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What should video pro do to improve his work flow with Video Production/Premiere Pro on his Mac Pro?


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@Bytehoven , I think I live in a world very similar to yours. Just with...well. Less monitors. But all the scrubbings you speak of are the kinds of scrubbings I've only dreamt about.

Did I make it weird? I just made it weird.

So, one last time for my own sanity:

Sooooo this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YNEIAWY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Nooooooooot this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YOJ91YO/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
 
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Well, the 2nd one is the AMP version which is overclocked to 1253-1355MHz. That's gonna make it use more power and generate more heat. IMHO, go with the standard one @ 1000MHz.

I thought you were looking at the GTX980 not the 980 Ti... if yes, this might save you some $$$

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1085202-REG/evga_04g_p4_2980_kr_geforce_gtx_980_4gb.html

If you look deeper into other versions of the 980, there are some cheaper versions that might be worth considering. You should note, the various fan designs are mostly about style for gamers.
 
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Oh man! I missed your edit and made the move on the GTX980Ti. Yeesh. One needs stealth vision for all the slightly differing naming variations on these things.

But, the TI will arrive on Saturday. And step one is downloading and installing the drivers, right? And then physically installing the GPU?

http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/88655/en-us

Dumb question alert: This install overview is mentioning OSX v10.10.5 very specifically. I'm on 10.11.2. Is...that...going to be an issue?

In the meanwhile I'm going to keep my eyes on ebay. There are a few swap services that take a deposit, send you a tray, and you send your former back to them and you get your desposit back. I may consider that from a down time perspective or just keep eyes open to other 12 core boxes as you suggested. It's certainly not difficult to swap the drives out...but sadly, I may be a little emotionally attached to *this* box specifically. We'll see how it all shakes out.

But, step one, hopefully complete with this GPU! I tell ya, I've been hemming and hawing on this one for a long time.
 
Hello guys. I have problems with playing h264 4K file on my Mac. I have 12 core (2.4ghz) mac pro, Samsung 840pro ssd connected to sata 3 adaper, gtx 980 and 24 gb ram.
The QuickTime playback is VERY choppy , when I'm playing the panas.fz1000 raw footage.
The same file is very smooth on my two pc's (i5 4950, and i7 3930k / both 16gbram)

What can be the problem?


Thanks
 
... the TI will arrive on Saturday. And step one is downloading and installing the drivers, right? And then physically installing the GPU?

Very good... I think in the long run you'll be happier with the 980 Ti. OK... installing...

With you're current GPU installed, you download the linked software you mentioned.

Start up your MBP and set up the screen share and connect to your Mac Pro, basically get it ready to go.

Then, with the 980 Ti ready to install, you run that software installer on the Mac Pro to the point of restart. Then you shutdown, remove your current GPU, install the 980 Ti, re-start the Mac Pro and you'll get a black screen.

Go to your MBP and look on the share screen. Go to the System Preference. Open the nVIDIA Driver Manager on the bottom. You should see OS X Default Graphics Driver checked. That's why you have a black screen. Set it to NVIDIA Web Driver and restart.

The 1st re-start up may take a little longer than usual, but you should be good to go.

I am doing this from memory, so if anyone has sees that I missed a step, please comment for JayQu.
 
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Hello guys. I have problems with playing h264 4K file on my Mac. I have 12 core (2.4ghz) mac pro, Samsung 840pro ssd connected to sata 3 adaper, gtx 980 and 24 gb ram.
The QuickTime playback is VERY choppy , when I'm playing the panas.fz1000 raw footage.
The same file is very smooth on my two pc's (i5 4950, and i7 3930k / both 16gbram)

What can be the problem?


Thanks

Sounds like the CPU single thread performance issue.
 
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I've decided a while back to completely max upgrade my cMP for 4K video work (specs in sig), mainly with Premiere Pro. I have no issues editing 4K footage real smoothly and have had excellent real-time and rendering performance across the board (albeit my upgrades may be a bit extreme in this case). But as it's my main work, I had an open budget to spend whatever since performance was of great importance, while staying in OS X.

