging out the box is slower than the P30 Pro's wireless charging. The iPhones camera seems to be 2 years behind, iPhone battery life average at best, it goes on...
I just think Apple is at such a level of sales and profit margins they don't feel the need to do much, and would rather just get you on their services and lock you in there.
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Been getting consistent software updates on my Mate 20 Pro and one is coming to P30 Pro this month.
Let the tin foil hats have their fun man
The conspiracies get more entertaining by the day.
You're still talking about Huawei and their dodgy practices. Yet you'll happily create accounts and do many things online. How do you actually know who has access to your data?
The point is some models of Iphones dropping their prices in most parts of Asia, that says it all. Their Iphones are 60% of their money making products. The CEO is after your pocket, instead going software route offering stream route, Apple card etc.
Steve Jobs would surely wanted to beat the fella in the next world, whenever they meet.
Steve Jobs would surely wanted to beat the fella in the next world, whenever they meet.
The one who is trouble from your definition is Samsung.
I don’t understand why if there’s a great Android contender, people always put Apple to be the one at risk. Apple is on their own since they run its own OS. The one that is in competition is Samsung, since Samsung runs the same Android OS and apps. And yes, Samsung is facing huge challenges in China and other emerging markets. Contrary to the youtubers and tech bloggers, Samsung major sales are not from the Galaxy S phones, but from the low and mid rangers in the emerging markets, and they are being eaten away by the Chinese with better bang for the buck alternatives.
But competition is good. Samsung revamped their low/mid range offerings, with the attractive M series and rebooted A series, with much better bang for the buck (still carries the Samsung tax though, but not as hugely disproportionate as before).
As for the Huawei, they are great when they are on sale, but even in that market, Huawei is still overpriced premium brand. It’s no longer interesting looking at the flagships since you can always push the feature list when you are charging expensive prices. What’s more interesting is the mid ranger market, where competition is forcing OEMs to offer flagship features for less. I’m more interested in what Huawei can offer in its Nova series or Honor View series since they are more competitively priced than the Mate/P series.
Oh and one more thing, Huawei put a TON of analytics in their EMUI Android. If you are concerned about your phone phoning in home to China, then Huawei is not a good choice no matter the feature/price. Even Xiaomi MiUI feels less intrusive than Huawei’s EMUI.
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If you think that’s bad, you should see what Samsung is doing in some markets. When the Note 9 was launched, Samsung even gave free TVs with it.
With the S10, Samsung is offering 6 months of data plan, plus other gimmicks. That’s how fierce the market is. And Apple is not dropping retail prices in most parts of Asia. Apple mostly drop their distributor prices, giving incentives to resellers since the resellers get more margins. The recent news you read are only about China cutting their VAT (thus lowering prices, but it’s not Apple who lowered the prices), price drop in India of the XR is from reseller, pointing to Apple dropping just the distributor prices, not their own MSRP. Everywhere else in Asia, I don’t see any changes in prices.
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Wait, what? Huawei has been going into the high end flagship market ever since the Nexus 6P and their partnership with Leica. In Asia, Huawei is an expensive brand. The value brand is Huawei’s sub brand, Honor. Huawei itself is positioned against Samsung as a brand.She probably values her privacy.... wealthy people tend to love walled gardens
That doesn’t surprise me, Huawei doesn’t sell that many expensive phones to begin with, its more of a value brand no matter how hard they are now trying to pivot.
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this!!
Apple is fully aware of the fact people are staying with iPhones cause of 2 important things:
- iOS
- Apples ecosystem
That's why Apple is very very lazy with (real true) hardware upgrades and like you mentioned, their users are perfectly fine with iOS being almost the same last 4 or 5 years and on the other hand Apple can be maximizing prices _every_ single year, as they did the last few years.
I think any worldwide company can be jealous, bringing out products with hardly any changes every year but maximazing/increasing prices (and the well known ''nickeling and diming customers'' patented by Apple Inc.)
