iPad How come MacRumors hate the iPad?

[Juicy Box]

I have never had Onedrive erase anything on me. Sounds more like user error than anything with ms.

I hate Onedrive. Ever since my org switch from networking drives to just Onedrive, it has been very problematic.

It could very well be the way my org implemented it, but still, it is totally believable to hear that someone has had issues with Onedrive, at least to me.

 

[HDFan]

I've worked on flight s/w and spacecraft s/w and the deployed systems had bugs even with the extensive, in-depth testing they went through.

There certainly is software that requires high levels of reliability. The ones you mention, nuclear power, telephone, utility software, etc. To the extent that this software is static, i.e. needs no changes for many years, any bugs present in the initial release would likely be fixed. Interested in seeing the differences in testing, number of bugs, etc. between these mission and life critical implementations and typical business or consumer software.

 

[sparksd]

There certainly is software that requires high levels of reliability. The ones you mention, nuclear power, telephone, utility software, etc. To the extent that this software is static, i.e. needs no changes for many years, any bugs present in the initial release would likely be fixed. Interested in seeing the differences in testing, number of bugs, etc. between these mission and life critical implementations and typical business or consumer software.

You'd be amazed at what problems get through. I worked at the system/architecture level and was heavily interested in failure forensics. For two good examples of catastrophic s/w failures, Google "Thera-25" and "Ariane 5 disaster". Or what happened when the first F-22's flew to Japan and the redundant inertial reference systems crashed on crossing the International Date Line -

https://www.engadget.com/2007-02-27-f-22-raptors-systems-crash-mid-flight-over-pacific.html

Systems like these are deployed with a significant number of known and documented bugs - it's the unknown ones that can really bite you bad.

 

[The point and shoot pro]

I have to take the blame for starting the argument. At the end of the day I don't care who uses Windows or whatever else. And for the longest time, because of the "bad old days" in the 90s, I refused to use Macs ever again. Things change.

Me either, just putting my experiences out there.

 

[Camarillo Brillo]

The only reason to buy an iPad is for pencil support for digital artists. Literally anything else would be better handled by a simple MacBook Air.

 

[sparksd]

The only reason to buy an iPad is for pencil support for digital artists. Literally anything else would be better handled by a simple MacBook Air.

May be true for you but certainly not for all. Definitely untrue if you want a tablet form factor.

 

[Night Spring]

The only reason to buy an iPad is for pencil support for digital artists. Literally anything else would be better handled by a simple MacBook Air.

For any use that involves lots of typing, this may be true. But for reading / browsing the Internet, I much prefer the iPad to a laptop. Keyboard really gets in the way when I'm mostly just reading.

 

[Camarillo Brillo]

I also find ipads too large and unwieldy when I can hold my iPhone in one hand and do all of the same things. A macbook air can sit on my lap or on a desk. An ipad is just awkward imo. It needs a separate stand and/or keyboard to sit on a desk, and there’s no hands free way to set one on my lap angled properly for viewing.

Of course I only speak for myself, but those are my experiences with ipads.

 

[The point and shoot pro]

I also find ipads too large and unwieldy when I can hold my iPhone in one hand and do all of the same things. A macbook air can sit on my lap or on a desk. An ipad is just awkward imo. It needs a separate stand and/or keyboard to sit on a desk, and there’s no hands free way to set one on my lap angled properly for viewing.

Of course I only speak for myself, but those are my experiences with ipads.

Everyone’s use cases are different. For me, the purchase of my Logitech keyboard makes a world of difference. I do use my iPad for lots of different things. Reading magazines, books, typing articles and scripts, and more. It’s a great do all device for my wife and I.

 

[Night Spring]

I also find ipads too large and unwieldy when I can hold my iPhone in one hand and do all of the same things. A macbook air can sit on my lap or on a desk. An ipad is just awkward imo. It needs a separate stand and/or keyboard to sit on a desk, and there’s no hands free way to set one on my lap angled properly for viewing.

