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How do you see Imacs switching to ARM architecture
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It's expected that most modern macOS (Intel) applications will work* through Rosetta 2 on Apple Silicon Macs.
*Performance is still unconfirmed by third parties.
*Performance is still unconfirmed by third parties.
That's right - there won't be Windows apps running natively on Apple Silicon Macs.
I look at the flip side of things - there are far more people using iOS that will love to have their iOS apps running on their Macs than there are people actually running Windows sessions on their Intel Macs. There will be millions of iOS apps capable of running on Mac, and every current Mac app will still be able to run, without modification. Mac users will not be starved for apps.
I should fix that for you. Mac users will be starved of professional apps.
I see it like the deliverance of the iMac. iMac will really shines with AS. Lower thermal, better GPU performance in most cases, a cleaned macOS... Pro apps will take maybe a year or two to adjust and exploit full potential, but I think that from day 1 it will also be a nice experience.
Question:
"How do you see Imacs switching to ARM architecture"
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I "see" an iMac that pretty much looks like the ones they're selling now, but with a different CPU chip inside...
"How do you see Imacs switching to ARM architecture"
Answer:
I "see" an iMac that pretty much looks like the ones they're selling now, but with a different CPU chip inside...
Your opinion is yours, my opinion is mine. There's nothing to "fix" in what I said.
There won't be one fewer Mac pro app because of this. I guess by your definition, Windows apps are "professional" and Mac apps are not?
One can argue that Intel Mac gave some app developers an excuse to not develop for Mac at all.
There are lots of industry-specific apps that are produced solely for the dominant desktop platform (Windows) - their audience may not be large enough to justify the expense of dual-platform support.
With the shift to mobile, there are also lots of industry/company-specific apps being produced for iOS devices. They likely aren't the same kind of apps you're referring to as "pro," but they're in widespread business use nonetheless. Bringing those apps to the desktops of their mobile users could be a very big thing.
That is as much up to Microsoft as anything that Apple has to do.
Microsoft Makes Windows 10 on ARM Available Virtually - Thurrott.com
With Windows 10 version 20H2, Windows 10 on ARM will finally support Hyper-V. But the system was never available virtually.
www.thurrott.com
There are some parts Apple needs to do. Some parts that Microsoft does (and Microsoft has to come up with a licensing model they can live with). And probably some 3rd parties to help it come together.
MS Windows 10 will run. "Professional" 32-bit x86 plug-ins to MS-Office will probably run. Newer 64-bit Win32 apps are probably in an odd place.
But if off counting MS Windows apps as a primary source of apps that need to be counted to make the new iMac viable, then that is just highly dubious. Windows is a "nice to have" for the Mac ecosystem. It isn't critical. ( Certainly it appears more critical in internet forums where folks come to heavily geek out on tech minutiae , but broad spectrum end user wise.... not really).
Without misdirecting off to Windows, most apps written specifucally to macOS and that have been actively updated over last 2-3 years to keep up with general direcdtion of development that Apple has suggested over the last 4-5 WWDC events won't have a big problem.
Much stuff that has "dead" development will get caught though. Drivers for equipment where no one has touched the code in 4-5 years will probably die. But it will die on the Intel side of macOS 11 also. Apple told folks back at WWDC 2019 they were going to do a massive overall of kernel extension drivers and folks needed to "get on board" with the change.
Intel is not the only x86 supplier with capable CPU packages.
Where it is not "battery power" ( e.g., upper end 27" iMac performance space). Apple isn't necessarily going to win.
Apple will create a new CPU that will be better than the current 27" models. But in a 1-2 years that is not necessarily where the competition is going to be. ( Intel will be still somewhat stuck, so Apple probably will do their comparison versus them. But more likely more so to the current iMacs. ).
Not many huge blockers to moving most mac Apps from Apple's side. Some developers have their own internal issues though. The purge here is likely going to be smaller than the purge of 32-bit mac apps that the current OS implemented. macOS 11 is going to purge some low to no effort apps also on both sides ( intel and Arm. ).
That’s ok , you don’t understand what I mean.
Most Mac versions of pro Design / CAD/ rendering / office apps are not as good as their windows counterparts right now. I am not holding my breath to see what happens.
