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I was responding to where you said you'd consider your nexus 4 a flagship device, albeit barely...
With that I will completely agree. And not to mention some of the best support in the Custom ROM community.
If thinking the GN has terrible hardware makes me a troll then I guess I am. I will argue that the 3GS screen is better. In places where I used to have service with iPhone 4, I didn't. I couldn't even send texts while at work and I don't remover a time where I ever had an issue getting service with my 4 and with my 3GS I also have 0 problems. So you can tell me the 3GS has worse reception but I've used both in th same location and one gets service and the other doesn't. I'm not here trolling. I wished I would have liked it. I really wanted a vanilla android phone.
exactly......
Maybe a 1.5 quad-core, 2gb ram, 8mp camera just isnt high end enough ?
better camera and battery life wouldn't hurt....
You really think 480x320 with horrendous contrast and view angles was better than a super amoled 1280x720 screen. Even considering pentile the galaxy nexus has much better clarity than the 3gs. The 3gs's color were also incredibly washed out and the view angles were atrocious.
Yes I can honestly say that I think this screen looks better. You can rattle off the specs all you want but in my usage the 3GS screen is superior to the GN.
You honestly must be on crack. A non IPS lcd screen with 480x320 being better than a superamoled 1280x720 screen. Thats absurd and I have seen both screens in person. The 3gs's screen was one of the worst on the market when it was out. Even the original motorola droid had a 854x480 resolution at 265 ppi vs 163ppi for the 3gs. The difference between 316ppi (gnex) and 163 ppi (3gs) is gigantic. And the colors and contrast were so washed out on the 3gs display that no one could honestly call the colors accurate either.
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I'm not sure. I crash landed here as a child. When I woke, I remembered nothing but the City of Gold. *looks up to she* *spin dashes off*
Somebody's sure to understand
You really are crazy, or your love for Apple has gone way beyond normal into psycho.
I don't think Google would "make" a "Flagship" high-end phone that would directly compete with whatever manufacturer they had make it's own flagship phone (if that makes sense, lol). You guys gotta remember, Google doesn't make these phones, other companies do. And those companies have their own flagships out there. So, why would, for example LG (who made the N4), make a phone for Google that is as good or better than their own flagship and sell it off-contract for half the price?
The Google phones are more for those who want to "try" Android out without using their carrier contract upgrade and/or not spending $600+. I would say the N4 is a great phone, and a steal for $300/350. The battery life isn't bad anymore with 4.2.2 (it's not epic, but it gets me thru the day), and the fact that it doesn't have LTE doesn't bother me at all, since it's not in my area. The only thing that bugs me is the camera, but I still have my iPhone 4S laying around, along with a few other dedicated cameras. So, that's not a concern.
Sure, these are personal opinions, but you can't beat a phone like this for the price.
The Google phones are more for those who want to "try" Android out without using their carrier contract upgrade and/or not spending $600+. I would say the N4 is a great phone, and a steal for $300/350. The battery life isn't bad anymore with 4.2.2 (it's not epic, but it gets me thru the day), and the fact that it doesn't have LTE doesn't bother me at all, since it's not in my area. The only thing that bugs me is the camera, but I still have my iPhone 4S laying around, along with a few other dedicated cameras. So, that's not a concern.
Sure, these are personal opinions, but you can't beat a phone like this for the price.
Hmmmm...
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"Motorola X is the Motorola NXT; blurry image and rumored specs leak"
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High end nexus phone
Supposedly the X Phone will not be a Nexus. And probably the Nexus 5 will launch this fall.
The Nexus 4 is very much a "high end" phone. It was released in 2012, and easily has top specs matching or beating all other high end Android phones released in 2012.
Compared to HTC's One X, and Samsung's Galaxy S III, the Nexus 4 is the better phone; faster processor, more RAM, longer battery life, great IPS screen.
What else should LG and Google have done ? Yes I could see LTE, but that's about it.
Compared to HTC's One X, and Samsung's Galaxy S III, the Nexus 4 is the better phone; faster processor, more RAM, longer battery life, great IPS screen.
What else should LG and Google have done ? Yes I could see LTE, but that's about it.
