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do we start to get philosophical now ?

ok i can do that too

if you can run osx on a pc ,
is it still a pc or is it already a mac ?:confused:
or if you run windows on a mac,
is it still a mac or is it already a pc ?:confused:
ok by definition is a intel based platform running windows a wintel computer(biting my tongue not to say pc)

philosophical enough?:D

just a guess these faults or flaws or problems however you want to call them might not be accidental , maybe they are features to make it easier for pc users to switch to mac
 
i didnt get the bluetooth keyboard because what is the use when its sitting 1m away from the computer itself?

The wireless keyboard and mouse means that there is only one cable connected to the iMac out of the box: the power cord.

This enhanced aesthetics, as there are no wires dangling everywhere, and it also makes it easy to set up. I work in a PC retailer and believe me, there are people who are clueless about taking a PC out of the box and connecting the power, monitor, keyboard and mouse cables.
 
FWIW....I guess yours isn't really PERFECT or you wouldn't have dead pixels.
haha! thanks for un-making my day smart arse :rolleyes: :p ;) (jokes jokes)

The wireless keyboard and mouse means that there is only one cable connected to the iMac out of the box: the power cord.

This enhanced aesthetics, as there are no wires dangling everywhere, and it also makes it easy to set up. I work in a PC retailer and believe me, there are people who are clueless about taking a PC out of the box and connecting the power, monitor, keyboard and mouse cables.

hmmmmmm...... pretty sure ONE wire (see first picture) is not going to effect anything. sure it might take..uummm.. 4 seconds long to plug in, but i can deal with that over the large amount i will spend on batteries (not to mention all the reported problems with droputs on the new imacs).

lucky for me that i use macs, no need to worry about that monitor!

as for the 2nd picture (on the right): i have made concious decisions to use all of those devices, i dont need the speakers, the TV Tuner, nor the ethernet. i could use the built in speakers (or headphones), use my TV, and use my wireless network - but how un-efficient. in my case it is worth having those cables, wireless is just pathetically slow!
 

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The wireless keyboard and mouse means that there is only one cable connected to the iMac out of the box: the power cord..

It also means every time you want to plug in a usb stick, a memory card reader, or any other small USB peripheral - you have to try and reach around the back of the machine to find its USB ports.

With the corded keyboard (which also gives you a numeric keypad) you have extra USB ports right there on your desk. FAR more user friendly imho.
 
the most important bit are the batteries needed and i know the problem thats why i never go wireless again , every time you really need the device these batteries are empty
and i prefere to have 1 free usb port on my keyboard (in the other is the promouse ) just for a small flashdrive to store date quickly without having to stand up and bending around ,i know some might say now that its not really a big task to do that, but its convenient like it is to have a usb tv card instead of a television on the desk on the side of the computer , its also convinient to have a number pad on the keyboard instead of a pocket calculator on the desk

ok apple could overcome these issues by fitting a charging point in the foot of the mac or as a extra device ,like for example my electric toothbrush . i just have to place it after use on the stand and its charging , so it is always charged or just something as simple as my mobile phone , i do not have to change batteries in it or take them out to charge i just plug in the charger and on both the toothbrush and the mobilephone i can see if they are fully charged or empty and i have just out of curiosity tried to place my akku from the mobile phone under the keyboard without lifting it or so and it fits perfectly underneath , so the size of the keyboard would not require any altering
 
haha! thanks for un-making my day smart arse :rolleyes: :p ;) (jokes jokes)



hmmmmmm...... pretty sure ONE wire (see first picture) is not going to effect anything. sure it might take..uummm.. 4 seconds long to plug in, but i can deal with that over the large amount i will spend on batteries (not to mention all the reported problems with droputs on the new imacs).

lucky for me that i use macs, no need to worry about that monitor!

as for the 2nd picture (on the right): i have made concious decisions to use all of those devices, i dont need the speakers, the TV Tuner, nor the ethernet. i could use the built in speakers (or headphones), use my TV, and use my wireless network - but how un-efficient. in my case it is worth having those cables, wireless is just pathetically slow!

Dof, I knew you would get the iMac!! Ive been away for a while and this is the first time I noticed you got it! Congrats. What TV tuner do you have? The algoto? Ive been wanting to get one but not sure how Im going to get a coax to it.

