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movieator

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Sep 17, 2009
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I am not upset this happened. This happens in big ecosystems like theirs. I am upset it’s been almost a week since I reported this and I feel like no one has really taken ownership of my problem. Literally every time I call I speak to a different person who needs to be updated from scratch. When they say they will call back they don’t.
That's exactly what happened to me today. Person who "took ownership" and was supposed to call me around noon never did. My case has a new "owner" now.
 

jprez1980

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Sep 22, 2009
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I am not upset this happened. This happens in big ecosystems like theirs. I am upset it’s been almost a week since I reported this and I feel like no one has really taken ownership of my problem. Literally every time I call I speak to a different person who needs to be updated from scratch. When they say they will call back they don’t.

This. This right here is why things become tiresome.. promised callbacks and promised updates in "up to 24 hours" and usually one or the other or both never occur. I expect people to talk straight and follow through when they say they will do something.

I'm actually on with an engineer now who seems to be knowledgable - keeps putting me on hold to check something or have me do something... happy to do it if there's real progress. So far, it's been screensharing (again) and obtaining logs from the Mac this time followed by something they want to do with my iPad now.
 
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movieator

macrumors 65816
Sep 17, 2009
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LA, CA
I'm actually on with an engineer now who seems to be knowledgable - keeps putting me on hold to check something or have me do something... happy to do it if there's real progress. So far, it's been screensharing (again) and obtaining logs from the Mac this time followed by something they want to do with my iPad now.
Keep us posted. As of right now, you’re our savior.
 

internetrando

macrumors 6502a
Jun 5, 2018
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Texas
This. This right here is why things become tiresome.. promised callbacks and promised updates in "up to 24 hours" and usually one or the other or both never occur. I expect people to talk straight and follow through when they say they will do something.

I'm actually on with an engineer now who seems to be knowledgable - keeps putting me on hold to check something or have me do something... happy to do it if there's real progress. So far, it's been screensharing (again) and obtaining logs from the Mac this time followed by something they want to do with my iPad now.
Hopefully they have a better solution than the one that I found. Don't forget step one! Again!

So I am in Catalina. Tried signing in a few times. It finally went through!!!!
Did it let you back into the promised land of end-to-end encryption??
 

ivanpasic

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Aug 8, 2013
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I managed to fix the issue..no thanks to Apple. I have no idea if this will work for anyone else, and I obviously take no responsibility for any of my own actions should you choose to follow them. My working theory was that if I could get a device to allow me to reset my end-to-end, I might make it out of the loop.

Big Sur would never give me the option to reset my data, so I figured I might as well try something stupid. I was at the point I didn't give a damn if I lost all of my messages and passwords.

Here's what I did:

1) Drank whiskey (may or may not help)

2) Wiped my laptop and my phone, and ensured both were removed from my account through appleid.apple.com

3) Downgraded my MacBook Pro to Catalina (fresh install through internet recovery) and signed into iCloud during setup

4) Same issue presented itself, so I continued to smash that Keychain button

5) Went on an endless aggravating loop of entering passwords over and over again--but it was at least consistently asking me to enter passwords in a predictable and repetitive fashion (unlike on my iPhone and Big Sur).

6) Drank more whiskey

7) Eventually, out of sheer aggravation, hit "Forgot Password" on the "third" password request (the one protecting your encrypted data) and I was finally presented with the option to "approve from other device" (there were none LOL). Forget that mess. Some more clicking around, and I had the option to reset my encrypted data. I smashed that reset button and watched as my computer locked up and crashed. Repeated several times and it finally went through.

8) Laptop appeared to be syncing with keychain, messages, etc. Several minutes of disbelief that something so dumb would/could actually work

9) Set up iPhone and everything worked perfectly.

10) Wiped laptop (again) and set it up fresh on Big Sur. Everything worked perfectly.