Why in the world should Apple bring out real useful and meaningful hard- and software upgrades if they can get the money very easy from their userbase? for example by selling a plastic case for $45 (iPhone Xr) which costs the company about $0.90 to produce (I won't mention the cost to fix a broken iPhone X/Xs/Xs Max display, those costs are just out of this world
)Apple's loyal customers are not demanding at all, they are happy to pay more and more for their yearly medicore iPhone upgrade, again, cause of the 2 Holy Grails: iOS and the ecosystem.
But I think this and last year is a tipping point for Apple that they can not get away anymore with being very very lazy when it comes to any useful and meaningful soft- and hardware updates, hence the multiple prices drops with iPhones in several countries in a very short time (last few months).
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As someone who works with, not for, a huge social platform and knows intimidate details about data collection I can tell you that ios does the best job at shutting down apps in the background and limiting this collection without your approval. If you are really concerned about privacy ios is the best platform to use. I personally don't really care much and don't use social media so it's a non issue for me and my Note 9. On Android you can use a firewall VPN to limit data collection as well but it slows the phone down a bit. When the next iPhone comes out I may switch we shall see. To answer the OP's question - No, the P30, does not make the iPhone obsolete...
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Lol, dude, don't even bother trying to argue with him, he lives in his reality distortion field. Let him spew his nonsense, nobody takes it seriously.
What I am loving is how Huawei have caused a shake-up in the industry, as both Apple and Samsung were getting pretty complacent, and I see Huawei's rise has begun to affect profits, Samsung seems to have had a difficult Q1, they need to bump it up with the tech in their phones now, hopefully the Note10 brings some innovative stuff, as I know I'll get it as a 2nd phone if it does.
Android was far too dominated by Samsung, so it's great we have another player challenging them in all fronts.
Indeed. I am shocked to see iPhone discounts and price drops. Even here in South Africa, in the past iPhones would sit at their high launch prices for most of the following year after launch, but this time around there have been large price drops, deals and short term discounts, I see the networks are also playing around with the packages to make them as tempting as possiblethis!!
Apple is fully aware of the fact people are staying with iPhones cause of 2 important things:
- iOS
- Apples ecosystem
That's why Apple is very very lazy with (real true) hardware upgrades and like you mentioned, their users are perfectly fine with iOS being almost the same last 4 or 5 years and on the other hand Apple can be maximizing prices _every_ single year, as they did the last few years.
I think any worldwide company can be jealous, bringing out products with hardly any changes every year but maximazing/increasing prices (and the well known ''nickeling and diming customers'' patented by Apple Inc.)
Why in the world should Apple bring out real useful and meaningful hard- and software upgrades if they can get the money very easy from their userbase? for example by selling a plastic case for $45 (iPhone Xr) which costs the company about $0.90 to produce (I won't mention the cost to fix a broken iPhone X/Xs/Xs Max display, those costs are just out of this world
Apple's loyal customers are not demanding at all, they are happy to pay more and more for their yearly medicore iPhone upgrade, again, cause of the 2 Holy Grails: iOS and the ecosystem.
But I think this and last year is a tipping point for Apple that they can not get away anymore with being very very lazy when it comes to any useful and meaningful soft- and hardware updates, hence the multiple prices drops with iPhones in several countries in a very short time (last few months).
The next 2-3 years is going to be very interesting.
The one's hurting the most actually is Samsung since Samsung is competing with all the Android OEMs at all price points. Apple does not as it only competes at the high end position. It is no surprise that China is a challenging market for everyone, but one cannot also put a straightforward conclusion based on sales numbers as most Chinese buy their iPhones overseas (either in Japan, Hong Kong Singapore, or even Australia) as prices of iPhones overseas are cheaper than local prices in China.
The one who is trouble from your definition is Samsung.
