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knowing apple thy will handle the new firewire exactly the same like they handled fw800: use it for differtianting products artificially which means pro towers get it exclusive for 1 - 1/2 years and then the others get it
which means looking at the FW 800 that the market simply died before it got started since nobody bothers releasing lots of external stuff for it
is there actually a non apple computer using fw800 ? i've never seen one in the wild
Not that i have ever seen. There are a plethora of FW800 drives and card readers and PCI cards and junk, but I don't see many PC makers putting them in their machines standard. Then again, I don't see them putting anything other than USB 2.0 in their machines standard.
The only hope that I have for S3200/FW3200 is that Apple will continue to NOT have control over the introduction of the standard. So far, from what i have read, it will be compatible with FW800 buses, so all one would need is a piece of hardware that uses the standard/bridge.
What about something like this?
I think something like this is exactly what Apple needs to capture all those PC people who are stuck in their ways. They want a desktop, but looking at the mini, they immediately think "There's no way that will work for me." However, a mid tower would be what they're used to seeing.
The picture isn't mine, but it is credited on the page.
http://www.theapplecollection.com/design/macdesign/Apple_3GHz.html
The reason the iPod is so successful with the Windows crowd is that it isn't all that too far removed from what they're used to. Change is slow.
Now about the tower itself, I would prefer an aluminum design, with the cheese-grater, albeit on the scale of that.
Something like this would also make sense as a desktop when you have a MacBook Air, instead of having to go for the iMac or all out for the Mac Pro.
I think something like this is exactly what Apple needs to capture all those PC people who are stuck in their ways. They want a desktop, but looking at the mini, they immediately think "There's no way that will work for me." However, a mid tower would be what they're used to seeing.
The picture isn't mine, but it is credited on the page.
http://www.theapplecollection.com/design/macdesign/Apple_3GHz.html
The reason the iPod is so successful with the Windows crowd is that it isn't all that too far removed from what they're used to. Change is slow.
Now about the tower itself, I would prefer an aluminum design, with the cheese-grater, albeit on the scale of that.
Something like this would also make sense as a desktop when you have a MacBook Air, instead of having to go for the iMac or all out for the Mac Pro.
PM me when the apple TV can browse the internet, read my mail, rip DVD's, play DVDs uncompressed with full 5.1 audio and act as a backup to my main computer if it goes down.
Thanks
sorry but it supports 2 screens, now 4GB RAM, a 1TB internal drive and FW 800 external drives. So really the only thing that it might not have is PCI support and upgradable graphics. Unless you are talking about buildabox PCs, not much out there supports upgrading CPUs. And 98% of the time the only argument for PCI slots in a midlevel is for a TV tuner and likewise for upgradable graphics is gaming. Well elgato offers tv solutions and gaming, get a ps wii 360.
That is almost exactly what I'm looking for, but I really take offense to your view of us being "stuck in our ways."
That reeks of the Apple elitism that is so damn pervasive; do you really know better than me about what I need as a consumer?
"Used to seeing?" What the hell man? You think that we should have to settle for a crippled notebook platform "desktop" because the Almighty Jobs says so?
Sorry, but this really gets me. "Change is slow?"
Please enlighten us to all of the wonders of cutting edge technology that Apple has the corner on that the PC side doesn't (OS X aside).
Does Apple get the Intel procs & chipsets before the PC side?
Did Apple have the first computer with an SSD HD?
Did Apple even make the first PMP?
We should be so impressed because Apple has one product that dominates its market? *sigh*
Please enlighten us to all of the wonders of cutting edge technology that Apple has the corner on that the PC side doesn't (OS X aside).
Does Apple get the Intel procs & chipsets before the PC side?
Did Apple have the first computer with an SSD HD?
Did Apple even make the first PMP?
We should be so impressed because Apple has one product that dominates its market? *sigh*
High end mac mini will be in the same price range of low end / refurb iMac. Given the same price, people would get the iMac.
So I guess you might want to check out the refurb section for refurb iMac.
