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How do I convince my parents...

""The notion that discipline is the measure of a good parent is absurd...""

Uh, Hector, a father who loves his son teaches and corrects him. He's on his son like white on rice -- but discipline does not mean punishment -- it means instructing watching, correcting, helping, encouraging, showing the way etc.

The dad who does NOT do these things, the father who could give a rip as about what his son is doing doesn't love his son. Disciplining a child means correcting them and teaching them -- this is love. You teach your child not to walk into the middle of the traffic The parent who doesn't care just lets 'em play whereever. Sorry. Discipline, i.e. teaching and correcting, is the sign of love. Parenting is passing down wisdom this way.

Plus, you who used to have an avatar of Che G., are lecturing about totalitarianism? Hello. Move to Cuba or N. Korea and then tell us in the States how totalitarian we are. You know what happened to gays in Che's paradise, Cuba, by 1965? Don't think you wanna know.
 
Coheebuzz said:
When i was 12 i wanted a Mac LC really bad...
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That's funny, when I was 10 my Dad just brought an LC home. Said System 7 was the newest thing, I didn't know what that meant, but the rest is history. Vette! anyone?
I remember doing animations in Kid Pix by drawing each frame and doing a slide show at a fraction of a second a picture. Good times.

UCLA, Berkely, and UCD. Long shots indeed, but not impossible. Good Luck.
And I still say wait until you get close to going to school (might get a better deal from your parents).
 
GimmeSlack12 said:
UCLA, Berkely, and UCD. Long shots indeed, but not impossible. Good Luck.
And I still say wait until you get close to going to school (might get a better deal from your parents).
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I figure that San Diego will be more of a long shot than Davis and Santa Cruz. Davis, I've heard, (no offense to anybody) is the easiest UC to get in to besides Merced, Riverside, and Irvine (Merced being the easiest; 100% of all eligible applicants were accepted last year since it's a new school).

I also applied to Northwestern (my dad and uncle are alum's), Brandeis, and George Washington (and the IELP program).

UC decisions for Davis come out on the 15th, and the rest are towards the end of March.
 
California said:
""The notion that discipline is the measure of a good parent is absurd...""

Uh, Hector, a father who loves his son teaches and corrects him. He's on his son like white on rice -- but discipline does not mean punishment -- it means instructing watching, correcting, helping, encouraging, showing the way etc.

The dad who does NOT do these things, the father who could give a rip as about what his son is doing doesn't love his son. Disciplining a child means correcting them and teaching them -- this is love. You teach your child not to walk into the middle of the traffic The parent who doesn't care just lets 'em play whereever. Sorry. Discipline, i.e. teaching and correcting, is the sign of love. Parenting is passing down wisdom this way.

Plus, you who used to have an avatar of Che G., are lecturing about totalitarianism? Hello. Move to Cuba or N. Korea and then tell us in the States how totalitarian we are. You know what happened to gays in Che's paradise, Cuba, by 1965? Don't think you wanna know.
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Discipline; the practice of training people to obey rules or a code of behavior using punishment to correct disobedience.

:rolleyes:

teaching does not equal discipline

discipline is a sign of the parents failure to teach before the child does wrong.

say for example i'm on my pc playing WoW, my dad will ask me to stop as i've been on all day, but will not tell me to stop either i a) stop and concede his point willingly 2) dont stop and suffer the consequences CASUED by my own action, aka no time to do anything else.

now my dad could of stormed up and told me to get off the PC and make me do school work, this may work in the short term but i'll resent him and as soon as he go's to bed i'll go straight back on to spite him.

now which the desirable course of action?

as for the che tar, it was not a che tar it was a maddox tar. as for freedoms in the 60's the US does not come top, cough*mcarthy*cough.

however this is not a country bashing contest.

emotional pressure is infinitely more effective and less prone to exploding in your face.
 
California said:
""The notion that discipline is the measure of a good parent is absurd...""