Better camera, better battery, removable battery, microSD slot, 1080p display, better speaker, and fix the aggressive thermal throttling problems.
Compared to other 2012 Android phones, the Nexus 4 has better processor, more RAM, battery life for me has been fantastic, @ 5h On Screen time, and overall around 14 to 16 hours total per day. I never once had the phone heat up. And removable battery is becoming more rare, only Samsung offering that now, Apple, HTC, Motorola, LG, Nokia, all went to fixed batteries.
Sure the camera could be better I agree, and speakers, they seem ok, not great not bad.
Compare the Nexus 4 to the other top phones of 2012, the Galaxy S3, the One X, and iPhone 5, Nokia Lumia 920, Motorola MAXX-HD. I am not saying the Nexus 4 is the best #1 of them all, but it sure isn't at the bottom of the pack either.
I'll take the Nexus 4 over the S3 and One X all day long. Better battery life, faster / smoother, + stock Android.
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Compare it to the Droid DNA and its resolution is nothing special. And it is the same CPU and RAM. But just because the CPU is around the top of the list doesn't mean it is far. You have to take into account the aggressive thermal throttling that is not apparent in other smartphones with the same CPU. So while although it may have the same CPU as others, its performance is worst.
And then we can compare the battery life to the Note II or Motorola. There are phones that can beat out anything on the Nexus 4.
And the original argument was "What else should LG and Google have done?"
Well the answer is still very simple. If they wanted to stay competitive for more than 3 weeks, I stick with my previous answer.
"And removable battery is becoming more rare"
That is no excuse for somebody to not implement it. If everybody stopped implementing feature X does that mean it shouldn't be considered anymore? Of course not, because that would be stupid.
Really, there is a lot Google could have done. They released a phone at the end of 2012 to compete with phones that were released in the first half of 2012. Whereas now it won't really compete with phones coming out 4 months after it, but instead was more meant to compete with phones 6 months before it.
Nexus phones are never meant to be top of the line best hardware and best tech of the year type of phone. That's just not their thing. They try to design them with very good hardware spec's, but never the best, and sell it at an affordable price.
The Nexus phones are about the OS software #1.
All those other phones you mentioned cost a good 75% to 100% higher. Of course a phone that's twice the price should be way better, but none of them are way better than the Nexus 4, just a bit better here and there.
Ok.
I don't have an issue with battery life, but hey, I'm always open to a larger capacity.
Meh, not really an issue. The vast majority of people don't care if the battery is removable or not.
Meh. I don't miss it one bit. I have all my video and songs available to my phone, and haven't used a single kilobyte for it to be there. The vast majority of people don't care about external storage.
Sure you can always Monday morning quarterback and later on say, "hey they should have went 1080p"... In the end, it's still a high definition display, and a display that looks quite good. Sure 1080p would be great on paper, but let's be honest, on a display that size it's more of bragging rights than something that actually brings a tangible difference.
I like the N4 speaker better than I did the GS3, and I thought the GS3 speaker was pretty decent.
This is only an issue for message board people that are in love with benchmarks. In the real world, this so-called thermal throttling "problem", isn't a problem at all. The N4 is far from slow, and performs quite well. This is a non-issue.
It's performance is worse? How did you come to that conclusion, exactly?
Honestly, I don't think you've said anything compelling at all. For the most part, all I've heard is spec sheet filler, not anything that really makes a difference. Let you tell it, you'd think the phone was obsolete lol.
Umm no...no they released a phone that exceeded the crop of phones that were out at the time. Heck, even the upcoming HTC One doesn't have wireless charging, while the N4 does. There is no denying that the N4 was cutting edge at the time of its release. I hate to break it to you, but that's the way technology goes. It has been almost half a year since the N4's release, technology is going to continue to move forward. Guess what, 6 months after the release of the phones you mentioned earlier, there will be phones with better/newer technology. Does that mean the manufacturers failed? Does that mean they should have included something better? No, that's simply the way it works in the tech industry.
Compete in what? Benchmarks? That surely must be what you're talking about, because anything outside of that makes no sense. Sorry, but you're WAY off the mark.
