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iPhone SE (2016) Have an X, but just ordered an SE - think I'll regret it?

KeepCalmPeople said:
I think the most powerful argument for Apple reintroducing Touch ID in the future, is that Samsung just launched the Galaxy S10 line with in-screen fingerprint scanning.
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You could use the same argument for the 3.5mm jack.

We also saw Huawei launch their under-display fingerprint sensor on their flagship last October, so the tech isn't new. Apple follows their own roadmap for biometrics.
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1050792 said:
How do you know it's not coming back? Are you a reliable Apple source now?
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Credible sources like Kuo have repeatedly said no.
 
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JPack said:
You could use the same argument for the 3.5mm jack.

We also saw Huawei launch their under-display fingerprint sensor on their flagship last October, so the tech isn't new. Apple follows their own roadmap for biometrics.
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Credible sources like Kuo have repeatedly said no.
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Samsung's in-screen fingerprint is ultrasonic, completely different from Huawei technology.
Apple clearly didn't follow their own roadmap for biometrics since Samsung had been using Iris Scanner and Facial Unlock for ages. Even if more secure than Facial Unlock, they took the idea and made it different.
Apple following their own roadmap for biometrics would be creating a completely different idea like, breath unlock? That's something to think about. ;)
 
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s54 said:
Oh the irony :D

But you know for a fact that Touch ID is never coming back to the iPhone?

LOL
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Considering all new iPhones and iPads have Faceid is a pretty good indicator. Touchid will be reserved for budget devices as they know some want cheaper devices without the newest tech. Apple has never removed or changed a feature then made a 180 to bring it back.. Headphone jack gone, home button gone, just a couple of examples..
 
1050792 said:
Samsung's in-screen fingerprint is ultrasonic, completely different from Huawei technology.
Apple clearly didn't follow their own roadmap for biometrics since Samsung had been using Iris Scanner and Facial Unlock for ages. Even if more secure than Facial Unlock, they took the idea and made it different.
Apple following their own roadmap for biometrics would be creating a completely different idea like, breath unlock? That's something to think about. ;)
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Consider that Apple filed a patent for 3D facial biometrics back in 2011. This was well before Samsung filed their own facial biometrics patents in 2014.

https://www.patentlyapple.com/paten...atent-for-high-end-3d-object-recognition.html
 
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BugeyeSTI said:
Considering all new iPhones and iPads have Faceid is a pretty good indicator. Touchid will be reserved for budget devices as they know some want cheaper devices without the newest tech. Apple has never removed or changed a feature then made a 180 to bring it back.. Headphone jack gone, home button gone, just a couple of examples..
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That is not a good indicator by any stretch. You're confusing innovation with practicality.

Too many assumptions on your end. You simply don't know what's they'll do. You do realize that iPhone SE came after the iPhone 6 launched, right? - That alone is proof that, yes, they do go backwards and bring back things that worked well in the past. Be it because it's cheaper, more practical, or both. They did exactly that: they brought back the iPhone 5 design after a bigger iPhone was already out.

If anything, Apple has a track record of implementing features and design changes years after they've been available on Android devices: Face recognition, bigger bezel-less screens, fast charging, wireless charging, etc... the list goes on.

Therefore, the combination of latest Samsung smartphones implementing a fingerprint reader under the screen and reputable leakers suggesting the same for future iPhones are both good indicators of what's to come for Apple.
 
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@Anthony T

If you love the SE, enjoy it and pay no mind to the others.

There are loads of us who use and love and truly cherish our SE's, all for different reasons, but a common thread is just that the physical size is so perfect for so many contexts.

All the things touted as "better" about larger/newer devices are usually pretty subjective and many are questionably "upgrades" (removal of useful things as one example).

In my opinion, the best thing about the newer devices is usually always the camera upgrades.
But that said - my SE camera is still really great and not something holding me back at this time.
 
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s54 said:
That is not a good indicator by any stretch. You're confusing innovation with practicality.

Too many assumptions on your end. You simply don't know what's they'll do. You do realize that iPhone SE came after the iPhone 6 launched, right? - That alone is proof that, yes, they do go backwards and bring back things that worked well in the past. Be it because it's cheaper, more practical, or both. They did exactly that: they brought back the iPhone 5 design after a bigger iPhone was already out.

If anything, Apple has a track record of implementing features and design changes years after they've been available on Android devices: Face recognition, bigger bezel-less screens, fast charging, wireless charging, etc... the list goes on.

Therefore, the combination of latest Samsung smartphones implementing a fingerprint reader under the screen and reputable leakers suggesting the same for future iPhones are both good indicators of what's to come for Apple.
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Let me know when Apple actually says they are doing it officially. Until then, their current new products with Faceid exclusively (except budget and older phones/tablets still being sold) and Apple officially stating Faceid is the future for their biometric security many times doesn’t seem to convince holdouts.. The SE was a “special edition” and was never upgraded (unless you consider increasing storage an upgrade) or changed because it was only going to be offered for a couple of years and phones were/are trending towards a larger form factor. Don’t get me wrong, SE is a great device and I believe Apple should update it or offer a new device similarly sized but, Apple doesn’t seem to be interested in pursuing that segment of the market at this time...
 
