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Yes you’re correct— I have no data. It’s a gut call.

Actually AI will have far greater impact on civilization than Christ did!!! And we’ll all be better off!

This sounds very culty and faith based.

AI is just a catch-all phrase. I can apply it to a toilet that flushes after I do a morning dump.

I can call it AI powered toilet instead of using the marketing slogan ‘smart toilet’ from 10 years ago.

So now we have AI toilet.

So much wow such life changing.

Or I could just flush the toilet myself and not fall for culty hype and marketing jargon.
 
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I was impressed actually it provided advice in a list form. Can’t wait to see what going forward the future holds. I can see the tool of bouncing ideas and questions back and forth.

That stuff it has advised you, you don’t even need. It’s general knowledge that is has scraped off hundreds of similar articles. No point in wasting computer resources and 100000 GPUs for such logical stuff.

And that’s why they will eventually charge people monthly subscriptions to use this stuff less wastefully. You’ll pay that 20 bucks a month for 2000 queries.
 
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I was impressed actually it provided advice in a list form. Can’t wait to see what going forward the future holds. I can see the tool of bouncing ideas and questions back and forth.
The interesting part for me is the transformation process, in the next prompts you can go infinite possibilities with very short prompts and tell it things like: “can you summarize it in very short points for a single presentation card?”, “make the points rhyme as a song”, different languages, what about instead of a gym a ballroom dancing class, etc
 
I was impressed actually it provided advice in a list form. Can’t wait to see what going forward the future holds. I can see the tool of bouncing ideas and questions back and forth.
Yes, the kind of things you might ask an assistant or co-worker to help with.

If I was sitting having lunch with my buddy or my wife and said, "I put on a little extra weight this winter that I'd like to get rid of, but I'm a little self-conscious about walking into a gym filled with hard bodies" and they replied, "why should I waste my incredible brain's time and energy answering such a simple question with such an obviously simple answer?" I'm not sure I'd want to spend a whole lot of time chatting with them in the future.

That said, there's a lot of people (myself included) who are using the free version of Chat GPT to test it out and see what it can do. Once it becomes a paid-only version, if it's not available elsewhere for free (where someone has implemented it -- in a browser, for example) we'll see far fewer people using it for far less trivial questions.
 
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It looks like most people from this community are more closed minded than my 90 years old grandpa. It's just a a tool people. If you use it properly it can be very powerful, even if it's not made by Apple. We are allowed to like non-Apple stuff, you know? No one is going to report you to Tim Cook.

Snark aside. :)
Yes it can "hallucinate" answers, but with Google in the last few years, I have been having similar issues. Too much nonsense to find the actual answer. Say you want to achieve something in Google Sheets or Excel. Or you want a quick shell command or script. It's about 10 times faster to ask Bing Chat or ChatGPT for the direct answer than to search through Google's Search Results. Try it out!
You can accomplish even more difficult (and more rewarding) flows. But you'll need half a brain and an open mind for that.
 
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In spite of what all of the naysayers are grousing about, ChatGPT can be a very useful tool.

I find it helpful in a number of situations at work. For example: inquiring about intricate IT infrastructure troubleshooting steps, efficiently gathering design specs and synthesizing other sorts of information from multiple sources involving single or multiple vendors/technologies.

I do not have any expectation that the accuracy will ever be 100% with some what humans have plastered everywhere online for decades. No doubt the fake news explosion of the past 7-10 years dumbed down AI effectiveness even further!

Human verification and validation is not going out the window in my world so I won't ever believe everything "output" from humans or computers :)
 
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In spite of what all of the naysayers are grousing about, ChatGPT can be a very useful tool.

I find it helpful in a number of situations at work. For example: inquiring about intricate IT infrastructure troubleshooting steps, efficiently gathering design specs and synthesizing other sorts of information from multiple sources involving single or multiple vendors/technologies.

I do not have any expectation that the accuracy will ever be 100% with some what humans have plastered everywhere online for decades. No doubt the fake news explosion of the past 7-10 years dumbed down AI effectiveness even further!

Human verification and validation is not going out the window in my world so I won't ever believe everything "output" from humans or computers :)
To add to what you've said, here's an excellent video on someone testing it in a way similar to you with an eye to Chat GPT (or something similar) replacing their programming/network jobs:


I found it a especially good example of how it's probably not stealing programming and engineering jobs, but how its help will change those jobs. Most impressive was how it would write working but sloppy code, then update it and improve it when asked. The comments from others using it in the same manner were also illuminating.
 
Interesting experiment in showing the differences between Bing's implementation of "Sydney" (based on Chatbot GPT 3.5) and Chat GPT 4:


At a glance, it looks like Microsoft has tried to make Bing more "human", which may explain why it seems more human (not necessarily in a *good* way). I appreciate that Chat GPT knows it's not human and doesn't pretend otherwise, because that way lies (very human) madness.

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Of course, chat bots will acknowledge that the ultimate super computer is human.

We are not just super computers, we are ultra mega galaxy brain computers 😛

The only reason people do dumb stuff is because of this convoluted world of ideologies, greed, cults and financial interests.

