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nj1266

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Sorry but that is in no way accurate. There is no reliable way to measure SOT on IOS devices. Just the fact that I can open an app like facebook and spend a few minutes in the app. Then close it and open another and the screen times are not accurate. I tested it on my iphone 6s+.
I think my iphone 6s+ gets better battery life than my N5 does. But not the 7.7 hours you listed.

Why do you say it is not accurate? Did you do a test? I did. I added the SOT minutes for each app and then added the background times for each app and the time was pretty damn close to the usage time that is listed at the very bottom. Basically: total app SOT+background minutes~usage time. The numbers add up.

What test did you conduct to make you believe that it is not accurate?
 

jamesrick80

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And cripple the device? I'm not turning location off. Half the apps I use I require location. That's pathetic you have to gps off to get decent battery life.
The apps I use really don't need it so how pathetic can that actually be...for your use purposes that's a different story. Also, I have several devices that I use per a day...between my two tablets and my phone I don't really have to worry about battery life.
 

jamezr

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Why do you say it is not accurate? Did you do a test? I did. I added the SOT minutes for each app and then added the background times for each app and the time was pretty damn close to the usage time that is listed at the very bottom. Basically: total app SOT+background minutes~usage time. The numbers add up.

What test did you conduct to make you believe that it is not accurate?
Because the apps overlap on the screen time they report. One app says it was open for 6 minutes when another was open during the same time. I tested it with multiple apps. They are mis reporting the screen time. It's not accurate. There is no way to accurately report SOT on IOS devices.
 

nj1266

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Because the apps overlap on the screen time they report. One app says it was open for 6 minutes when another was open during the same time. I tested it with multiple apps. They are mis reporting the screen time. It's not accurate. There is no way to accurately report SOT on IOS devices.

How did you do the testing? Can you detail your test method? Thanks.
 

nj1266

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And cripple the device? I'm not turning location off. Half the apps I use I require location. That's pathetic you have to gps off to get decent battery life.

My brother does similar things on his S5. He turns off Bluetooth and gps. I refuse to do that on any iPhone. What is the point of a smartphone if we have to turn basic functions off to get decent battery life.
 

Blaze4G

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And cripple the device? I'm not turning location off. Half the apps I use I require location. That's pathetic you have to gps off to get decent battery life.

You don't have to turn it off, just switch it to battery saving. I think most android devices defaults to high accuracy. High accuracy uses your network, gps, wifi and bluetooth. (Dont ask me why it uses bluetooth but it does on Marshmallow).
 

mi7chy

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iOS 9.2 fixes the UI graphics lag on iPhone 6S Plus but at the expense of battery life so you have to take that into consideration.
 

nj1266

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iOS 9.2 fixes the UI graphics lag on iPhone 6S Plus but at the expense of battery life so you have to take that into consideration.

Not on my iPhone 6s Plus. After an extended period of use on my iPhone 6, I set up my 6s plus as new. I am getting excellent battery life from my unit.
 

The Game 161

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Best battery life on any phone I've ever had
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Just switched low power mode on as it reached 20% as won't be near a charger till later and it will last me till 4 or 5 at least I imagine
 

jamezr

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How did you do the testing? Can you detail your test method? Thanks.
Look at the screen shot of my usage below. My usage is 48 minutes yet the screen time adds up to 88 minutes!
Then look at all the screen time from the apps. The times add up to waaaaay more time than my phone was used (usage time) since taken off on the charging cradle. That is the problem with IOS devcies. there is no way to accurately measure SOT. How can my screen time be more than my phone usage time? Its not accurate.

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nj1266

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Look at the screen shot of my usage below. My usage is 48 minutes yet the screen time adds up to 88 minutes!
Then look at all the screen time from the apps. The times add up to waaaaay more time than my phone was used (usage time) since taken off on the charging cradle. That is the problem with IOS devcies. there is no way to accurately measure SOT. How can my screen time be more than my phone usage time? Its not accurate.

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My results are different than yours. As I said before my SOT is less than my usage time. When I add my SOT for each app to the background time for each app I get a number that is very close to the usage time. I did the math multiple times for the 24 hour period. I have not had SOT that exceeded usage time like you had.