I'd say the best upgrades to keep it at $2000 would be:
• Buy the 3.46GHz processor upgrades of Ebay and install yourself
• Go SM951 as a boot drive - using a Lycom adapter
• Some sort of fast storage for media reads/writes/scratch (I use 3 SM951's in RAID 0 on the AMfeltec 16x PCIE card, which is amazingly fast, but costly. Perhaps another SM951 on another adapter or use internal RAID 0 on the SATA with the latest HDDs for capacity)
• Nvidia GTX980 GPU - so worth it (although I use the non-flashed PC version, there is an option with MacVids)

Good luck. Let us know how you proceed.
 
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Is that the best place to start?

JayQu... can you talk more about your Premiere crashing? You also said the latest version of Premiere won't run on your rig?

I'm sticking with 10.10.5 for now and wonder if any of your issues are related to 10.11.2.

Do you have any other random program or system crashing?

Do you have your Apple DVD installer DVDs, including the Apple Hardware test DVD?
 
Actually, just recently did I take the leap to 10.11. I had been still on Mavericks (I was hesitant to upgrade because one of my clients still require me to rely on Adobe Encore <dvd authoring, eeks>, which Adobe officially stopped supporting after version CS6), and I wasn't sure if my USB 3.0 card would still work. Regardless, given how desperate I've been for the computer to feel new, I recently decided to throw caution to the wind and did the upgrade. So far I haven't ran into any upgrade casualties.

As far as the Premiere Pro crashes, there are a lot of factors. For the most part, the crashes happen during the complete renders of my documentary timeline (at just under 86 minutes). Now, to be fair, this particular file has a long and messy history. It's been through three editors counting myself, and was originally created in Premiere Pro 6.0. It's now a Premiere Pro CC 2014 project. Plus, due to the kind of film it is (different media types, different audio sample rates, different plugins <magic bullet, third party transitions, AE comps> ) it's had to deal with a lot. I've done my best to re-encode for consistency over the years, and deserted adobe dynamic link in favor of animation codec .movs with transparency for AE renders long ago.

But even scrubbing and sequence rendering would often slow the machine way down. Certain crashes seemed directly related to certain plugins (resulting in my rendering sequences out and re-importing with the effects burned in).

With premiere Pro CC 2015 (which I'd never intended on "upgrading" my documentary project to), it wouldn't even display video or audio on install. I took a few hours to try and trouble shoot one day...and while I got the audio working, no such luck on video. (Meanwhile, on my laptop <macpro 2012: 2.7GHZ Core i7, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, NVIDIA GeForce
NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M 1024 MB> premiere pro 2015 fired right up and worked as expected, so I just hung my hat on "damn these video cards are old". Still, even the laptop could never get through a complete render of my film's timeline. But, That could be due to all of the source footage being on an external usb 3.0 drive...as I don't have enough room on the lappy to transfer everything over for rendering.

To render my documentary from my desktop, my habit is to make sure the premiere pro file is ready to go in terms of the timeline I'm going to render, save, restart the computer and kill any sync services (Dropbox/Adobe/Google Drive), do nothing else except open Premiere pro, open the file, and render. That gives me about a 60/40 success rate in getting me a fully rendered file without crash. A render typically takes three or so hours. The other frustrating thing is there NEVER seems to be any consistency on when in the timeline the crash will happen. So, it's been a very frustrating issue to try and troubleshoot. And, the "A unknown error has occurred" crash message from Adobe isn't the most helpful thing.

Still, there's also been issues in working on smaller files for clients. For example, this AE project brought my desktop to it's knees, and...there's just *no* reason for that. As you'll see, it's not exactly a complex resource hungry project: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hbyrwtnl2nz112u/StandOut604x304.mp4?dl=0 Same with this one:

I know my Premiere Pro documentary source file has it's fair share of asterisks in what could be causing issues, but I'm still very optimistic that this investment will help me be able to render with a little more confidence. And, hopefully, work faster.

Fingers crossed.
 
1st may I say very nice work. I see lots of compositing in there.

OK...

IN my experience with ADOBE, their APPs love RAM, particularly if it's trying to render larger than normal geometries caused by compositing. At 24GB of ram, you're beyond the recommended amount of ram, however I'd personally suggest going with 48GB or even 64GB of ram, and letting ADOBE APPs use all but 10GB of memory left to the OS and non ADOBE APPs.