Going to an SE, it's all about how much you like the smaller size phone for pocket convenience. I went from a 5s, which I absolutely loved, to my current 6s. I still have my 5s that I charge occasionally to keep the battery active, it will be my emergency phone in case my 6s fails or gets broken, and just handling it to do that tells me that I couldn't be happy in going back to that small of a phone for daily use. However, I have no problem with staying with touch instead of face recognition. As a matter of fact, when my phone is up for upgrade in August, I plan on going with an 8 rather than an X or XR.
 
BugeyeSTI said:
Let me know when Apple actually says they are doing it officially. Until then, their current new products with Faceid exclusively (except budget and older phones/tablets still being sold) and Apple officially stating Faceid is the future for their biometric security many times doesn’t seem to convince holdouts.. The SE was a “special edition” and was never upgraded (unless you consider increasing storage an upgrade) or changed because it was only going to be offered for a couple of years and phones were/are trending towards a larger form factor. Don’t get me wrong, SE is a great device and I believe Apple should update it or offer a new device similarly sized but, Apple doesn’t seem to be interested in pursuing that segment of the market at this time...
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Key words: at this time

That's because the iPhone SE is still a very capable device. It never needed an upgrade. Yes, it was a special edition model, but the fact that it came after a bigger iPhone 6 was already selling well doesn't mean that they don't go backwards. My SE feels faster than my X did. It's snappier. Maneuverability on the home screen is quicker, probably as a result of the small screen. I can do everything on my SE that I did on my iPhone X. Aside from having a larger screen (which most SE owners see as a downgrade), the X offered nothing spectacular over the SE. Many people don't like Face ID and don't care for animated emoji's. And I recall that wireless charging on the X was atrocious - it sounds great on paper, but it was very slow and unpractical. I found myself charging it through a wire. Now, fast charging was decent, but required that you fork out more money on a charger that you didn't get out of the box. Lots of new tech is gimmicky nonsense that's very impractical for everyday use.

Touch ID is lot more practical than Face ID for everyday use, assuming that both work equally as fast. There's simply no argument one can give against this claim.

With Face ID, you have to:
1. Point
2. Touch (swipe to open)

With Touch ID, you have to:
1. Touch

Apple is very careful with their wording. They never once claimed that Touch ID is gone forever. Not once. Just because they said that Face ID is the future doesn't mean that it cannot (or will not) coexist with fingerprint sensors.

I can assure you that there is need for Touch ID and its practical everyday use. That's why Samsung placed it under the screen in their latest flagship devices.
 
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JPack said:
Facial recognition is different from 3D facial recognition.

There's a big difference between complexity and accuracy between the two.
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It sure is, but we were talking about the idea of Facial Scan and not the implementation.
 
I personally couldn't do it, the X is small enough already. Whenever I see and hold an iPhone 5/5S/SE it feels so tiny and useless now. I can't even imagine how I did anything on that size screen. The keyboard is the worst part, its so miniscule and hard to type with.
 
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1050792 said:
It sure is, but we were talking about the idea of Facial Scan and not the implementation.
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You were talking about implementation, but I don't think anyone else was.

I stated that "Apple follows their own roadmap for biometrics" and indicated in 2011, Apple filed a patent for 3D facial recognition. They implemented that in 2017.

Apple follows their own roadmap for biometrics.
 
s54 said:
99%? Really?

I get a nice chuckle out of these types of claims. So that means 99% of the public owns an iPhone 6 or beyond?

LOL
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Not everyone owns an iPhone.
Every new phone today comes with a 5" screen atleast.
LOL ;)
 
1050792 said:
Not everyone owns an iPhone.
Every new phone today comes with a 5" screen atleast.
LOL ;)
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You must have meant every newly released or latest phone. You can still buy the SE brand new from Apple and it's 4".

Anyway, not everyone owns or wants to own the latest phone. Plenty of people refuse to pay a ridiculous amount of $1k+. For that kind of money, many people would rather opt for a new - decently-equipped - laptop and have money left over for a new - older generation - iPhone.
 
s54 said:
You must have meant every newly released or latest phone. You can still buy the SE brand new from Apple and it's 4".

Anyway, not everyone owns or wants to own the latest phone. Plenty of people refuse to pay a ridiculous amount of $1k+. For that kind of money, many people would rather opt for a new - decently-equipped - laptop and have money left over for a new - older generation - iPhone.
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Every new cheap phone comes with a bigger screen than the SE, and that's what 99% of users refers to. As you said "Plenty of people refuse to pay a ridiculous amount".
 
1050792 said:
Every new cheap phone comes with a bigger screen than the SE, and that's what 99% of users refers to. As you said "Plenty of people refuse to pay a ridiculous amount".
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False on all accounts.

1. SE is still being sold as new from Apple. It's not the latest phone, but it's new.
2. 99% of users don't own iPhone 6 or beyond.
 
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