Here's why I prefer polycarbonate to cheap metal...

[hyteckit]

From what I've seen, no one is using the rhetoric that you are using and have used in the past. But if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, because I am following this thread loosely. Don't see what the problem is.

What does this have to do with Apple? Please, if Apple wasn't using aluminum in their phone right now, would you really go out of your way to rise to the defense of aluminum in this forum? If you don't see how this is connected to Apple, oh well.

I said how is this Apple versus Android?

Are you saying only Apple uses Aluminum and no Android devices use Aluminum?

I only got into this thread when someone said Aluminum was cheap. It's not, compare to steel when building cars.

Just stating my preference for Aluminum portable devices.




No one is using the rhetoric that I'm using?

Haha... okay.. says the guy who only follow this thread loosely. You must not be following this thread.
What rhetoric is that? Care to bring up an example from this thread?

Why don't you follow Switchback666's rhetoric in this thread.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Thanks for admitting it.

I don't know why me saying Aluminum is resistive to corrosion would lead to such a heated argument when it is an actual true and factual statement.
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Because you kept repeatedly denying that the initial oxidation which protects the aluminium is a form of corrosion.

I was simply trying to correct you.

Maybe I'm being pedantic but I thought it was an important distinction to make.

 

[aerok]

The one time I put a phone in my back pocket

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So no, plastic isn't any better

... Grabbing an image from the web does not mean you actually own the phone. Troll again.

 

[Switchback666]

Thanks for admitting it.

I don't know why me saying Aluminum is resistive to corrosion would lead to such a heated argument when it is an actual true and factual statement.

I'm betting it's because the iPhone 5 uses Aluminum and some who would attempt to find anything negative to say about Apple.

Nope aluminum actually corrodes fairly fast and its pos, theres nothing good about corrosion its just letting you know that ***** about to hit the fan; resistive my ass like i say go ask the navy if they continue to use it on firearms aswell nickel plated aluminum wich tarnish like nothing.

Aluminum was used on the iphone because is cheap, the whole body is made out of scrap and nothing more if they opted for giving a satin/media blast finish (mbs) on the iphone 5 whe wouldnt be having these discussion; the anodizing will chip fast and it will look extremely ugly without proper care; honestly people that re-sell iphones to buy the next one will be more hurt these time.

You want all around best metal ? The humble 316L stainless steel is your buddy.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Aluminum was used on the iphone because is cheap

It's also light

 

[hyteckit]

Because you kept repeatedly denying that the initial oxidation which protects the aluminium is a form of corrosion.

I was simply trying to correct you.

Maybe I'm being pedantic but I thought it was an important distinction to make.

Sickboy.

Read the first thing I said about corrosion and Aluminum.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/16382855/

"Aluminum is very resistive against corrosion."


As for the difference between corrosion and oxidation:

Corrosion is the gradual destruction of material.
Oxidation is the interaction between oxygen molecules and other substances.

Many things that interact with oxygen molecules goes through the oxidation process.
Our human body goes through oxidataion.
Plastic expose to oxygen goes through oxidation and turns yellowish or brownish.
A freshly cut fruit goes through oxidation and turns brown.
Cooper goes through oxidation and turns green.

 

[Switchback666]

It's also light

These i dont understand the obssesion with light and thin these days.

 

[hyteckit]

Nope aluminum actually corrodes fairly fast and its pos, theres nothing good about corrosion its just letting you know that ***** about to hit the fan; resistive my ass like i say go ask the navy if they continue to use it on firearms aswell nickel plated aluminum wich tarnish like nothing.

Aluminum was used on the iphone because is cheap, the whole body is made out of scrap and nothing more if they opted for giving a satin/media blast finish (mbs) on the iphone 5 whe wouldnt be having these discussion; the anodizing will chip fast and it will look extremely ugly without proper care; honestly people that re-sell iphones to buy the next one will be more hurt these time.

You want all around best metal ? The humble 316L stainless steel is your buddy.

I wonder how many guys register a few days ago just to troll this site.

 

[Switchback666]

I wonder how many guys register a few days ago just to troll this site.

I guess when you dont have nothing to say you resort to these ? Maybe the forum started with your username allready built-in ? Maybe that reference you made its worthy of a "report" but i dont waste my time on it unlike others

 

[G51989]

All 100% user error.

So, Apple making a phone that literally can't be kept in a tight pants pocket is user error?

Or the phone just isn't strong enough. I've never heard of any other iPhone...or ANY phone for that matter having these issues.

I do not own a iPhone 5, but it looks like the older iPhone generations and I own 2 of them ( one a work phone, one no longer used ). But these phones don't seem to have this same failure rate.

 

[Technarchy]

So, Apple making a phone that literally can't be kept in a tight pants pocket is user error?

Or the phone just isn't strong enough. I've never heard of any other iPhone...or ANY phone for that matter having these issues.

I do not own a iPhone 5, but it looks like the older iPhone generations and I own 2 of them ( one a work phone, one no longer used ). But these phones don't seem to have this same failure rate.

Wear some tight jeans and rock an iPhone 5 in your back pocket and tell us what happens.

Till then, I have no idea if some fat sad slob sat on his phone and is now bitter because it broke.