More on rendering composite builds... all it takes is one BIG file you have scaled down to use in the composite. The BIG file will set the over all geometry for the entire render. Often the program can run out of memory mapping the large geometry caused by a BIG file. I had this issue all the time in AE with source images over a certain number of pixels on one dimension. The solution was to modify all source images to be within a max range before I started compositing the project. I'd also note... when it comes to plug-ins, they too contribute to any limitations in the max geometry which the app can manipulate and render. Pre-rendering is a good solution and well supported in Premiere, but it would be nice to just be able to leave everything more flexible.

I'm wondering how you have your ADOBE acceleration set... I assume you have it set for CUDA on the laptop and OPEN CL with your current ADM card. Maybe there is something in that set up on you Mac Pro which might also cause an error. Once you have your GTX 980 Ti installed, you'll be able to take advantage of the full CUDA acceleration like your laptop.

Source video codecs... I know exactly what you mean. In a perfect world, all of your source video would be a ProRes variant of the appropriate quality setting, of the same format and frame rate. When it's not, taking the time to transcode offers great benefit but takes up more storage space. Sounds like you might have already done this, but you might expand on where you might have left things as they were.

Since we're on source material... tell me more about your storage solution.

Do you have any friends in the BIZ in your area? Friends with a Mac Pro maxed out the way you would like to do? If yes and if possible, you might try playing with one of your difficult projects on their hardware. I'd even consider spending some $$$ and having a freelancer with a high end mobile rig visit with you for some testing.

Lastly... have you spoken with any tech support folks at Adobe or the makers of the problematic plug-ins? There may well exist a log somewhere to help better determine what's happening and to help you root out the problem. Besides talking directly with the companies, there are some other great sources to follow. Creative Cow forums. Here is a great one http://www.media-motion.tv Subscribe to that email list server ... there is great ADOBE support as well as support from a number of third party developers AND some of the best AE designers in the world. I have not seen a question go unanswered or unresolved, and usually a problem you are having is one many other users would also like to get addressed and resolved.

I think you're on the right track upgrading your system. There are many ways to skin this cat as you noted, a newer nMP, a PC or upgrading your cMP. They are all worthy options and you are not making a mistake choosing to upgrade your cMP.
 
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Thanks Bytehoven. Appreciate the nice words.

Also, thanks for all of your continued support in all of this.

The challenge is, since I've lived in Atlanta (the documentary caused me and my wife to move out this way) I've been mostly working in a vacuum. And, funnily enough, most of my colleagues work in a world where all of their equipment is supported by...you know. Support staff.

In fact, I've already hit a snag that I'm stuck on.

This is what I'm seeing when I screen share into the mac pro, and I can't get a signal to the actual monitor from the mac pro:
screenie.gif


Why...would it think this thing is a Nvidia with 256MB of vRam? It's somehow not recognizing the card?

I'm using the NVIDIA drivers. In fact, downloaded a version specifically for 10.11.2 that I found here:
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/to...-capitan-update-01042016/page-16#entry2197424 (the version on NVIDIA's website was a no go for 10.11.2, and I found the above in hopes of avoiding starting from scratch on installing a former version of OS)

It basically is acting like it's flat out not seeing the card:
NvidiaWebDriver.gif


notSeeingCard.gif


I've double checked...as far as I can figure, I've got it all hooked up correctly, right? It's lit up. It's running Or I do I need another wire plugged into this thing for it to run full potential? I didn't use either of the wires that came with it as they don't look like they're for my mother board...but, there is an open "input" on the card left open. Sigh. SO. CLOSE. Or at least so I'd like to think...

cardInstalled.jpg


As ever, any feedback appreciated.

Frankly, at this point, I just hope I'm doing something really stupid – because I'd just love for it to work. :)
 
Power ports aren't optional.

That is a GREAT way to burn up the card.

Do it right or don't do it.
Obviously "right" is what I'm here trying to figure out. The wires that came with the card don't appear to play nice with the motherboard in the mac pro. So, I'm trying to gather what I need to do this "right" exactly.
[doublepost=1452977797][/doublepost]Ok. So as near as I can figure it I need one of these: http://www.amazon.com/6-pin-8-pin-V..._UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1SFY4EWHCP7GTYV9PSGH to go along with one of two existing 6pin to 6pin wires. Formerly one of these was powering each ATI video card, but now, the two will team up to power this new one.