Of course I only speak for myself, but those are my experiences with ipads.

In theory, you can, but to me, iPhone screen is too small to comfortably browse websites, or to type anything longer than short text messages. As for using iPad on my lap, I find it comfortable to sit with my knees raised and balance the iPad on my legs, and use my hand to adjust the angle a bit when needed. For extended video viewing, I bought an iPad pillow, there are many kinds on Amazon.

 

[The point and shoot pro]

In theory, you can, but to me, iPhone screen is too small to comfortably browse websites, or to type anything longer than short text messages. As for using iPad on my lap, I find it comfortable to sit with my knees raised and balance the iPad on my legs, and use my hand to adjust the angle a bit when needed. For extended video viewing, I bought an iPad pillow, there are many kinds on
Amazon.

I’m with you on that one. My eyes are so bad now I have to hold my iPhone at arms length to see it. Ha ha. I would love if the iPhone 15 pro max included Apple Pencil support. That would rock imo.

 

[Atomic1977]

Truth be told ipad is not meant to be a computer and it never will be. I
pad may make some things easier to do and is more mobiie but nothing will ever replace the computer for all it does.

 

[NastyMatt]

In theory, you can, but to me, iPhone screen is too small to comfortably browse websites, or to type anything longer than short text messages. As for using iPad on my lap, I find it comfortable to sit with my knees raised and balance the iPad on my legs, and use my hand to adjust the angle a bit when needed. For extended video viewing, I bought an iPad pillow, there are many kinds on Amazon.

Agreed. Example, I have an IPP 12.9 and I spent a day working with a friend who bought along his iPad Mini (not latest as it had a button) and his iPhone. Too many websites gave additional functionality to me over him - which ever device he used and even tho he was requesting the desktop version all the time.

It does amaze me the amount of people on this forum (not looking at you NS) who base their entire view of an iPad purely on their sole use and push those views as fact - with zero appreciation that others might have a different requirement/opinion. I have a MBA M1, MBP (2017) and an IPP 2020. The IPP does sit on a MK and it is my go to device, I am a COO of a company and run it completely from the iPad.

Is it perfect? Not yet, but then neither are the MBA or MBP. Do I think it is the right device for everyone? Nope.

 

[snakes-]

I am a tech guy and tried to use an iPad, for me it was horrific experience. Simple tasks like format external ssd or something else is not possible with ipad. Even my special apps dont work on iPad. Sometimes i need Chrome with full load of extensions no way on ipad. Thats why i hate ipads and returned it long ago. Macos on iPad is the thing apple dosent want to give us, but this is the only solution to everything.

 

[iPadified]

I am a tech guy and tried to use an iPad, for me it was horrific experience. Simple tasks like format external ssd or something else is not possible with ipad. Even my special apps dont work on iPad. Sometimes i need Chrome with full load of extensions no way on ipad. Thats why i hate ipads and returned it long ago. Macos on iPad is the thing apple dosent want to give us, but this is the only solution to everything.

Do you expect that all apps for Windows exist and work with MacOS as well? Your experience fall back on yourself 100% because you did not to the necessary investigations before purchase.

 

[Abazigal]

I can't say I have experienced any work-stopping bugs on either my iOS devices or Macs that would make me want to throw them out of a window in frustration.

 

[The point and shoot pro]

Do you expect that all apps for Windows exist and work with MacOS as well? Your experience fall back on yourself 100% because you did not to the necessary investigations before purchase.

Actually all apps that Microsoft make are available on iOS. But they are not as good, so maybe he looked and saw that what he needed was, indeed, in the app store, but once using them found out that they are crap compared to on windows.

 

[Camarillo Brillo]

I am a tech guy and tried to use an iPad, for me it was horrific experience. Simple tasks like format external ssd or something else is not possible with ipad. Even my special apps dont work on iPad. Sometimes i need Chrome with full load of extensions no way on ipad. Thats why i hate ipads and returned it long ago. Macos on iPad is the thing apple dosent want to give us, but this is the only solution to everything.