I don’t understand why if there’s a great Android contender, people always put Apple to be the one at risk. Apple is on their own since they run its own OS. The one that is in competition is Samsung, since Samsung runs the same Android OS and apps. And yes, Samsung is facing huge challenges in China and other emerging markets. Contrary to the youtubers and tech bloggers, Samsung major sales are not from the Galaxy S phones, but from the low and mid rangers in the emerging markets, and they are being eaten away by the Chinese with better bang for the buck alternatives.
But competition is good. Samsung revamped their low/mid range offerings, with the attractive M series and rebooted A series, with much better bang for the buck (still carries the Samsung tax though, but not as hugely disproportionate as before).
As for the Huawei, they are great when they are on sale, but even in that market, Huawei is still overpriced premium brand. It’s no longer interesting looking at the flagships since you can always push the feature list when you are charging expensive prices. What’s more interesting is the mid ranger market, where competition is forcing OEMs to offer flagship features for less. I’m more interested in what Huawei can offer in its Nova series or Honor View series since they are more competitively priced than the Mate/P series.
Oh and one more thing, Huawei put a TON of analytics in their EMUI Android. If you are concerned about your phone phoning in home to China, then Huawei is not a good choice no matter the feature/price. Even Xiaomi MiUI feels less intrusive than Huawei’s EMUI.
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If you think that’s bad, you should see what Samsung is doing in some markets. When the Note 9 was launched, Samsung even gave free TVs with it.
And Apple is not dropping retail prices in most parts of Asia. Apple mostly drop their distributor prices, giving incentives to resellers since the resellers get more margins. The recent news you read are only about China cutting their VAT (thus lowering prices, but it’s not Apple who lowered the prices), price drop in India of the XR is from reseller, pointing to Apple dropping just the distributor prices, not their own MSRP. Everywhere else in Asia, I don’t see any changes in prices.
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Wait, what? Huawei has been going into the high end flagship market ever since the Nexus 6P and their partnership with Leica. In Asia, Huawei is an expensive brand. The value brand is Huawei’s sub brand, Honor. Huawei itself is positioned against Samsung as a brand.
Yes but they don’t actually sell that much premium phones. Huwaei sales are predominately budget phones. Their asp is around $125.
In 2018 their mate 20 series and 20p series globally sold only 16 million units combined, that’s with 6 different phones.
And your right about Samsung
:Samsung warns first-quarter profits fell by 60 percent
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/05/samsung-q1-guidance.html
Samsung's Galaxy S10 couldn't boost its Q1 revenue, profits
https://www.cnet.com/news/samsungs-galaxy-s10-couldnt-boost-its-q1-revenue-profits/
Samsung’s upcoming Q1 earnings are going to be ugly
https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/04/samsung-q1-2019-earnings-profit-drop/
Yes.
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Yes they have here in Europe.
Like the people asking if the P30 runs iOS ? Of course it doesn't, and that's at least a major plus for the phone, not running that outdated Fischer Price kiddy OS.
The big question should be does it runs God's OS, meaning stock Vanilla Android, if not, then forget about it.
The big question should be does it runs God's OS, meaning stock Vanilla Android, if not, then forget about it.
DSLR prices are very reasonable now days. An affordable Canon or nikkon will kick 6 different kinds of dog crap out of even the best phone camera. For the Instagram crowd, all they care about is a bunch of cool filters. Point being, no one who is serious about photography reaches for any phone.
It's not a binary situation though. Consumers don't fit neatly into "serious DSLR user" or "teenage Instagram poster."
Being able to take low light photography in pubs or using 10x zoom during a sports event benefits a lot of people.
Apple are certainly not falling off the map just yet but if they don't start making groundbreaking tech they will start falling further behind other areas with android.
The sales will get worse as each year passes.
For what top phones can do apple are behind. Hopefully that changes this year but rumours point to a dull upgrade again
The sales will get worse as each year passes.
For what top phones can do apple are behind. Hopefully that changes this year but rumours point to a dull upgrade again