I used to care but now it’s not a must have. But like someone said, if we’re gonna pay high prices for these phones then we might as well have it
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Other Honestly, does 120 Hz even matter on iPhone displays?
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I’ve just very recently gone from a 12.9” 2017 iPad Pro to a 2018 11” iPad Pro and i absolutely cannot see any difference in terms of screen quality or refresh rate.
Oh yea 100%. I don’t think anyone here (that I know of) is against a 120 Hz display or a smaller notch. I'd be surprised if I see one. Improvements in any way are still improvements and I'll welcome it with open arms.
(But smaller notch is a different subject so I’m not going to get into that here.)
It's just a wonder why some people make such a big deal about not having a 120 Hz display and I'm open to hear their opinions if they feel strongly about it. I still think the new iPhones are going to be good products that a lot of people will enjoy, with or without the 120 Hz.
I guess I’m just trying to refer to the classic advice on tech: If you need it now, and you see the value that improves your life, then just get it. Don’t always wait for the next big thing because there is always going to be a next big thing.
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I think the reason people make it a big deal is because of the kind of relationship Apple shares with its consumers. It's not like Samsung or OnePlus where if you get bored with one iteration of a product, you just hop across companies with no thought at all. Apple functions best as an ecosystem and its customers trust and invest in it heavily, with iPhones, Macs, AirPods, etc. There is an additional layer of trust its customers place in it, which is also what makes it such a juggernaut.
The flip side though, is that since people are so fully invested in it, they expect to be rewarded for it and that only means Apple being the best they can be. And to be honest, that's quite obviously not the case with the new iPhone 12 line up. After 3 years, dedicated customers want a few extraneous things to make them feel like they are buying into a real refresh, like a smaller notch and 120Hz displays. They want to feel justified and proud of owning the latest, greatest iPhones. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that expectation because of how much trust these consumers have placed in Apple with their time & money. This kind of brand loyalty also requires the brand to acknowledge the people who got them to that point.
It's not about "needing" tech for the value. It's about the relationship Apple has built with its customers and how it's currently not respecting them the best that it can.
I honestly don’t notice the difference between my iPad Pro and iPhone. When I switch to my Macbook however it’s definitely noticeable. I feel like 120Hz on a small screen really doesn’t have that much advantages. I can see why some people are upset tho, other phones have had this for over a year now.
If it were to come to iPhone then I’d personally disable it if possible to preserve battery life.
If it were to come to iPhone then I’d personally disable it if possible to preserve battery life.
I can’t say I’ve ever thought I need it on my phone. I’ve never noticed any issues with scrolling until I read on here that some really really need 120Hz.
I think it's like someone else mentioned in this thread FOMO playing a huge factor in why people want 120Hz on their $1000 iPhone. All these tech reviewers talking about how "smooth and awesome" 120Hz is and then shoving a slowmotion comparison to a 60Hz display in our faces. Ofcourse it's noticeable if you shoot a video of it comparing it with a 60Hz display and then slowing that video down 5x/10x.
The average user does not need or care about 120Hz on their phone, it's just a number that's hyped up so much by tech reviewers which make it seem like 120Hz is a requirement to have a great display.
Instead of hyping up the 120Hz display like they did on the OnePlus 8 Pro / Note 20 Ultra they should maybe mention the horrible display issues these display have when the brightness gets below a certain threshold and that Samsungs "fix" for the display issues on low brightness was literally upping the minimum brightness.
For me, personally, a high-quality, color accurate display is more important than a number like 120Hz.
I also want to make clear that I'm not against it at all, it just has to be done right and shouldn't cause any other display issues.
I personally have never switched it off on my 2018 iPad Pro. But battery on iPads have never been an issue for me. On iPhones, it might be. We're just going to have to wait and see.
It can't be switched off on iPads which will only use the higher refresh rate when necessary such as scrolling, pencil stuff, etc.
I don't think a higher refresh rate would make much of a difference on an iPhone which is already incredibly smooth compared to Android. I personally couldn't care less if the iPhone gets it or not.
