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Mr. 123

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Sep 20, 2016
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Apple seems to have fixed a ton of outstanding bugs in Textedit, Finder &c, but I wonder why they didn't made those fixes in Bug Sur as well.

They also neutered, crippled and utterly destroyed Books.
What can't you do in Books anymore?
 

AnnaCody

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Aug 21, 2010
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Can't tell a difference on my Mac Pro 2019
What I noticed though was how fast it was to finish the upgrade.
I remember that it took much longer to go from Catalina to Big Sur.
How fast? Well what I mean is approximately how long did it take? I'm also on a MBP 2019
 

Mr. 123

macrumors 6502
Sep 20, 2016
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Edit metadata. Have a compact list view. Search by year, comment, genre or other criteria. Select search results and put in a collection.
I thought that wasn't possible in Big Sur either but either way that's a shame. I guess you can edit in iTunes (using retroactive) and then import to books...
 

Kyousuke

macrumors member
Mar 25, 2019
30
11
Halifax, NS
Agreed. Same here, late 2015 27" iMac

Boots up faster than Big Sur, 16 sec vs 24
Applications load faster
Installation and updating of MacTex (TexLive ) was noticeably faster

Happy, happy, joy, joy
I also noticed the faster boot time. Big Sur's boot time was slow in comparison to Monterey.
I'm happy with Mac OS Monterey so far :)
 

macdos

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Oct 15, 2017
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I thought that wasn't possible in Big Sur either but either way that's a shame. I guess you can edit in iTunes (using retroactive) and then import to books...
I used a DB browser for SQlite to edit directly, but most edits don't stick. Apple reverts edits based on what's in the book's data.

For Apple, Books is just another monetization app. They want to sell books, and don't care about user's needs to keep order in their library.

I'll just make an app of my own. That's what the sad state of the Mac has come to.
 

silverlakerCA

macrumors regular
May 2, 2020
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Shares about performance & battery life is welcomed :)

want to understand if i should upgrade my maxed out 2017 MBP 15'
One noticeable change... I signed in this morning and my screen resolution on my Dell 27" is dramatically BIGGER.
I tried to make it smaller in System Preferences but it makes everything way too small.

Should I try using SwtichResX and what settings would one suggest?
Thanks.
 

KoolAid-Drink

macrumors 68000
Sep 18, 2013
1,859
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USA
Yes, however, all my MacBook Pro's (as of now) are Intel based and are still much, much faster than the same MBP's running macOS Big Sur!

I was busy on launch day, and even though I was able to get an order in for a new 16" MacBook Pro with M1 Max with 10-core CPU/32-core GPU as well as 400GB/s memory bandwidth, I will not be getting it until late November...which sucks, but that is on me.

However, as I said earlier, these Intel MBP's are running amazingly fast, even my 13" Early-2015 MacBook Pro. Also, I have noticed that they are not running near as hot as they were on macOS Big Sur. That could be due to me always fresh-installing the new version of macOS every year.

We will see how these Intel models continue running as the year goes on, and more updates to Monterey are released. This feels like a very "Snow Leopard" type release.

Edit: I am a firm believer in fresh installs each year. I know there is a debate every year on these very forums about if they really do anything, or if you would see the same speed increase if you would just upgrade over the previous version of macOS. I think a fresh install is the way to go for sure.

:apple:
Agreed. I do a clean install almost every year. Makes a difference.
 
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WeatherWeasel

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Oct 28, 2019
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Much slower on restarting. Safari and Firefox take forever to load. things just appear to be slower . then something uploaded today, not sure. Things are just slower. time Machine is alway finding thousands of files to back up, so I don't know if it is incrementally re indexing. Back blaze slow - I might start with i Drive. Oh and trying to access web pages on some sites with safari won't work, so I have to use firefox. Ack, Ack, ack...
 
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827538

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Jul 3, 2013
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2016 MacBook, honestly I haven't noticed any difference.

Still waiting on ***** UPS to deliver my new MacBook Pro.
 

Bazza1

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May 16, 2017
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Toronto, Canada
2017 Air: I'd like to say a better overall experience, 'snappier' and bugs squashed, but frankly, I've not noticed anything to write home (or here) about. Sometimes feel our expectations (for good or ill) override the reality. And, to be honest, I probably use less than 20% of the device / OS capabilities, so there's that.

Apple's tendency to add stuff that usually takes a 3rd Party reviewer to find and point out (a sign of poor industrial design on the OS front) dissuades me from possibly using the device to its full capabilities.
 