Edit: You need to wait for the stand by time to hit 24 hours before you do the math. That is why your numbers are off. The SOT includes the prior 24 hours. You will not get accurate numbers until your Stand by time is exactly 24 hours. Do the numbers after 24 hours of stand by has passed and set the apps to 24 hours and you will get accurate numbers.
 

jamezr

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My results are different than yours. As I said before my SOT is less than my usage time. When I add my SOT for each app to the background time for each app I get a number that is very close to the usage time. I did the math multiple times for the 24 hour period. I have not had SOT that exceeded usage time like you had.

Edit: You need to wait for the stand by time to hit 24 hours before you do the math. That is why your numbers are off. The SOT includes the prior 24 hours. You will not get accurate numbers until your Stand by time is exactly 24 hours. Do the numbers after 24 hours of stand by has passed and set the apps to 24 hours and you will get accurate numbers.

I charge my phones every night when I go to bed so waiting 24 hours to TRY to get SOT by adding up however many apps show up in the battery setting......is to say the least....not a very good system to get SOT on IOS. Sorry but having to jump through that many hoops just to try to get a total number of apps that have a screen reading, that may or not be accurate is useless to me.
 

Blaze4G

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My results are different than yours. As I said before my SOT is less than my usage time. When I add my SOT for each app to the background time for each app I get a number that is very close to the usage time. I did the math multiple times for the 24 hour period. I have not had SOT that exceeded usage time like you had.

Edit: You need to wait for the stand by time to hit 24 hours before you do the math. That is why your numbers are off. The SOT includes the prior 24 hours. You will not get accurate numbers until your Stand by time is exactly 24 hours. Do the numbers after 24 hours of stand by has passed and set the apps to 24 hours and you will get accurate numbers.
The SOT includes the prior 24 hours? I seriously doubt this. If this is so then Jamezr would have only used his phone for 88 minutes in a 24-30 hour period (if u add the other 6 hours). I don't want to speak for him but I doubt he only used his screen on his phone for that short time.
Jamezr is actually right.
The reason why it balances out after 24 hours is because you're not using your phone for majority of that 24 hours.
Hence if you have one hour usage and been using it for most of that hour switching between multiple apps, total SOT will be greater than usage. However if you used you barely used your phone for the next 3 hours, usage would likely surpass total SOT.
 

lowendlinux

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My brother does similar things on his S5. He turns off Bluetooth and gps. I refuse to do that on any iPhone. What is the point of a smartphone if we have to turn basic functions off to get decent battery life.

I turn off bluetooth and GPS because I don't use the first and no company needs to know where I am for the second the side benefit is battery life.
 

MRU

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iOS 9.2 fixes the UI graphics lag on iPhone 6S Plus but at the expense of battery life so you have to take that into consideration.

No it doesn't. Battery life is exactly the same. Stop disseminating FUD.

Not on my iPhone 6s Plus. After an extended period of use on my iPhone 6, I set up my 6s plus as new. I am getting excellent battery life from my unit.

Exactly... Battery life hasn't changed at all.
 
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MRU

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You don't have to turn it off, just switch it to battery saving. I think most android devices defaults to high accuracy. High accuracy uses your network, gps, wifi and bluetooth. (Dont ask me why it uses bluetooth but it does on Marshmallow).

Yep. It does default to high accuracy. I just switch mine on whatever android device I use to battery saver.

I leave Bluetooth on in all my devices. With Bluetooth 4.1 we shouldn't be getting big drains whilst using or not using it.

Biggest impact on battery life on ANY android handset regardless of Ui has always been 'Google location history' buried in Google App settings. It is constantly poling your location and even with battery saver gps mode it adds significantly to the depreciation of your battery life.

Whilst you may not get 'automatic' traffic updates or such in Google Now cards with it turned off, the benefits of it off far outweigh it being on in my experience.
 

nj1266

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Jan 15, 2012
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Long Beach, CA
I charge my phones every night when I go to bed so waiting 24 hours to TRY to get SOT by adding up however many apps show up in the battery setting......is to say the least....not a very good system to get SOT on IOS. Sorry but having to jump through that many hoops just to try to get a total number of apps that have a screen reading, that may or not be accurate is useless to me.

That is the only way to do it. It maybe time consuming to you, but it works and it gives a decent idea of the SOT

1. Charge your phone to 100 percent.
2. Unplug in the morning.
3. Run the iPhone 6s Plus until 24 hours have elapsed.
4. Check the SOT for each app and add them together
5. That will be the total SOT for the 24 hours period that elapsed.
6. If you add the total SOT for all the apps for the past 24 hours to the background time for all the apps, you should get a very close number to the usage time.

