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jsmith189

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All of the OP suggested are already available on Samsung S8. That is, technology is ready, it's up to whether Apple chooses to.

Available vs properly implemented. Hate to sound like that guy, but again it comes down to Apple not being the first, but being the first to get it right.
 
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Ralfi

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Secondly for security, it's simple. It will just always be scanning for your face. Doesn't detect your face, the phone locks. Like Touch ID, you'll be able to set up multiple faces so if you want your partner to have access to your phone, when you pass it, scans their faces recognises it so the browsing experience continues - all automatically.

But how many times have you handed or turned your phone to a work colleague or someone you don't feel deserves security access to your phone?
 

joeblow7777

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But how many times have you handed or turned your phone to a work colleague or someone you don't feel deserves security access to your phone?

Presumably there will be adjustable settings, like how you can adjust how quickly your phone locks now.
 

mario-64

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Do we know yet if/how Face ID will be able to handle glasses? Sometimes I wear mine sometimes not
 

AsherN

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I'm going to assume if you wanted a friend to see your phone, you'd just use the generic pin-code unlock like you do currently.

Currently, I use TouchID to unlock the phone. If the other person does not let it lock, they are good.
 

sotorious

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I hope they dont completely do away with touch id. How are they going to do the payment system without a fingerprint scanner. Are we going to have to lean over the phone so it can snap our face?
 

WilliamG

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Currently, I use TouchID to unlock the phone. If the other person does not let it lock, they are good.

Right, but since iPhone X won't have TouchID, I'd assume there's a workaround to the phone locking - by just using your pin code to unlock in the first place.
 

Mlrollin91

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Do we know yet if/how Face ID will be able to handle glasses? Sometimes I wear mine sometimes not
Or sunglasses or using your phone in a dark room? There are so many problems I see with Face ID and if there is truly no more Touch ID, I cant see myself upgrading. Maybe only to the 8Plus and not the X.
 

WilliamG

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Or sunglasses or using your phone in a dark room? There are so many problems I see with Face ID and if there is truly no more Touch ID, I cant see myself upgrading. Maybe only to the 8Plus and not the X.

There should be no issues with either sunglasses or a dark room. Wait till tomorrow before passing judgment.
 

44267547

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Available vs properly implemented. Hate to sound like that guy, but again it comes down to Apple not being the first, but being the first to get it right.

Even Tim Cook commented on an interview, it's not about being the first to release a product, its about being the best.
 
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Ralfi

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Or sunglasses or using your phone in a dark room? There are so many problems I see with Face ID and if there is truly no more Touch ID, I cant see myself upgrading. Maybe only to the 8Plus and not the X.

Think of it this way (maybe); Sunglasses, spectacles, hats, beanies etc. are just alternate 'fingerprints'.

The FaceID setup may ask us to place a plain face in view for it to take one 'fingerprint', then it may ask us to place a face with sunglasses, then spectacles, then hats etc. in view for it to take numerous scans (fingerprints) that it'll recognise & allow it to unlock the phone.
 

Dave245

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Even Tim Cook commented on an interview, it's not about being the first to release a product, its about being the best.

Exactly and Apple are not the first to put facial recognition into a phone, but it looks like they will do it well, 3D facial recognition while also being able to use in when laying on a desk, in the dark and so on, it shows how Apple have thought about it, I'm also willing to bet that it's been tested a lot over the last couple of years. Reports for the last few months have said how advanced fast and more secure it is.
 
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44267547

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Exactly and Apple are not the first to put facial recognition into a phone, but it looks like they will do it well, 3D facial recognition while also being able to use in when laying on a desk, in the dark and so on, it shows how Apple have thought about it, I'm also willing to bet that it's been tested a lot over the last couple of years. Reports for the last few months have said how advanced fast and more secure it is.

Are you going to be able to Watch the KeyNote live?
 

44267547

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Yes, I'm not working today so i'll be following live at 6pm (here in the UK), are you going to be watching? i think it's going to be a great keynote, however it could go over their usual time frame with so much for them to talk about and possibly demo.

I will be watching live. I usually watch it again later on as well, to go back and watch some of the demos or things that I might have missed. But I also think this will be one of the longer Keynotes. Seems like a lot to cover with the iPhone and other hardware/Demo's.
 