Is that correct?
 
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Obviously "right" is what I'm here trying to figure out. The wires that came with the card don't appear to play nice with the motherboard in the mac pro. So, I'm trying to gather what I need to do this "right" exactly.
[doublepost=1452977797][/doublepost]Ok. So as near as I can figure it I need one of these: http://www.amazon.com/6-pin-8-pin-Video-Power-Cable/dp/B00PVJ2DNC/ref=pd_sim_147_1?ie=UTF8&dpID=417H0PoMLyL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160,160_&refRID=1SFY4EWHCP7GTYV9PSGH to go along with one of two existing 6pin to 6pin wires. Formerly one of these was powering each ATI video card, but now, the two will team up to power this new one. Is that correct?

Yes, sorry. Spelling out what power connectors were needed is something that was omitted from the discussion.

You do need a mini 6pin to 6pin and a mini 6pin to 8pin. That's what I am using. It limits the GPU to 75w + 75w from the (2) mother board mini PCI ports, but I have not had any problems and many others use the same set up. The alternative to get max power to the GPU is to use a 2x mini 6pin to single 8pin connector from the (2) mother board ports, and then a 15pin male SATA to 6pin connector fed from either the lower optical bay or one of the internal HDD slots. I have a set up for this but have not needed it. If you want to go the latter full power alternative, let me know and I'll better explain an easy way I found to do it.
 
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Yes, sorry. Spelling out what power connectors were needed is something that was omitted from the discussion.

Sigh. I know. I know. I'm like "super noob" here with this stuff. Thanks again, Bytehoven. For now, for simplicity, I figure I'll follow and go 6pin to 8pin adapter. Hopefully I didn't muck up the GTX in the meanwhile trying to get it to run with half power. The 6pin to 8pin arrives Monday.

To be continued...
 
In the last few months I have had 2 people burn up 980Ti by doing this EXACT thing.

They tried 10-20 boots and when they finally connected the power correctly the 8 pin was shorted to ground. Power running wrong direction burned through a diode, or something. Cards were 100% dead.

THE POWER CONNECTORS AREN'T OPTIONAL !
 
2 x 6 pin to 6 pin cables wouldnt work in this setup? My GTX680 with 1 x 8 pin and 1 x 6 pin works well with 2 x 6 pin cables. It seems like JayQu has two of these cables but one simply not connected?
 
Funnily enough I do have two of the 6pin to 6pins...and, while poking around with everything unplugged, discovered the other 6pin to 6pin did fit into the 8pin input on the GTX. But...I chickened out on trying that with power being fed through. Doing that is actually a viable solution?
 
Well, don't know about the GTX 980 (Ti) but for my GTX 680 4GB it has been working for the past 6 months 24/7. And the GTX 680 is more power hungry than the current generation cards

I am not sure what the problem would be MVC points out (although he is obviously a renown source when it comes to these issues). I also once tried booting when one of the two cables was not properly seated, it simply didn't power up. A simple reseating of the cables made it boot again, no problem.

As long as you make sure it is properly connected (only fits one way of course) I don't see the harm in trying to boot. In the end those 6 pin to 6 pin cables deliver the same amount of power as the 6 pin to 8 pin ones, there is no magical increase in power, only in lines to be spread over. And as I see it this is only redundant in case of a conversion from 6 pin to 8 pin. 8 pin to 8 pin would be different, because it can carry more power for having more connectors.
 
I have never heard of anyone using a 6pin -> 6pin in a 8pin connector. The issue with using the 6pin -> 6pin in the 8pin connector, which way would be the correct way? With the extra sockets to the left? Or to the right? Is it possible both ways will work, but one way will eventually fry the GPU? I don't know.

JayQu has a 6pin -> 8pin arriving tomorrow. I suggest he just be patient and use that cable.
 
There is only one way a 6 pin cable can fit in a 8 pin socket, look at the cutouts in the connector holes ;)
If the proper cable is coming in tomorrow anyway, yeah he can wait of course.
 

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