WeatherWeasel

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Oct 28, 2019
353
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Des Moines, Iowa
IF in the spring, the wife decides not to retire, I am still alive (big factor) and I have my iPhone paid off, I will update to the new iMac and start over. If not, here we are .

This thing is slow . I don't know that if in the upgrade the operating system needs to update or re-index. I guess I have no choice but to give it time.
 

kittiyut

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Oct 28, 2007
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How fast? Well what I mean is approximately how long did it take? I'm also on a MBP 2019
It felt like I only waited 20 minutes or so from pressing the "install" button to login prompt. It was the smoothest upgrade ever. I upgraded every programs/drivers (ie. NTFS for Mac, SoftRAID, etc.) prior to install so everything worked fine after the upgrade. I actually think that things are feeling a bit more "snappy" even.
 

idandavid

macrumors member
Sep 10, 2010
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Israel
My M1 13" MBP feels a lot faster on monterey ! big sur was sluggish. I now feel like im getting the speed that was promised with apple silicon.
 
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WeatherWeasel

macrumors 6502
Oct 28, 2019
353
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Des Moines, Iowa
I am noticing now that a lot of my slowdown seems to be coming from time Machine re indexing and reloading. When I went to Big Sur it was faster, I think this is going to take some time when everything is re indexed. I do notice that Safari seems faster, but then Earlier this morning about 3amCDT things were going down on Centurylink so right now I am hoping I see something improved.

I still am waiting to find out what are the advantages of this new os for the intel based processors like mine.
 

Aggedor

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Dec 10, 2020
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M1 MBA here. Definitely snappier. Haven't yet been able to judge battery life, as this machine is mostly plugged in with an external monitor.
 

400

macrumors 6502a
Sep 12, 2015
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Wales
Quite a few issues. New M1 iMac and external hard drives are sluggish. Safari still hit and miss, more miss, still easier to fire up firefox for browsing. Desktop and screensaver images borked. Photos is a drag. Doesn't feel any quicker and some operations in Photos are slower than my 2013 iMac.
Not overly impressed at the moment. At least the sound sounds better.
 

DaveFromCampbelltown

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Jun 24, 2020
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Anyone else having this problem?
I read about SMB problems in Catalina, so I waited for the .4 version or so before upgrading. I don’t have SMB problems in Big Sur, but I am hesitating to upgrade to Monterey.

I have just tested it on my system. Transferring files via SMB is not as fast with macOS as it is with Windows, and it is not as fast as using AFP on macOS. However it wasn't too bad. I was transferring files at up to 80 Mbytes/sec, compared to 100 Mbytes/sec with Windows/SMB and macOS/AFP.
 

lexvo

macrumors 65816
Nov 11, 2009
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The Netherlands
I have just tested it on my system. Transferring files via SMB is not as fast with macOS as it is with Windows, and it is not as fast as using AFP on macOS. However it wasn't too bad. I was transferring files at up to 80 Mbytes/sec, compared to 100 Mbytes/sec with Windows/SMB and macOS/AFP.
I installed it on Intel-based PC, don't see significant difference.

Thank you both. I am glad to hear that SMB is working on Monterey.

Actually, I was more concerned about MacOS not connecting to SMB at all. This was a problem in Catalina and you had to use a trick in Finder to get it working.
 

WeatherWeasel

macrumors 6502
Oct 28, 2019
353
145
Des Moines, Iowa
I still see Time Machine trying to churn out files to my external drive. Sort of thinking I should wait a few weeks to see if it ever gets back. I see now it is not how many files but now listed as a percent backed up .like 17% done 325 mb. geez Slower than slow.
 

ssmed

macrumors 6502a
Sep 28, 2009
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UK
I still see Time Machine trying to churn out files to my external drive. Sort of thinking I should wait a few weeks to see if it ever gets back. I see now it is not how many files but now listed as a percent backed up .like 17% done 325 mb. geez Slower than slow.
I would abandon time machine and use Carbon Copy Cloner with a fast external disk - fast and reliable.
 

RoelJuun

macrumors 6502
Aug 31, 2010
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Netherlands
For me all seems to work well. The only really big problem is that my ACD is stuck at max 50% brightness and there is no way to change this. The brightness slider is greyed out. This bug was already present in one of the betas I found out, but it still is there in the official release. Using a third party tool fixes the ability to change the brightness, but it cannot change >50% brightness.

Otherwise no problems so far.
 

SkiHound2

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Jul 15, 2018
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I installed on a 13" MBP running an intel i5. Haven't noticed any meaningful performance difference. And I've not had any issues to this point. Haven't upgraded my main work computer and will wait to make sure everything is stable and running well in Monterey.
 
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