Uh, Hector, a father who loves his son teaches and corrects him. He's on his son like white on rice -- but discipline does not mean punishment -- it means instructing watching, correcting, helping, encouraging, showing the way etc.

The dad who does NOT do these things, the father who could give a rip as about what his son is doing doesn't love his son. Disciplining a child means correcting them and teaching them -- this is love. You teach your child not to walk into the middle of the traffic The parent who doesn't care just lets 'em play whereever. Sorry. Discipline, i.e. teaching and correcting, is the sign of love. Parenting is passing down wisdom this way.

Plus, you who used to have an avatar of Che G., are lecturing about totalitarianism? Hello. Move to Cuba or N. Korea and then tell us in the States how totalitarian we are. You know what happened to gays in Che's paradise, Cuba, by 1965? Don't think you wanna know.
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Children are not born knowing the exact differences between right and wrong. They want to do right but do not know how, so its the parents responsibility to teach them. And this is from a pysch professor, not my own thoughts.
 
Dude, before this Discipline crap gets out of hand will you take it to another thread.

It's over a kid wanting a computer and his parents deciding on getting it for him or not. Not over being a good parent, and what that means, and the freedoms of the 1960's WTF??

UC San Diego is tough, I forgot that one. Merced, don't bother; Davis, my bro went there it's a small town; Riverside, I went there and it is experiencing extremely fast growth; Santa Cruz, definitely the easiest to get into and great if your semi-hippie and smoke weed; Irvine, good school and lots of Asians. But then again a lot of the UC's have a large Asian population.
 
GimmeSlack12 said:
Dude, before this Discipline crap gets out of hand will you take it to another thread.

It's over a kid wanting a computer and his parents deciding on getting it for him or not. Not over being a good parent, and what that means, and the freedoms of the 1960's WTF??

UC San Diego is tough, I forgot that one. Merced, don't bother; Davis, my bro went there it's a small town; Riverside, I went there and it is experiencing extremely fast growth; Santa Cruz, definitely the easiest to get into and great if your semi-hippie and smoke weed; Irvine, good school and lots of Asians. But then again a lot of the UC's have a large Asian population.
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haha Im sure someone who read the thread title and then my post would throughly be confused. But then again your post isnt entirely on topic either. You say "wtf" to freedom of the 60s discussion and then digress on the benefits of being a hippie at Santa Cruz just a few lines later.
 
asherman13 said:
Berkeley, LA, San Diego, Santa Cruz, Davis

Hey, some are long shots, but I figured "why not"?
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Thats a good philosophy. From the sounds of it, I'd think you'd get accepted to a couple you really want.
 
So Asher....

Can we get an update on when you'll get your MBP???

EDIT: and ieani, I was saying WTF to the taking over topic, not freedom and the 60's. C'mon.
 
'scuse

As a UC Santa Cruz graduate, I had access to a beautiful campus, an innovative "no letter grade" grading system (which I know has changed), and an excellent UC education.

It's not just for hippies and pot, and it's absolutely not "the easiest UC." It has a fine reputation for being a great school - not so great if you're into sports and frats, but hey, the lack of those are two big reasons I went there.

Also got into a very well regarded (University of Washington) graduate school with no GPA - my narrative evaluations spoke for themselves.

Any UC will be great - good luck.
 
You are well organized and thorough in you plan with your parents and your negotiating. Seems like you would be a good lawyer... good luck with the MacBook! :)
 
uvula said:
As a UC Santa Cruz graduate, I had access to a beautiful campus, an innovative "no letter grade" grading system (which I know has changed), and an excellent UC education.
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Ok, I'll admit I was generalizing. But I have sat on the hill above the intramural fields and hung out. Gorgeous campus indeed. UCSC carries the reputation of the other UC's.
 