11) Pounded on my chest and declared "I AM ALL THAT IS MAN!" before my girlfriend told me to shut up and go to bed

Here's the kicker--it didn't erase anything. I have all of my messages, all of my passwords, and everything is completely intact. I expected it to be erased entirely and, quite frankly, I was OK with that outcome. So far, everything has been working as it should be (and was).

Happy hunting--hopefully this helps someone else out.
You my friend are a genius!
 
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jprez1980

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Sep 22, 2009
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For those that are following, this particular level 2 agent is in Austin, TX and claims there's been an influx of these types of issues but that it hasn't risen to the level to update the status page. Strange but sure, ok.

Next, he believes what has happened here is that the iPad became out of sync with the other devices due to:

1) Duration of non use of the iPad (it's been 2 months or so since I've used it - been working from home)
2) Passcode on the iPad didn't mirror the passcode on the other devices, I changed my screenlock code about a month ago but apparently the iPad didn't know it or didn't care - keychain and end to end encryption apparently uses your passcode and password somehow (no idea how, but sorta makes sense)
3) He wasn't able to fix it - he was hoping he could turn off 2FA authentication as that seems to point to the issue in the logs - a screen flashes by that should prompt for 2FA but it doesn't - it just blows by and continues with the spinning pinwheel.

Only real takeaway, he was able to remove the "too many codes sent" error - when I logged back into iCloud I was bombarded with codes.

Next up, trying this proposed fix referenced here now that I can get past the too many codes error.
 
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internetrando

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Dies this mean it’s an issue with Bug Sur? ?

No @internetrando said it worked for him when they went back to Big Sur
The issue presented itself while I was on Big Sur and iOS 14.7.1

I had to go back to Catalina to get things back into working order. I then wiped the laptop and reinstalled Big Sur. Everything has been smooth since the fix.

My guess is that there was something on the backend (server issues?) that screwed things up for a bunch of folks, and the current iterations of iOS and MacOS aren't coded in a way that allows people to reset their end-to-end like older versions of software are.
 
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ivanpasic

macrumors regular
Original poster
Aug 8, 2013
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The issue presented itself while I was on Big Sur and iOS 14.7.1

I had to go back to Catalina to get things back into working order. I then wiped the laptop and reinstalled Big Sur. Everything has been smooth so far.

My guess is that there was something on the backend that screwed things up for a bunch of folks and the current iterations of iOS and MacOS aren't coded in a way that allows people to reset their end-to-end like older versions of software are.
I am downloading Monterey beta, will try to go back to it. Will avoid Big Sur and 14.7.
 

internetrando

macrumors 6502a
Jun 5, 2018
687
500
Texas
For those that are following, this particular level 2 agent is in Austin, TX and claims there's been an influx of these types of issues but that it hasn't risen to the level to update the status page. Strange but sure, ok.

Next, he believes what has happened here is that the iPad became out of sync with the other devices due to:

1) Duration of non use of the iPad (it's been 2 months or so since I've used it - been working from home)
2) Passcode on the iPad didn't mirror the passcode on the other devices, I changed my screenlock code about a month ago but apparently the iPad didn't know it or didn't care - keychain and end to end encryption apparently uses your passcode and password somehow (no idea how, but sorta makes sense)
3) He wasn't able to fix it - he was hoping he could turn off 2FA authentication as that seems to point to the issue in the logs - a screen flashes by that should prompt for 2FA but it doesn't - it just blows by and continues with the spinning pinwheel.

Only real takeaway, he was able to remove the "too many codes sent" error - when I logged back into iCloud I was bombarded with codes.

Next up, trying this proposed fix referenced here now that I can get past the too many codes error.
Glad he was able to get you past the codes error. That should *hopefully* be the only thing that is holding you back. I don't think that the iPad is the issue here, although that is an interesting theory.
 

internetrando

macrumors 6502a
Jun 5, 2018
687
500
Texas
all my data is there! I actually didn't have to click 'forgot my password'. Just tried a few times.
Awesome! You had to do less than I did!!

Glad it worked for you. Let us know how things go when you get back onto Beta. I don't *think* that there will be any issues now that everything is back into working order.
 
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