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Dave245

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I will be watching live. I usually watch it again later on as well, to go back and watch some of the demos or things that I might have missed. But I also think this will be one of the longer Keynotes. Seems like a lot to cover with the iPhone and other hardware/Demo's.

Thinking about it that's probably why they announced a lot at WWDC in order to keep this keynote clear for the iPhone and other hardware demo's, i do wonder if we will see more of AR kit, maybe an app demo of something, also i wonder if they will announce 4K content on iTunes to go alongside the 4K Apple TV that's rumoured to be announced. It will be a big keynote.
 
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AsherN

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Right, but since iPhone X won't have TouchID, I'd assume there's a workaround to the phone locking - by just using your pin code to unlock in the first place.
If you need a workaround to perform a funcrion currently available, your new tech implementation is wrong. New tech should strive to make things easier.
 

DNichter

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Samsung's face recognition is not easily hacked. People are setting it up wrong. Please Read:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.an...-note-8-review-verging-on-perfection.html/amp

Samsung has been at the forefront of mobile security for years, from its Knox sandboxing technology to the latest in biometric scanning tools. The Galaxy Note 8 adds in a facial recognition feature on top of all the other biometric scanning utilities on the device. This feature isn’t new to Android, but it’s something that hasn’t been revisited in years, and Samsung has rebuilt this feature to make it more secure. While they’ve been light on details, and despite some erroneous viral videos that have been floating around the web, it’s quite difficult to trick the phone into unlocking itself with a picture or video of a registered face; so long as the right checkboxes aren’t enabled of course.

Samsung-Galaxy-Note-8-AH-NS-Screenshots-security-2.jpg

Samsung-Galaxy-Note-8-AH-NS-Screenshots-security-3.jpg



By default Samsung enables the “faster recognition” feature, something many users might skip past without realizing it. Truth be told, I can’t figure out why in the world this would be a default setting, as the more secure method isn’t just more secure, it only takes a second or two to recognize my face, even in dark conditions. The “faster recognition” mode is easy to trick with a picture or video, and certainly makes it less of a security method than it should be. This feature shouldn’t even be available, given the speed and ease of unlocking when it’s not enabled, as it opens unnecessary security holes in an otherwise very secure phone.

Either way, it has been hacked. Dumb implementation by Samsung I guess? It's just analyzing a 2D picture, definitely flawed.
 
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jamesrick80

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Either way, it has been hacked. Dumb implementation by Samsung I guess? It's just analyzing a 2D picture, definitely flawed.

Flawed is not including Touch ID/fingerprint scanning at all on the iPhone X. Not everyone will be happy go lucky having to pick up their phone and point it to their face each and every time. In a given situation, it will be a nuisance at times. No matter if it's 2 D , 3D, or 4D........
 

DNichter

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Flawed is not including Touch ID/fingerprint scanning at all on the iPhone X. Not everyone will be happy go lucky having to pick up their phone and point it to their face each and every time. In a given situation, it will be a nuisance at times. No matter if it's 2 D , 3D, or 4D........

Well luckily it won't work like any current implementations because it is completely different. Have you ever seen the dots the Microsoft Kinects emit from their camera? It can cover an entire room. This is the technology that Apple purchased a few years back and has been working to implement into the iPhone. This camera will work flat on a desk and at a variety of angles. It will likely be invisible to the end user except for a small animation. Certainly easier than stretching a finger up to the top part of the back of the phone. Technology moves forward.
 
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jamesrick80

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Well luckily it won't work like any current implementations because it is completely different. Have you ever seen the dots the Microsoft Kinects emit from their camera? It can cover an entire room. This is the technology that Apple purchased a few years back and has been working to implement into the iPhone. This camera will work flat on a desk and at a variety of angles. It will likely be invisible to the end user except for a small animation. Certainly easier than stretching a finger up to the top part of the back of the phone. Technology moves forward.

Best wishes.....
 

redman042

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Well I just finished watching the keynote. It's quite clear they've been working very hard on FaceID for some time and it is not at all a last-ditch replacement for failed TouchID under glass. Most likely, Apple launched two parallel efforts for the two options, and gave both their all before picking FaceID.
 
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