There's something up with that video as I have an iPhone X and there's no way scrolling is that choppy (I wonder if it's exaggerated because of the framerate of the video itself). I switch back and forth between my iPP and iPhone and not once have I said "man I wish this X had Pro Motion". I've even turned off ProMotion and on my iPP 10.5" I couldn't tell the difference. On the 12.9" I can tell but it's a much bigger display. On the small iPhone displays I don't think it's that big of a deal.
iPhones have always been really smooth and whenever I always went into Best Buy to look at a Pixel or Samsung they were always so choppy. So of course at 120Mhz they probably look really smooth now.
If anything, that video has further convinced me I’m not that bothered whether it has it or not.
Slow-mo video are 100% pointless.
You need to see it in person or at the very least watch the comparaison with video running @ 120 fps with a screen @ 120 Hz or more.
Thanks for posting. There were times I could discern some differences, most of the time I couldn't. Based on that video, I would say 120mhz is for me, is something that would make little difference. (Clearly a nice to have, given a trade-off of battery life...it's not worth it.)
For me, it's about producing the best absolute product as can be humanly designed and built. If 120mhz is not ready for prime time, if it needs to be flipped to the off position to save battery or doesn't work well in specific situations or needs a massive battery to sustain decent screen time thus making the phone heavier...that is not delivering an optimal experience.
The bottom line, with so many customers (in the upper hundreds of millions), apple never be able (for the most part) to design a phone to the exact specifications of a broad base of that broad base.
No, but I'm not claiming it's representing the actual experience.
I will admit, most (or all?) of the videos are a comparison, which acts as a distraction to the real point: are there enough frames per second to be sufficient? Read on, please.
This is indeed the aspect I was attempting to showcase.
Yes, scrolling on Web pages, for example, will be more noticeable because of the varied/separated content. However, pay closer attention to the folder opening and app switcher/manager demos. Because they're transformations or shifts/movements of a single object, the motion appears more seamless and much less distinguishable (even at a slowed speed). The behavior is explained in the second video.
Ultimately, I think, the following is a fair statement of why the criticism of demanding 120Hz displays is valid.
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I also very strongly agree.
Was playing around with high refresh android phones for a bit and was reminded why I like Apple, so eventually I switched again. But going back to the 60 Hz display was painful, whereas I didn’t even care before. It’s very noticeable to me.
let me tell you something incredibly important. iPad pro displays dont really stay at 120hz. Its most likely around 90 or 100. S20 displays locked at 120hz on the other hand are jaw dropping.
I tested this myself with my friend, we both went into an apple store and tried the iPad display. Meh, it was noticably smoother but nothing jaw dropping. Then we went and tried the S20 display with 120hz enabled and DAMN it was night and day difference. S20 stays locked at 120hz while the iPad doesnt. If Apple puts a 120hz display, they will not make it locked at 120hz like the S20, because it will be more power efficient that way, but let me tell you, theres a hige difference between the S20 one and the iPad one. Apples implementation os 120hz doesnt really do much for me. Samsungs does tho. I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max, not a samsung guy by any means by the way
I tested this myself with my friend, we both went into an apple store and tried the iPad display. Meh, it was noticably smoother but nothing jaw dropping. Then we went and tried the S20 display with 120hz enabled and DAMN it was night and day difference. S20 stays locked at 120hz while the iPad doesnt. If Apple puts a 120hz display, they will not make it locked at 120hz like the S20, because it will be more power efficient that way, but let me tell you, theres a hige difference between the S20 one and the iPad one. Apples implementation os 120hz doesnt really do much for me. Samsungs does tho. I have an iPhone 11 Pro Max, not a samsung guy by any means by the way
Ignorance is bliss. I’ve never seen 120, I’ve never seen OLED, when I look at my devices, I think, wow these look nice!
We don't even have 120Hz on our super expensive 16" Macbook Pros or 27" iMac Pros. It's really not necessary for a phone (with small screen and small battery).
I don't even notice it on my iPad Pro unless i really want to... so i doubt i would see a difference on the Phone.
Since i sit in front of a 60Hz monitor all day (work) and mostly use the Macbook at home, probably just got used to it over the years and it feels "normal".
Since i sit in front of a 60Hz monitor all day (work) and mostly use the Macbook at home, probably just got used to it over the years and it feels "normal".