As far as this thread goes.... I agree with the countless people that have said it is unrealistic to expect perfection no matter what the cost. Sorry to say. And sorry to hear people are having issues. To the OP, have you performed the suggested maintenance tasks like resetting the PRAM and doing a cache cleaning? I know this probably wont help certain issues, but who knows.

The fortunate thing for us is that its an Apple product. And so far, Apple has taken care of me every chance I have given them. If you have something wrong with your machine.... TAKE IT BACK and quit yer bitchin! :D
Personally, i have nothing but love for my i7. I have had none of the described issues, knock on wood. But if something develops I will be placing a very polite call to Apple care for a resolution.
 
no do not stop buying mac`s , just delay your purchase for a while , if suddenly the sales /orders drop significantly apple has to react , if you return your defect one they had their sale anyway , it cost them not much to replace one
as they can write of the cost for that from the tax they pay
as not buying /ordering is the customers only option to show a company
"you cant get away with that, improve the quality control ,
change the supplier of specific parts if the quality you get from a supplier is not satisfying "
but not just only delay it go in the shop and tell the people there
"yes i would buy one but i will not take the risk because i read about so many problems, so i wait for for apple to improve the quality "

its same with cars if a manufacturer has a new model with lots of problems the sales drop and they usually rectify these problems very quick then
 
sorry for the late reply, im lazy :p
Dof, I knew you would get the iMac!! Ive been away for a while and this is the first time I noticed you got it! Congrats. What TV tuner do you have? The algoto? Ive been wanting to get one but not sure how Im going to get a coax to it.
haha yup ive got it and its grand! no complaints/faults thus far! i have the elagato hybrid tuner (analogue/digital). its only SD but gives a good enough picture for me! i plug my ps2/n64/ps1 into it and play in on my puter :D its great.

As far as this thread goes.... I agree with the countless people that have said it is unrealistic to expect perfection no matter what the cost. Sorry to say. And sorry to hear people are having issues. To the OP, have you performed the suggested maintenance tasks like resetting the PRAM and doing a cache cleaning? I know this probably wont help certain issues, but who knows.
i agree with you there. the initial investment ensures that we can be picky about the product that we want. if its bad then we can ask for a replacement without any real justification needed.
 
sorry again to disagree there ,1st we are not talking about a couple iMac`s with problems we are talking now about thousands , iMac 27 and 21.5 the forums worldwide are full with problems with them
and 2nd lots of people safe for a long time before they can even order one ,
then they wait weeks before it arrives
and then they unpack it set it up and wow it looks great ...but its not even working ,
it is not about perfection , but
there are still people out there who think a product should at least be in a usable condition when they get it :confused:
and i agree with them buying a product should not be a... lottery?
if you are lucky you get a working one
if you are unlucky
more luck with the next one
what business practice is that :confused:
 
...Even as I have been typing this, keyboard connection has been lost TWICE. It is almost impossible to type anything - takes AGES - have to keep checking to see if screen has been filled with dots or whichever was the last letter successfully typed before either MOUSE or KEYBOARD lost connection. Then, there is the problem of the flickering screen - for an hour after start up each morning: screen flickers, blacks out, horizontal lines etc... Oh, and why does it need my finger on the start button at the back for TWO MINUTES before it actually deigns to start? (sometimes, I have to do even THIS twice!)
I was so excited before I bought this computer, now, I just feel duped. Nearly £1400 for THIS. Jokes on me, I think...

Ugh. I just wanted to chime in and say that I feel your pain. Well, not quite. I got my new macbook pro for free, so I don't have that salt in my wound of the mac not working. But how these bloody things can be so expensive and then not "just work" out of the box as advertised is frankly shocking.

My new mac provides me with frequent application crashes. Crazy applications like "finder" and "Word for mac." Yeah, I know, I shouldn't be running such exotic applications.

A couple hours ago, finder crashed and I actually got an error message when I tried to force quit and restart it saying, "this applicant cannot be launched." Uh ... ok. I guess I'll just restart the whole damned computer.

Yesterday, I had to take a picture of my screen with my camera because the entire system just completely locked up and I couldn't save the last couple of paragraphs that I had typed in word. Unbelievable.

I'm about ready to throw this thing out the window.

Anyway ... you are not alone. I hope you are able to get your issues sorted.
 
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