Asherman13,
I'm impatient, too, so I didn't read the whole thread. I just wanted to echo what plinden said on page #1. I've seen threads like these dozens of times and yours is hands down the most articulate I've read on the subject. With or without a MacBook Pro, I'm sure you'll do well in college if you continue to present your ideas so clearly. (Oh, and don't think this type of negotiation doesn't go on in the adult world. I do the same thing you did in trying to convince my wife to let me buy things.)

Good luck.

-Squire
 
GimmeSlack12 said:
That's funny, when I was 10 my Dad just brought an LC home. Said System 7 was the newest thing, I didn't know what that meant, but the rest is history. Vette! anyone?
I remember doing animations in Kid Pix by drawing each frame and doing a slide show at a fraction of a second a picture. Good times.

UCLA, Berkely, and UCD. Long shots indeed, but not impossible. Good Luck.
And I still say wait until you get close to going to school (might get a better deal from your parents).
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Whats sad is that my dad yells at me (big PC guy, worked with PCs since mid-80's for IBM) for using the Basilisk emulator to run System 7 on my PC. Whats fun is that i runs better than Windows XP (seriously, after I got my network to work, I don't need windows anymore.)
 
OK, first things first. I am also a HS senior. I am taking all (6) AP classes, and two college classes after school. I am aware of your course-load. On my 18th birthday, on the tenth of this month, I got a MBP. Nice I know, and like you, I wanted one very badly before I got it (errr... ordered it). I have one issue with your whole argument that I think will help you see a clear solution.

Personally, I think that you should wait, your parents are obviously a bit nuts with the distraction thing. You're obviously well behaved, religious (a mixed blessing, but hopefully assures that you are devoted, dilligent, and other delightful words that begin with 'd'), seriously. "I sold my iPod Video (5G whatever) because it was a distraction". Have you ever dated anyone? My guess is not cause thats a pretty big friggen distraction. You need to loosen up, because the real world doesn't give a damn if you're distracted. You should either buy it yourself, or wait till you're eighteen cause my guess is they will get it for you eventually, and honestly, they're just gonnah get upset with you if you whine at them.

Last thought: I've read your posts; you don't need it. You WANT it! You need to fix your PC if it won't print, it really isnt that hard.
 
ezramoore said:
Last thought: I've read your posts; you don't need it. You WANT it! You need to fix your PC if it won't print, it really isnt that hard.
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Easy for you to say. You've already got a MacBook Pro! ;)

-Squire
 
I know how horrible printer problems can be. My printer problem was an issue with both my actual PC and with my printer, and I went from August-March without the use of a printer. I had to make floppy discs of all my assignment and print them off at school in our library.
 
I don't know if I'm a bit late on this entire thread, but it seems like the whole 'going off to college' thread has been popping up all over the place. I'm also starting college this year. Unfortunately, I'm starting June... therefore, I'm missing all of the back to school sales. I'm majoring in business and minoring in computer science, so my parents are aware that a decent laptop is necessary (that and the fact that they've seen me programming the past three years and hope one day I am rich enough to pay them back a few times over for the laptop they'll be buying now... lol). I am thinking about taking my desktop down to school over the summer and just desperately waiting for the back to school sales... but at the same time, I'm pretty anxious to get my precious laptop too, so I want to buy it the week before I leave and then not have to worry about it. I don't know, I need advice on that one too. But I'm pretty blown away by the whole process you have laid out here. My parents, and many of my friends' parents, know that they have to eventually get a laptop for school, so they have to dish out the cash. If I were paying for my laptop my parents wouldn't interfere - they figure/know that I know more about computers than they do, so I'll make a wise choice. I am giving them a few hundred out of pure guilt, but that's just because I'm a great daughter and don't want to take advantage of them :) lol but really, in regards to all of that - they aren't paying for any of my college. They're buying me my laptop, bedsheets, and a fridge. After that, I'm on my own. Whereas, many parents take out the loans and pay for part of the entire ride for their kids. Well, as my username points out - I'm British. Raised totally differently and my parents think I should be responsible for this.
Well, they're right. Eh, it's life.
Anyways, in a nutshell, I'm trying to decide, like you, whether I should go ahead and buy my laptop before I go to school (after April 1st of course!) or just take my desktop down to college for the summer and then try to find a good deal.
I don't know. *sigh*:confused:
 