Refurb Mac Pro are sometimes available for $1899.
Yes Apple TV can do all of it. (and of course i know a certain user would say that is not official apple, so it doesn't exist in your eyes / won't work for you). DVDs just need a usb drive for $50, works.
Hackers Dissect Apple TV to Create the Cheapest Mac Ever
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/news/2007/04/appletvhacks_0406
Edit: this guide came out weeks after release of Apple TV. More recent guides are much easier. (of course, looks like some haters are having a field day, but of course, they don't know what they don't know).
It doesn't even have a DVD drive, nor can you connect a keyboard to it, so no it can't do most of it.
Sorry, I'm not going to buy an Apple TV and then spend 100 hours breaking it so I can't keep up with patches so I can get one - maybe two of the things I mention above.
If I wanted to waste my time hacking hardware and software to get it to do what I wanted, I'd keep using my windows box.
LOL, someone's in denial.
THAT GUIDE WAS MADE LAST YEAR, weeks after Apple TV was released. More recent guides are much easier.
It works fine with any USB keyboard / mouse / DVD drive, just as any Mac.
Yes, someone is. His name is consultant.
Hacking an Apple TV is not a realistic answer to my needs any more than a 24" iMac is.
I never said it will fulfill your needs.
Why don't you list the the specs/features/price of your ideal imaginary computer?
Will the electric company sell me some deeply discounted
refurb kW-hrs to keep all them empty drive bays warm?
...it's not about price, it's about sanity,
LK
oh yeah external expansion devices ... the super argument for an "all in one" computer
how about adding a card with hdmi ? or a little bit more cutting edge display port ? does the imac support those ? because those will come around more and more the next years or how about esata which is becoming standard .. and external TV tuners ? fantastic looking at the huge amount of choice of devices with os x support currently
supports 4 GB of ram ? wow great ... try finding a PC motherboard which doesn't ...
does the imac support 1066mhz ddr2 memory ?
can you add additional usb connections without using a desktop space cluttering USb hub ? 3-4 USB connectors in the year 2008 is kidna measly
does it have surround sound capability out of the box without need of external hardware ? or can i at least at it internally if i want to ?
can i upgrade it with a blueray drive if i want to 2 years down the lane when they have become cheaper ?
can i _add_ another internal hard drive if the first one gets full in 2 years ? you know after there are plenty of people who prefer to buy hard disk memory when they need it and not when they buy a new computer
can wii 360 and ps3 run Medieval II, or company of heros ? or faces of war ? or the upcoming Empire : total war... the witcher ? or hellgate london ?
This post shows your true lack of knowledge.
The performance difference between desktop CPUs and Mobile CPUs is EMMENSE. Plus, not all RAM is created equal. The iMac uses SO-DIMMs which aren't as powerful (yet are more expensive) as standard DDR2.
1TB sounds big now but 200GB sounded big 6 years ago, yet I've managed to overflow my HDDs (yes I was forced to get an external and that, too, is full). I don't want to daisy-chain peripherals all over my desk, especially those that could easily be INSIDE my machine. It doesn't need to be an ugly process either. If an xMac would feature simple trays like the MacPro, the case innards would still look delightful and make upgrades a snap.
As for gaming, why buy an additional piece of hardware when most games are either written for PC or migrate over shortly after the console counter-parts. Buy a $500 PS3 when I could just buy a $150 (max) card? Talk about fiscally idiotic.
With exception of the Wii (which I own), console gaming, IMO, is inferior to the PC gaming experience.
-Clive
I don't know. I remember reading with disgust a few articles on how Apple prick teased several gaming companies - saying they're all ears on how to get Mac games out, then not returning their calls.
(EA, or maybe even Valve or similar).
Are the specs of Apple products converging with the minimum specs to play games via Bootcamp (XP or vista) or native? It seems sometimes like they're parallel, with each gen of Apple laptop at least being under the threshold. The only one that fits the bill is the Mac Pro, which is the Pro version. Hence the feel for a lack of a desktop that has the cajones to run the recent games.