I use my iPad Pro for professional paid design work - the apps are not beneficial really in a desktop scenario.
All the consumer apps are a different story which is probably what you are referring to.
Well Microsoft Office runs on Macs (admittedly Excel for the Mac is not quite as advanced). The Adobe suite of Apps is also available for the Mac. I have no idea what the CAD apps are like but that is a niche use case. The software development tools available for the Mac are for the most part as good or better than those for Windows (unless you are building Windows Desktop apps of course). That said, while the ARM Macs will be great for iOS developers they may not be so good for developers deploying apps server side applications and Mac desktop developers will have to support two CPU architectures now.
Yes they ‘run’.
You should read about the issues people are having with adobe apps on the Mac Pro......
I am not disagreeing with the development apps, iOS or Apple built software, but the ’niche’ of 3D graphics, visualising, architecture and design is average to poor on intel Macs. So is Adobe, Office [office for windows is far nicer than the mac version]. I am pretty certain the perception of macs is for creatives and I have just listed basically all the Major ‘creative‘ desktop apps.
All the apps I mention are built as Windows Desktop apps primarily and then they do an inferior mac version.
I don't use Adobe apps anymore, Plenty of alternatives on the Mac that don't charge a subscription. As for MS Office, my wife uses it for work and its fine. I use it casually at home but use the Window version at work. I don't find the Windows version nicer to use but using Excel to build complex spreadsheets that are what we call UDAs (user developed apps).
And finally we will get rid of that ugly stupid hatch on the back and there will be no more excuses for not paying the Apple tax on ram.
Things Apple showed at WWDC 2020:
- Adobe Suite working natively on the Apple DTK (which is an A12Z iPad chip)
- Final Cut Pro working natively on the Apple DTK
- Parallels Desktop working natively on the Apple DTK
- Microsoft Office working natively on the Apple DTK
- Autodesk Maya working emulated on the Apple DTK
- Shadow of the Tomb Raider working emulated on the Apple DTK
Barring the game at the end, seems like "professional apps" to me.
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There is no office for Apple silicon. I’m not even sure why MS would bother. This isn’t exactly a platform with millions of users. Who would buy Apple silicon right now? Only the most loyal apple fans. Most devs won’t bother with it and will continue to support intel versions instead.
Microsoft Office apps already up and running on Apple's new Mac chips
Office apps are already running smooth on Apple's new Mac chips.
www.windowscentral.com
Apple confirms Mac to Arm with Microsoft and Adobe on board; MacOS will look more like iOS
A Mac mini-based Developer Transition Kit will enable developers to try out apps on Apple's processors.
www.zdnet.com
Apple Silicon and what it means for Microsoft Office
Apple is switching their Mac computers from Intel to their own in-house chipsets known as ‘Apple Silicon’. A change in CPU is a big deal and raises question
fixed thank you
Did you watch the Keynote? Or even [try to] read anything pertaining to Office on ASi Macs?
Did you? Looked like office for iPad. MS doesn’t even have a windows arm version of office. What makes you think they have something for Apples cpu that is remotely desktop level?
I'm not sure what playing dumb like this gets some of you, but that was Office for Mac. It looks like the iPad version because they use similar colour schemes.
Do you think they started from scratch? They have an existing app that they likely could port to Arm faster than they can bring the iPad versions up to speed. MS can move when they want to.
My point previously, that seems to have got lost, and is relevant to this is that the Mac apps are not as good as windows on intel.
Yes, they showed apps running, but I don’t want already sub par apps being emulated/ translated on the fly. That is not acceptable for professional work.
I really hope the developers who make my current apps get on board as I cannot find a shred of evidence they are moving to AS !
It’s good that MS will have office, but is that just the iOS version on steroids or new? I bet the former.
It certainly will take several years before all this is resolved .
Yes, they showed apps running, but I don’t want already sub par apps being emulated/ translated on the fly. That is not acceptable for professional work.
I really hope the developers who make my current apps get on board as I cannot find a shred of evidence they are moving to AS !
It’s good that MS will have office, but is that just the iOS version on steroids or new? I bet the former.
It certainly will take several years before all this is resolved .