british724 said:
I don't know if I'm a bit late on this entire thread, but it seems like the whole 'going off to college' thread has been popping up all over the place. I'm also starting college this year. Unfortunately, I'm starting June... therefore, I'm missing all of the back to school sales. I'm majoring in business and minoring in computer science, so my parents are aware that a decent laptop is necessary (that and the fact that they've seen me programming the past three years and hope one day I am rich enough to pay them back a few times over for the laptop they'll be buying now... lol). I am thinking about taking my desktop down to school over the summer and just desperately waiting for the back to school sales... but at the same time, I'm pretty anxious to get my precious laptop too, so I want to buy it the week before I leave and then not have to worry about it. I don't know, I need advice on that one too. But I'm pretty blown away by the whole process you have laid out here. My parents, and many of my friends' parents, know that they have to eventually get a laptop for school, so they have to dish out the cash. If I were paying for my laptop my parents wouldn't interfere - they figure/know that I know more about computers than they do, so I'll make a wise choice. I am giving them a few hundred out of pure guilt, but that's just because I'm a great daughter and don't want to take advantage of them :) lol but really, in regards to all of that - they aren't paying for any of my college. They're buying me my laptop, bedsheets, and a fridge. After that, I'm on my own. Whereas, many parents take out the loans and pay for part of the entire ride for their kids. Well, as my username points out - I'm British. Raised totally differently and my parents think I should be responsible for this.
Well, they're right. Eh, it's life.
Anyways, in a nutshell, I'm trying to decide, like you, whether I should go ahead and buy my laptop before I go to school (after April 1st of course!) or just take my desktop down to college for the summer and then try to find a good deal.
I don't know. *sigh*:confused:
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Maybe im British....Well its the same thing my parents are doing minus any money for a laptop or fridge, they might get me sheets if I ask though.
 
asherman13 said:
Alright, we just had our second discussion.

We basically agreed (I'm going to write these up, and then we'll have a final review of everything) that I can buy it, provided that, until graduation:

-I only use it downstairs in their view.
-I only use it for homework.
-My parents will know the login password, and will keep the MacBook Pro in their closet/room or whatever when I'm not using it.
-If they find that I'm misusing it or whatever, they can take it away until they say I can have it back; until then I have to use the Dell.

They said that if I get straight A's third quarter (which I think I'm on track to do), they might be willing to be more lenient, but no promises. Also, my mom said that if I get straight A's second semester (third and fourth quarters combined), she'll pay for the MacBook Pro, meaning she'll give me $1,800 plus tax.

All in all, I'm satisfied. I think that my parents provided very good reasons for their modifications to the restrictions, and I plan on abiding my them and getting the good grades.

Apple store, here I come!
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Dude I have to admit,
you are almost 18!

You are almost an adult!
Alexander the Great conqurered the known world at the age of 18.
Many brave souls have fought and died for their country at the age of 18, some even younger!

And here your parents are monitering you like a baby.
Seriously, my parents are kind of like that, but I stand up to them and remind them that I'm not a child anymore, every once in a while.

I'm thinking it is about that time to remind them that you aren't a baby and have your own responsibilities that you _will_ take care of?

Seriously, stand up for yourself, but be respectfull at the same time.

I personally would kill myself if my parents treated me as a child.

-R
 
british724 said:
Hey, whip out that family tree. Don't be surprised to find that you might be... :p

Eh, it's a life.
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Actually my great grandfather was born in Liverpool but heres the catch. It was on a ship headed for the USA that his two Galwegian parents were on. The rest of me is German and Hungarian.
 
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