Really the ipad is an iPhone with a big screen, not a mac replacement. So far the only compelling arguments for an iPad in this thread are as a drawing tablet (my own suggestion), and for reading with bad eyesight. Mine is still pretty sharp so to me the iPad is mostly a big and heavy and awkward iphone that takes both hands to use. Once you add a (not cheap) keyboard case so you can actually get some typing done on it, you might as well have just bought a base m1 macbook air. I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place, I know a lot of people love them. I use mine occasionally, but usually it’s just when my iPhone is charging and I want to check my email.

 

[sparksd]

Really the ipad is an iPhone with a big screen, not a mac replacement. So far the only compelling arguments for an iPad in this thread are as a drawing tablet (my own suggestion), and for reading with bad eyesight. Mine is still pretty sharp so to me the iPad is mostly a big and heavy and awkward iphone that takes both hands to use. Once you add a (not cheap) keyboard case so you can actually get some typing done on it, you might as well have just bought a base m1 macbook air. I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place, I know a lot of people love them. I use mine occasionally, but usually it’s just when my iPhone is charging and I want to check my email.

Reading with bad eyesight? Hardly. Are you talking about your own? It's certainly not universally applicable by any means.

 

[tech8mate]

While it is possible that some users or contributors on the website may express negative opinions about the iPad, it is important to remember that opinions can vary widely among individuals, and that one person or entity cannot be said to "hate" a particular product or brand as a whole.

 

[prospervic]

Really the ipad is an iPhone with a big screen, not a mac replacement. So far the only compelling arguments for an iPad in this thread are as a drawing tablet (my own suggestion), and for reading with bad eyesight. Mine is still pretty sharp so to me the iPad is mostly a big and heavy and awkward iphone that takes both hands to use. Once you add a (not cheap) keyboard case so you can actually get some typing done on it, you might as well have just bought a base m1 macbook air. I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place, I know a lot of people love them. I use mine occasionally, but usually it’s just when my iPhone is charging and I want to check my email.

People coming from a Mac/PC mindset will never “get“ the iPad. It’s not supposed to replace your desktop OS, it’s meant to be a mobile substitute, and in some way go way beyond. Just one example: having a touch piano keyboard allows for direct input, and greatly enhances my music composing while away from the studio. And what about pilots who no longer have to lug around heavy, bulky flight manuals?

I’m puzzled by power users who buy an iPad thinking it will do what their Mac or PC does and then get bitterly disappointed. No one expects a motorcycle to do everything that a car or SUV does! But like the iPad a motorcycle gets you to your “destination” with far less bulk and complexity.

 

[iPadified]

Really the ipad is an iPhone with a big screen, not a mac replacement. So far the only compelling arguments for an iPad in this thread are as a drawing tablet (my own suggestion), and for reading with bad eyesight. Mine is still pretty sharp so to me the iPad is mostly a big and heavy and awkward iphone that takes both hands to use. Once you add a (not cheap) keyboard case so you can actually get some typing done on it, you might as well have just bought a base m1 macbook air. I’m not saying it doesn’t have its place, I know a lot of people love them. I use mine occasionally, but usually it’s just when my iPhone is charging and I want to check my email.

Think beyond the desk please.

 

[Aneres11]

I picked up an IPP 12.9” (2022 model) earlier this week and have been absolutely blown away by it.
I have had iPad’s before, never the 12.9, but not had one for a few years now and the last one I tried was the updated iPad Mini when that came out. That was quickly returned, as for the price of it, the screen was just awful. I didn’t enjoy using it at all and found the size a bit pointless for me outside of the Kindle app, which is really where it shone.

I wanted an iPad, as my Chromebook (what I use for most of my web needs) is years old and will no longer receive updates from June this year, so it was either go for another Chromebook, or do something else.
I went for an iPad in this size as to be honest, I wanted the best screen. I watch content on my Chromebook and hated how bad the screen was on that (was pretty low res) and I’ve been chuffed with the screen on the 12.9 IPP.