Again, it only works for every 24 hour cycle. Anything above that or below that, then the SOT is worthless.

I know it is a PITA to do it this way, but there is no other way to do it. I will take this method over no method at all.
 

nj1266

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Jan 15, 2012
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I turn off bluetooth and GPS because I don't use the first and no company needs to know where I am for the second the side benefit is battery life.

The point of a smartphone is to use all its features on the fly. I get in my car and start my car and my Bluetooth connects so I can stream my music or my podcasts. The last thing I want to do is fidget with my phone to turn on Bluetooth after I start my car.

When I call on Siri to navigate to an address in my contacts the last thing that I want to hear is turn gps on and then I have to get distracted from driving to turn it on.

If you have to turn essential functions like Bluetooth and navigation off to get good battery life, then that is not a well optimized smartphone.
 

lowendlinux

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The point of a smartphone is to use all its features on the fly. I get in my car and start my car and my Bluetooth connects so I can stream my music or my podcasts. The last thing I want to do is fidget with my phone to turn on Bluetooth after I start my car.

When I call on Siri to navigate to an address in my contacts the last thing that I want to hear is turn gps on and then I have to get distracted from driving to turn it on.

If you have to turn essential functions like Bluetooth and navigation off to get good battery life, then that is not a well optimized smartphone.

I don't use any of those features which was the general point of my post.
 

jamezr

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That is the only way to do it. It maybe time consuming to you, but it works and it gives a decent idea of the SOT

1. Charge your phone to 100 percent.
2. Unplug in the morning.
3. Run the iPhone 6s Plus until 24 hours have elapsed.
4. Check the SOT for each app and add them together
5. That will be the total SOT for the 24 hours period that elapsed.
6. If you add the total SOT for all the apps for the past 24 hours to the background time for all the apps, you should get a very close number to the usage time.

Again, it only works for every 24 hour cycle. Anything above that or below that, then the SOT is worthless.

I know it is a PITA to do it this way, but there is no other way to do it. I will take this method over no method at all.
Sorry but that is total BS just to get an suspected accurate SOT. I showed you my screenshot and the times did not add up correctly. Now you say I have to wait 24 hours and not charge my phone to get SOT? Well that might work for you but not the rest of us. I still do not think that is accurate. But you can do whatever you want. You might take this method....but I suspect you are the only one.
 

nj1266

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Jan 15, 2012
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Long Beach, CA
Sorry but that is total BS just to get an suspected accurate SOT. I showed you my screenshot and the times did not add up correctly. Now you say I have to wait 24 hours and not charge my phone to get SOT? Well that might work for you but not the rest of us. I still do not think that is accurate. But you can do whatever you want. You might take this method....but I suspect you are the only one.

You are adamant that it is not accurate even though you did not try it. Why don't you try it first and see for yourself. Approach the method with an open mind and verify if the results are reasonable. You cannot just dismiss it out of hand if you did not even try it. I am not the only one trying this. Others are reporting their SOT in the iPhone 6s battery thread.
 

jamezr

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You are adamant that it is not accurate even though you did not try it. Why don't you try it first and see for yourself. Approach the method with an open mind and verify if the results are reasonable. You cannot just dismiss it out of hand if you did not even try it. I am not the only one trying this. Others are reporting their SOT in the iPhone 6s battery thread.
I did try it. The screen times reported were not accurate. I posted a screenshot to prove my point. Now you say I have to WAIT 24 hours and not charge my phone...then list all the apps and their screen times and add them up. Sorry but that is just stupid to have to go to those lengths to get a total that might or might not be accurate. Then just because others are wearing a tin foil hat does not mean its the thing to do......
 

The Game 161

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Screen on time isn't accurate really on the iPhone.

I went to bed last night with my phone to on 100% as it had charged right before I went to bed and when I woke up,it was still at 100% which is awesome but the it said 55 mins on screen time and really I used like 15 of that before bed. So screen on time is still being used when the screen is off.

I get a lot of Twitter notifications at night so this is why but my phone is always on do not disturb at night.

Most important stat for me is standby time and it's awesome. I get at least 3 hours most days. Got 44 yesterday for example.
 
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