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Exio

macrumors regular
May 14, 2012
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You can spin it anyway you like. But the truth is, Samsung has copied apple.

What ignorance! :rolleyes:

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Samsung violated 4 of Apple's patents and as a natural response, Apple sued Samsung. How is that wrong?

And Apple's patents are completely vaild. Otherwise, the would have been rejected.

Any other company who actually cares about their product would do the same.

They weren't rejected due to the flaw in the US patent system. It's a gray area regarding software and vague patents like apple's.
 

dbrewster

macrumors member
Jul 6, 2012
54
0
Off topic: I have a question. Why is Google allowed to use its near-monopolistic earnings from search to distribute software for free, thereby "killing" the paid model by Apple, Microsoft, etc.?

On topic: Apple clearly created the current smartphone market as we know it. Those who say otherwise simply hates Apple. Do people realize the vision required to pull off this feat? It doesn't matter if Apple didn't invent the technologies that make up the iPhone. What's important is that they created the framework as to how such features are to be used and integrated into a product for the technology-shy masses. After such hard work, here comes Google wanting to distribute not only a similar software, but for free!

Simply put, to me, this doesn't make any sense.
 

nuckinfutz

macrumors 603
Jul 3, 2002
5,542
406
Middle Earth
Off topic: I have a question. Why is Google allowed to use its near-monopolistic earnings from search to distribute software for free, thereby "killing" the paid model by Apple, Microsoft, etc.?

On topic: Apple clearly created the current smartphone market as we know it. Those who say otherwise simply hates Apple. Do people realize the vision required to pull off this feat? It doesn't matter if Apple didn't invent the technologies that make up the iPhone. What's important is that they created the framework as to how such features are to be used and integrated into a product for the technology-shy masses. After such hard work, here comes Google wanting to distribute not only a similar software, but for free!

Simply put, to me, this doesn't make any sense.

Googles simply going to kill their own platform. If software and hardware vendors cannot make money with Android they will leave.

Google doesn't have a viable desktop strategy analogous to OS X or Windows so in the end I expect both Microsoft and Apple to prevail because both are working on their own sync technology (iCloud and Skydrive)
 

dbrewster

macrumors member
Jul 6, 2012
54
0
Google actually has a very forward-thinking desktop strategy called Chrome. Guess what? Its main purpose is to link users to Google's free, search-funded services.
 

nuckinfutz

macrumors 603
Jul 3, 2002
5,542
406
Middle Earth
Google actually has a very forward-thinking desktop strategy called Chrome. Guess what? Its main purpose is to link users to Google's free, search-funded services.

I know...thin client reborn. It's not going to fly. Microsoft and Apple have people welded to the platform. As long as desktop computers are sold the lions share will be divided between Redmond and Cupertino.

Google's influence extends only to the browser. I LOVED Google Search back in the days. Now it sucks. I could easily use Duck Duck Go and get on just fine.
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
Ignorance? Nope. Quite the opposite. Right down to the packaging.

Samsung has the phone model on the front of the box. Apple doesn't have that.

Samsung has a straight on view. Neither the iPhone 4 nor the 4S have that.

Inside packaging style? Was already done by the LG Prada in the first half of 2007 before the iPhone was available for sale:

2007_ke850prada_unbox.png

Packaging styles come and go. Did Apple make a plain box popular (again) for phones? Seems so. Did Apple invent that kind of packaging? Nope.
 

Mortalias

macrumors 6502
Aug 24, 2011
406
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Los Angeles, CA
Unfortunately, Apple has started a world war without considering the size of its opponents. They are going into battle guns blazing for now, until a Motorola/Google merger forces them to retreat with massive tanks.

Please Google/Motorola, be nice! I know you deserve to strike back at Apple based on what they've started, but just scare 'em a bit and we can all be a happy family again... right? :(
 

dbrewster

macrumors member
Jul 6, 2012
54
0
Motorola's patents aren't that valuable because majority are FRAND-pledged. Also, Apple has a friend in Microsoft when it comes to litigating Android licensees. If Motorola's patents are indeed smoking guns, it wouldn't have used FRAND-pledged ones on its offensives. Besides, governments around the world are taking a deep look at Googrola for abuse, so to some extent their hands are tied.
 

ajvizzgamer101

macrumors 65816
Mar 3, 2008
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Absolutely ridiculous. I seriously feel like throwing my macbook out the window right now. Apple is being anti competitive and its not right. The galaxy nexus is not a copied product.

I don't believe it's anti-competitiveness that drives Apple to do such things, but personal issues between Apple and Google. I honestly believe if Android was the number 3 phone OS and Windows Phone was the second OS they would still try to ban Android devices and not Windows Phone. With that said, I still believe the patent system for software is completely flawed.

I signed this: https://defendinnovation.org

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Yea, the GN looks just like the iphone! :rolleyes:

Image

Which one is the iPhone?
 

kdarling

macrumors P6
Motorola's patents aren't that valuable because majority are FRAND-pledged.

To be more specific:

FRAND patents are not that valuable in patent knife fights, since many countries frown on them being used to try for injunctions.

FRAND patents are almost always already proven valid, which gives the owner a nice firm standing point.

FRAND patents are better for the longterm, as they provide guaranteed income during their period. It's usually nearly impossible to design around a standards patent, so it must be licensed, no question. The better your competitor does, the more income you have from your patents.

FRAND patents can also be used as leverage to gain cross-patents. ETSI rules state that members are allowed to require cross-licensing IP if you want a lower rate (*). This is the primary rule that Apple (and other small or new members) want to go away. The last time ETSI members tried to change that rule around 2000, though, they failed.

(*) In the early days of ETSI, Motorola owned over 50% of the patents. They required either that you buy equipment or chips from them, or if you didn't want to do that, you had to cross-license with them.
 
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