The iGentleman, you said that perfectly.
Not sure what strausd is expecting, like SuperPhone spec's, all the best parts of each phone combined into one.
In his world the nexus 4 should have had the HTC Droid DNA 1080p screen + Motorola's MAXX 3300mAh battery + internal hardware from the Samsung Note 2, all put together into one phone. Uh, ok, then you woke up.
Again, that has never been the Nexus philosophy, it's never been a super top spec'd phone, it's not supposed to be. Google calls it their "developer" phone, it's all about the OS, and just needs pretty good hardware to run it. And finally they sell it for half the freaking price, of all other high profile phones.
Not sure what strausd is expecting, like SuperPhone spec's, all the best parts of each phone combined into one.
In his world the nexus 4 should have had the HTC Droid DNA 1080p screen + Motorola's MAXX 3300mAh battery + internal hardware from the Samsung Note 2, all put together into one phone. Uh, ok, then you woke up.
Again, that has never been the Nexus philosophy, it's never been a super top spec'd phone, it's not supposed to be. Google calls it their "developer" phone, it's all about the OS, and just needs pretty good hardware to run it. And finally they sell it for half the freaking price, of all other high profile phones.
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Oh my gosh. Do you not know how this even started? I never said the Nexus was the best. I am not arguing that it is the best. I am not arguing that it is the worst. Go back and read my other comments. All I am saying is that if people think the Nexus 4 is a flagship device, then it barely fits into that category.
You said "What else should LG and Google have done?" And this is one of them.
The vast majority of people also won't be looking into a developers phone. This is another thing LG and Google could have done to improve the Nexus 4.
So all features should go through you for approval?
Again, you asked what they could have done, and I simply told you something they could have done.
And the display doesn't even come calibrated. In order to make the display actually looking somewhat decent, you need to install a custom kernel. So this is another thing they should have done.
Well I think the Nexus 4 speaker sucks. So who do we go by, me or you? Or should the company just ask themselves if they can make it better. And if the answer is yes, they should do it. Simple as that.
Too bad that's not true at all. There is more to it than just performance. The Nexus 4 only has 1 heat sensor inside. This controls how fast the CPU and GPU can go as well as how fast the device can charge. So in addition to thermal throttling causing dropped frames in games, which IS noticeable, it will also significantly slow down charge time. If I am playing a hardware intensive 3D game for an hour while plugged in, it won't charge nearly as fast thanks to aggressive thermal throttling.
It has been reported in multiple places that the Nexus 4, thanks to only having 1 sensor, throttles performance sooner than other phones with the exact same CPU. And that causes dropped frames.
A better battery is something that won't make a difference? A better camera is something that won't make a difference? Allowing the user to quickly put in a fully charged battery whenever they want won't make a difference? Easily giving the user the ability to add storage space when they need it don't make a difference? Making images, movies, and text crisper won't make a difference? Allowing you to hear your movies and music better without headphones won't make a difference? Making your games play back smoother won't make a difference? What the **** is wrong with you?
Apparently you can't read:
Clearly I said that they were competitive at first. But that just didn't last longer. And hopefully you caught that I was exaggerating on the 3 weeks, but who knows. Maybe that flew over your head. A more accurate time line would be 3 months.
Apparently you think that the only difference between every phone is benchmarks. This may be news to you, but there are other things that makes phones stand out: resolution, battery, storage, camera, and overall smoothness.
I was never expecting anything. I can even quote myself where I say that I consider my Nexus 4 a flagship device, but only barely. There are too many things where it falls short when compared to other phones. Need me to re-quote myself on that too to make it easier on you?
No, in my world the Nexus 4 would have a battery that lasts an entire day without me having to charge it. In my world the camera wouldn't suck. In my world the speaker wouldn't suck. Apparently those are too much to ask for of what Google calls its "Flagship" device. Maybe you should wake up and see that this phone falls short in many areas.
Holy crap, you really don't understand. The only reason I brought all this up was because The iGentleman simply asked "What else should LG and Google have done?" And I simply answered with what they could have done. Is it a crime to you for answering someone's question?