I picked up a Magic Keyboard today. Really ummed and ahhh’d over whether to pay such a lot of money for it as I didn’t know whether I would even like it but I was finding the iPad difficult to hold for extended periods and missed a keyboard so thought I’d give it a go and at least I could return it to Apple if it wasn’t suiting my needs.
Typing on it now and wow. I am chuffed with it.
For my uses, this is the absolute perfect combination. All I ever used my Chromebook for was web browsing, streaming content, emails, forum posting / Reddit and YouTube, (couple of hours each day), and having this set up now makes all of that a much nicer experience.
I have also started to use this iPad as a magazine reader which has been a great experience.

I know that the overall cost of this combo is very expensive, and compared to a replacement Chromebook it is eye watering, but the iPad pairs great with my AirPods, I can pull it right of the Magic Keyboard and use it in ‘tablet’ mode as a traditional iPad and still get that experience, but I love how this now just sits on my lap really sturdy and lets me use it like a laptop. It’s the best of both worlds that these Chromebooks try to offer (touch screen, screen flipping right over into ‘tablet mode’) but just falls short in comparison.

I don’t plug things in to my iPad, I don’t need MacOS otherwise I would buy a MacBook. I’m really pleased with the experience the iPad and Magic Keyboard is giving me so thought I’d post in here seeing as there seems to be very conflicting views across the board!

 

[Camarillo Brillo]

Reading with bad eyesight? Hardly. Are you talking about your own? It's certainly not universally applicable by any means.

Read the rest of the thread, that was what other users here suggested, not me. I literally said in the next sentence that my eyesight is pretty sharp so its not an issue for me.

People coming from a Mac/PC mindset will never “get“ the iPad. It’s not supposed to replace your desktop OS, it’s meant to be a mobile substitute, and in some way go way beyond. Just one example: having a touch piano keyboard allows for direct input, and greatly enhances my music composing while away from the studio. And what about pilots who no longer have to lug around heavy, bulky flight manuals?

I’m puzzled by power users who buy an iPad thinking it will do what their Mac or PC does and then get bitterly disappointed. No one expects a motorcycle to do everything that a car or SUV does! But like the iPad a motorcycle gets you to your “destination” with far less bulk and complexity.

Tell me you’re not a piano player without telling me you’re not a piano player lol. Musical keyboards on a touch screen are a total gimmick. A cool one sure but not a real music composition tool by any means, unless you’re playing one note at a time I guess?

Some of you guys are getting oddly offended by my opinion about the iPad, you sound like you’re trying to sell them

I think its great that iPads work for you. I’m just saying its by far my least used apple device.

 

[Digitalguy]

People coming from a Mac/PC mindset will never “get“ the iPad. It’s not supposed to replace your desktop OS, it’s meant to be a mobile substitute, and in some way go way beyond. Just one example: having a touch piano keyboard allows for direct input, and greatly enhances my music composing while away from the studio. And what about pilots who no longer have to lug around heavy, bulky flight manuals?

I’m puzzled by power users who buy an iPad thinking it will do what their Mac or PC does and then get bitterly disappointed. No one expects a motorcycle to do everything that a car or SUV does! But like the iPad a motorcycle gets you to your “destination” with far less bulk and complexity.

To be honest the iPad could easily replace a Mac or PC hardware-wise if Apple wanted. Does that mean nobody should buy a 12.9" iPad pro with Magic Keyboard because it does not have desktop OS and software and because it costs more than a MacBook? Absolutely not. iPad pro has its place and market. I am very glad with what I can do with iPadOS and its apps. Would I take the option of dual booting MacOS or even Windows on ARM? Sure if it ever comes.
But what the iPad is it's not what Jobs said 13 years ago (for a basic iPad by the way, not the pro, which came later), or what some random person on the Internet says. It's what Apple decides it to be... Anything else it's just personal opinions.