And one of those dumb things is the belief that chat bots and AI will massively change your life or do your jobs.

People fall for hype when they have a financial interest or cult-like belief in something.

Just like when they believed in blockchain until they got screwed by ponzi crypto bros and the wealthy crooks who control that sector.

Never forget, when that crap fell over the blockchain grifters changed gear and became AI grifters.

Same scam different flavor. They want your data and money and they want to burn through masses of GPUs and energy.

Will people ever stop falling for the grifts and scams promoted by wealthy insiders and sham news channels like CNBC?

Would be great if people saw this massive potential inside themselves…

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Of course, chat bots will acknowledge that the ultimate super computer is human.

We are not just super computers, we are ultra mega galaxy brain computers 😛

The only reason people do dumb stuff is because of this convoluted world of ideologies, greed, cults and financial interests.

And one of those dumb things is the belief that chat bots and AI will massively change your life or do your jobs.

People fall for hype when they have a financial interest or cult-like belief in something.

Just like when they believed in blockchain until they got screwed by ponzi crypto bros and the wealthy crooks who control that sector.

Never forget, when that crap fell over the blockchain grifters changed gear and became AI grifters.

Same scam different flavor. They want your data and money and they want to burn through masses of GPUs and energy.

Will people ever stop falling for the grifts and scams promoted by wealthy insiders and sham news channels like CNBC?

Would be great if people saw this massive potential inside themselves…

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Imagine Apple charging you for all that extra storage.
 
But this happens with EVERY advancement humans make since the industrial revolution. Every 10 years you can find a development that renders certain skill sets either useless or undesirable. Every single tool, invention and progression has done that to some humans somewhere - you have to to adapt, it opens new jobs and opportunities. Should we do away with the internet now because it's largely rendered the high street and shopping null and void meaning retail jobs are drying up? I don't know why i've offered one example as you could offer millions over the last 120 years.
Nicely done Dannys1
 
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To add to what you've said, here's an excellent video on someone testing it in a way similar to you with an eye to Chat GPT (or something similar) replacing their programming/network jobs:


I found it a especially good example of how it's probably not stealing programming and engineering jobs, but how its help will change those jobs. Most impressive was how it would write working but sloppy code, then update it and improve it when asked. The comments from others using it in the same manner were also illuminating.

I’m betting that a decade from now a high percentage of Coding will be done by AI. Especially as it will get better and better. Human Coders should be looking to be laid off. Sooner. Rather than later. Bring it now!
 
Of course, chat bots will acknowledge that the ultimate super computer is human.

We are not just super computers, we are ultra mega galaxy brain computers 😛

The only reason people do dumb stuff is because of this convoluted world of ideologies, greed, cults and financial interests.

Nope. People do dumb stuff because some are dumb. It's simple as that. There is a wide range of IQs on this planet. And not everybody is gifted.
 
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Of course, chat bots will acknowledge that the ultimate super computer is human.

We are not just super computers, we are ultra mega galaxy brain computers 😛

The only reason people do dumb stuff is because of this convoluted world of ideologies, greed, cults and financial interests.

And one of those dumb things is the belief that chat bots and AI will massively change your life or do your jobs.

People fall for hype when they have a financial interest or cult-like belief in something.

Just like when they believed in blockchain until they got screwed by ponzi crypto bros and the wealthy crooks who control that sector.

Never forget, when that crap fell over the blockchain grifters changed gear and became AI grifters.

Same scam different flavor. They want your data and money and they want to burn through masses of GPUs and energy.

Will people ever stop falling for the grifts and scams promoted by wealthy insiders and sham news channels like CNBC?

Would be great if people saw this massive potential inside themselves…

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I agree 100% at how incredibly powerful a healthy, human brain is, how much storage it has and how quickly it can randomly access those memories that are still intact over its organic pathways. It truly is a wonder, no question, no exaggeration.

Where it's lifetime of experiences and memories fall down is that at the end of each day, I would guess 99% of its day's "experiences" have been filtered out and/or flushed. Take a simple walk from one end of a shopping mall to the other, close your eyes and try to recall all of the sensory input your brain took in. How many people did you pass, what did they look like, what snatches of conversations did you overhear, what music was playing in the background where, what smells did you notice, even what stores did you pass from beginning to end and what order were they in, what was in their windows, and so on. You experienced all of it, but your brain filtered out the vast majority of it as unimportant and what it did retain, most of it your brain will flush very soon.

As to the memories that were more important, those get flushed or breakdown over time and are no longer accessible. How many other students were in your grade 2 classroom, what were their names (you most likely spent five or six hours a day in the same room with them, for nine or ten months)? What was the third book you read after you turned 10? What did you have for lunch on Thursday, six weeks ago?

It's odd that one of our biggest advantages humans have over machines is our imagination, yet it's the thing that helps corrupt so many of those older memories until our oldest memories are only part real and part imagined.

Anyway, yes, an 80-year old over their lifetime has stored an incredible amount of data, most of it now-corrupt and the vast majority of it what's still intact isn't of much use to the projects I want help with today.

I agree with you that it's important not to inflate or over-hype the expectations of what systems like Chat GPT will give us, but by the same token it's just as important not to be blinded to what real advantages are there.