Same nonsense happened with "broken glass-gate" with the iPhone 4S. Clumsy butter fingers has a price with nice phones. Not the phones fault.

Some people should not have nice things.

 

[lordofthereef]

^ I am sure every bent iPhone 5 is a result of obesity. I am so sure that it is not even worth discussing.

Have you seen the One X? Almost as thin...

7.5 versus 8.9 mm. That's nearly a 16% difference. There is thin, and there is TOO thin. The One X is actually a lot closer to the iPhone 4/4s, which measure 9.3mm.

 

[ChazUK]

Till then, I have no idea if some fat sad slob sat on his phone and is now bitter because it broke.

The insults some people hurl in defence of an inanimate object really is incredible.

Glad you admit you have no idea what went on but doesn't that mean it's also wrong to assume assume they're all caused by "fat sad slob(s)"?

Let's all blame it on the fatties!

Some people should not have nice things. Like the iPhone 5 and a high intake of KFC.

 

[lordofthereef]

Sickboy.

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"Aluminum is very resistive against corrosion."


As for the difference between corrosion and oxidation:

Corrosion is the gradual destruction of material.
Oxidation is the interaction between oxygen molecules and other substances.

Many things that interact with oxygen molecules goes through the oxidation process.
Our human body goes through oxidataion.
Plastic expose to oxygen goes through oxidation and turns yellowish or brownish.
A freshly cut fruit goes through oxidation and turns brown.
Cooper goes through oxidation and turns green.

You are actually talking about oxidative corrosion in these examples. Here is a thesaurus too, which leaves out all the fancy chemistry.. If a metal is involved it is oxidative corrosion.

So yes, the oxidation of a metal is corrosion. Rust is just the form of the oxidation or corrosion of iron. Iron must be present in a metal for it ti rust. Iron does not need to be present in a metal for it to oxidize or corrode.

 

[G51989]

Wear some tight jeans and rock an iPhone 5 in your back pocket and tell us what happens.

After college, I sometimes wore some pretty tight pants ( not EMO or girl tight pants ), Ive had a mini Pacntech dumb phone, an Ngage QD, a LG flip phone, an iPhone 3GS, HP IPAQ Pocket PC, Blackberry Curve, iPhone 4S, Samsung Replenish, Samsung Galaxy S3, And Palm III in my back pocket, and have from time to time sat on them, I also keep my phones in the front and back pocket, depends on how much stuff I have with me.

So your saying the iPhone 5 has inferior durability all of the above phones? Because none of them had a problem.

Till then, I have no idea if some fat sad slob sat on his phone and is now bitter because it broke.

I am not a fat slob thank you very much, but I know plenty of " flat slobs " who keep their phones in front and back pockets, sometimes sit on them, and the phones don't break, bend, or fail. Where the iPhone 5 does.

Same nonsense happened with "broken glass-gate" with the iPhone 4S. Clumsy butter fingers has a price with nice phones. Not the phones fault.

So, a phone that breaks when dropped is somehow a good thing? Apple, regressing the durability of phones!

Some people should not have nice things.

And people who do want nice things should avoid the iPhone 5, and wait till the 5s, where they hopefullly address this quality issues.

 

[Technarchy]

Some people should not have nice things. Like the iPhone 5 and a high intake of KFC.

I'd be more worried about regular visits to the chip shop in that part of the world.

After college, I sometimes wore some pretty tight pants...

And here is where I check out...

 

[SlCKB0Y]

So yes, the oxidation of a metal is corrosion. Rust is just the form of the oxidation or corrosion of iron. Iron must be present in a metal for it ti rust. Iron does not need to be present in a metal for it to oxidize or corrode.

Oh, thank you!

 

[G51989]

I'd be more worried about regular visits to the chip shop in that part of the world.



And here is where I check out...

Someone is in denial.

Deny it all you want.

Apple produced an inferior quality phone. Which is not up to the same durability levels its predecessors were.

Deny it all you want, the truth is. As far as being durable goes, the iPhone 5 is inferior to the earlier iPhones.

Comes out of the box damaged, loose change can damage it, putting it in your pocket will damage it, people are returning it 5-6 times to get one without damage.

Great phone. I'll pass, and stick with phones that don't come broken out of the box.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Someone is in denial.

Deny it all you want.

Apple produced an inferior quality phone. Which is not up to the same durability levels its predecessors were.

Deny it all you want, the truth is. As far as being durable goes, the iPhone 5 is inferior to the earlier iPhones.

Comes out of the box damaged, loose change can damage it, putting it in your pocket will damage it, people are returning it 5-6 times to get one without damage.

Great phone. I'll pass, and stick with phones that don't come broken out of the box.

Is anyone surprised by the responses of Apple apologists? I mean, they're practically saying "you're pocketing it wrong."

Technarcky, Hytetic and their ilk think they're helping Apple, when they're actually doing disservice. Real fans would be the first to admit shortcomings.

But oh well. At the end of the day, its their own loss for not being intellectually honest. They're the ones that have to use iOS.

 

[hyteckit]

You are actually talking about oxidative corrosion in these examples. Here is a thesaurus too, which leaves out all the fancy chemistry.. If a metal is involved it is oxidative corrosion.

So yes, the oxidation of a metal is corrosion. Rust is just the form of the oxidation or corrosion of iron. Iron must be present in a metal for it ti rust. Iron does not need to be present in a metal for it to oxidize or corrode.

It's a thesaurus. What does your link prove?

Oxidation can mean corrosion. And gay can mean happy.

So if you are happy, you must be gay in all its definition of gay?

From your link:

Corrosion is the act or process of destroying a metal or alloy gradually.


Oxidation in Aluminum results in a protective layer that protects against corrosion.

Photosynthesis involves oxidation. So when a plant goes through photosynthesis, it's corroding?

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Is anyone surprised by the responses of Apple apologists? I mean, they're practically saying "you're pocketing it wrong."

Technarcky, Hytetic and their ilk think they're helping Apple, when they're actually doing disservice. Real fans would be the first to admit shortcomings.

But oh well. At the end of the day, its their own loss for not being intellectually honest. They're the ones that have to use iOS.

You are the one not being intellectually honest.

onthecouchagain is such a google defender and apologist. You get all giddy like school girl talking about Nexus 10, Nexus 4, Chrome, Google Now, and anything Google.

Still in denial that Nexus 4 has bad battery life?

Oh the problem with Nexus 4 problems isn't real.
Oh the problem with Nexus 4 is just a bug and not widespread.
Oh the battery life will magically be fixed with when Nexus 4 is release.
Oh Nexus 4 problems not fix, but hey, the next Android update will fix all the problems right?

OMG, the problem with Aluminum is real cause it's the iPhone!!!

onthecouchagain, you are in such denial and a Google apologist.

At the end of the day, its your loss for not being intellectually honest. Your are the one who has to deal with the Nexus 4 crappy battery life.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Oxidation can mean corrosion. And gay can mean happy.

So if you are happy, you must be gay in all its definition of gay?

The oxide is formed by the conversion of some of the aluminium into aluminium oxide. This is corrosion and this is the "destruction" that you seem to want to keep mentioning in your tunnel-vision definition of corrosion.

At this point you're either trolling, someone who can't understand what is a pretty basic concept or someone who can't admit when they are wrong.

Either way, welcome to my ignore list.

 

[ChazUK]

I'd be more worried about regular visits to the chip shop in that part of the world.

A problem I know too well!

The Scots have it covered though!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep-fried_Mars_bar

Deep fried Mars (US: MilkyWay) chocolate bar. Doesn't work well with iPhone5!

 

[hyteckit]

The oxide is formed by the conversion of some of the aluminium into aluminium oxide. This is corrosion and this is the "destruction" that you seem to want to keep mentioning in your tunnel-vision definition of corrosion.

At this point you're either trolling, someone who can't understand what is a pretty basic concept or someone who can't admit when they are wrong.

All oxidation goes through a chemical change with "oxygen".

Photosynthesis goes through oxidation and converts carbon dioxide and water into oxygen as a byproduct.

Next you tell me Photosynthesis is corrosion.

Either way, welcome to my ignore list.

Good. Because you keep accusing me of saying things I've never said.

I ask for proof and you never provide any.

I'm still waiting for to back up your accusation that I said "all Samsungs being made of crappy plastic as well"

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/16385032/

You can't because you just make up stuff to back up your own rhetoric.

This is your 3rd time making baseless accussations about what I've said and failed to provide proof to back up your claim. There's a word for people like you. Starts with a 'L' and ends with 'iar'.

 

[hyteckit]

The ergonomics of the iPhone 4S stunk, but aesthetically speaking, 100% agree. Particularly, the white one.

Speaking of rhetoric.

Want to clarify your statements instead of making baseless rhetoric?

The ergonomics of the iPhone 4S is awesome.

The Note 2 ergonomics suck. Here's why:

1. one hard use is bad. Impossible to use with one-hand in most instances.
2. placement of power button is awful. I hit the power button by accident multiple times a day. I put the Note 2 in my car cup holder, the the power button gets accidently pressed.
3. The volume buttons are too big and too easily push. Again, pushed it by accident many times. It's one inch long!
4. The touch buttons on the left and right of the physical home button is poorly designed. Often touch those buttons accidentaly especially in landscape mode when viewing webpages or playing a game.
5. Having to take out the back cover and remove the battery in order to take out my SIM so I can swap it into my iPhone 4S.
6. No hold switch.

Man, I wish my Note 2 has the same excellent ergonomics of my iPhone 4S.

 

[onthecouchagain]

What's interesting is no one is really talking about the practical advantages of using plastic.

The ability to have SD card expansions; removable, replaceable, easily serviced, easily extended batteries; NFC and NFC tags; wireless charging (I think?); custom back plates; easily replaced backplates should one somehow get it damaged; less scuff-prone...

I mean, Samsung chooses to use plastic, and chooses to continue using removable backs precisely for these advantages. In fact, Android users throw their hands in protest when OEMs don't have plastic/removable backs. It means they lose those features.

So all things equal between plastic and aluminum, plastic at least opens the gateway to other uses. I think that's worth mentioning.