Whether you agree or not, I think we've already seen some very positive examples of how people have used it to do some very useful tasks.
 
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Nope. People do dump stuff because some are dumb. It's simple as that. There is a wide range of IQs on this planet. And not everybody is gifted.

IQ tests are just IQ tests. They don’t tell you anything about how skilled people are at all the various professions. A person with a high IQ can be a terrible cook who can’t boil an egg.

Think harder before you insult vast swathes of humanity. They can easily ridicule you back for being weak at things they are better than you at.
 
I agree 100% at how incredibly powerful a healthy, human brain is, how much storage it has and how quickly it can randomly access those memories that are still intact over its organic pathways. It truly is a wonder, no question, no exaggeration.

Where it's lifetime of experiences and memories fall down is that at the end of each day, I would guess 99% of its day's "experiences" have been filtered out and/or flushed. Take a simple walk from one end of a shopping mall to the other, close your eyes and try to recall all of the sensory input your brain took in. How many people did you pass, what did they look like, what snatches of conversations did you overhear, what music was playing in the background where, what smells did you notice, even what stores did you pass from beginning to end and what order were they in, what was in their windows, and so on. You experienced all of it, but your brain filtered out the vast majority of it as unimportant and what it did retain, most of it your brain will flush very soon.

The filtering process, or rather focusing, is one of the reason’s why the brain is incredibly efficient.

But we will never be as advanced as the felidae. Those MFs are the peak. If we didn’t learn how to use fire, weapons and build walls those cats would have eaten us all by now.

So a few of them got close, allowed themselves to be domesticated, and now they rule homes and get free food. That’s genius.
 
The filtering process, or rather focusing, is one of the reason’s why the brain is incredibly efficient.

But we will never be as advanced as the felidae. Those MFs are the peak. If we didn’t learn how to use fire, weapons and build walls those cats would have eaten us all by now.

So a few of them got close, allowed themselves to be domesticated, and now they rule homes and get free food. That’s genius.
Yes, that's playing the long game! 😉
 
That stuff it has advised you, you don’t even need. It’s general knowledge that is has scraped off hundreds of similar articles. No point in wasting computer resources and 100000 GPUs for such logical stuff.

That's not so different from the tons of articles written by humans - with trivial stuff where each one seems a copy of another article.
And of course what's trivial for someone, like how to boil an egg or how to start building that nuclear reactor in your garage, is new information for someone else.
 
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How does one gracefully handle when the chatbot session expires?

In the browser, I would simply pin the tab as the first one so it maps to Command + 1, and whenever the session expires I would simply refresh the page, go through the validation and that's it. Until there's a nicer way to refresh the session for MenuGPT, I find having it as a browser tab the simpler approach.
 
That's not so different from the tons of articles written by humans - with trivial stuff where each one seems a copy of another article.
And of course what's trivial for someone, like how to boil an egg or how to start building that nuclear reactor in your garage, is new information for someone else.
In the case of something like the anxiety about walking through the gym door, it should be considered that there's usually more than one way to both solve a puzzle, but also often more than one way to define the puzzle. In the case of anxiety about going through the gym door, the person may see the problem as going through the door while anxious, and focused on that (while suffering any level of anxiety about it) and might be blind to the option of preparing a lot before going through the door to reduce the anxiety first; it's too separate problems, pushing through the door while suffering anxiety versus reducing the anxiety ahead of time. Everyone's different, and it's not necessarily about intelligence or obvious answers. What's simple and obvious to one person may not be so to another.

As an anecdote, I was working in the Arctic circle in the early 1980s on a drill site doing oil exploration (on- and off-shore) when I was having coffee with the geologist on site. He was puzzled as to why were there at that time (obviously he knew we were there to look for oil reserves). At the time, absolutely everything we had on site cost more because everything had to be flown from southern Alberta to the drill sites (most were just south of the North Pole). Millions were spent on each drill site, and fuel costs alone were a large part of it. Not only did we have to fly the fuel all that way to keep all the machinery running, we also had to haul enough jet fuel to be able to refuel the jets carrying us both ways, once a week for each site, and so on. A jet missing a landing used hundreds of dollars worth of fuel just circling around for another approach. Anyway, the world had an "abundance" of oil at the time and with so much cheap oil fairly freely available, he didn't understand spending millions of dollars per hole just to look for oil when it wasn't really needed.

He just wasn't clearly seeing the problem. Sure, each hole cost millions even though fuel was cheap; if we didn't start exploring until we needed the oil, exploring for it then would cost billions or more instead of merely millions. As it stands, inflation alone from then to now would have tripled the cost if we started now, probably more if the price of the fuel needed had more than tripled.

Anyway, to bring things a little more back to the topic, I'm currently only using Chat GPT occasionally, once I ramp up a bit more I will most likely install the software if I find it'll save me time, though I'd much prefer to have an option from Apple (I try to use as little system-level third party software as possible). We know that Apple has AI/ML research staff, I think adding an optional implementation of something like ChatGTP 4 (or higher) with full guard rails in place to Siri might have me actually using Siri a lot more often (current usage is almost zero these days).
 
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