Interesting. All I can say is there security is comprised unless they were able to implement security beyond what comes out of the box.
Edit: The iphone just does not offer the protection an enterprise Blackberry solution does.
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HTC hero 'Android' vs iPhone 3G S
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Interesting. All I can say is there security is comprised unless they were able to implement security beyond what comes out of the box.
Edit: The iphone just does not offer the protection an enterprise Blackberry solution does.
iPhone is not ready for Business at all as YET PERIOD! and its all coz of security its okay for consumers for games and songs thats all nothing else..
yes its got emails but lack of security ..
i work for a Major IT firm and our company did think about getting iphone for work but on test it just failed...
iPhone is a great and i use it but honestly its just phone with lots bunch of icons on home screen and that all
1) the good thing was on iphone it was a multitouch and HTC hero come up with that and other bits in HTC hero far far far faaaar better then iPhone.
How sad is this that you cannot even put your own ring tones just drag and drop... its mission to get ring tones on iphone if you compare with rest of the phones. anyway
i still say iphone is great and not as good now when i start using the HTC hero..
Poster, you have some of the weirdest ramblings I have seen recently. You remind of the IPHONE 3GS, Hot like a Pizza dude from a couple of weeks ago. You say some insightful things and then you add a some nonsense about "How sad is this that you cannot even put your own ring tones" or your previous statement about "Europe had blah blah features for 10 years" earlier in the thread.
Are you selling the HTCs or something? Send me one for a dollar (US) 'cause that's all I'd pay for it. The hardware is crap. Great specs, crap hardware. Sorry, face it. Your jealous.
You must not be telling us everything your doing over there
Then how are all these companies using it? How are doctors using it? BTW I put my own ring on and very easily. Go to Myxer.com and down load it to you computer and drag and drop it to iTunes. It's that easy and that's how I did it for past cell phones also. Level 3 Communications HSBC are just 2 companies off had that uses iPhones, not to mention Doctors use it a lot.
Apple doesn't offer the security for the iPhone, but there are ways around it and why companies have started to use it. If you're in IT you should know this.
Even though your not responding directly to me, I would be very interested to know what other companies are doing to beef of security on the iphone. (not sarcasm, I just like to see what they implemented)
Things that would have to be available to IT
1: Remote wipe, and not through MobileMe
2: Hardware encryption where the encryption keys on the device are in encrypted. (I read that the encryption key on the iphone may not itself be encrypted.)
3: Policy control, where an individual company can control what applications are allowed on the device
4: Better password security for the entire device, 4 pin passcode does not cut.
I don't know anything about what is required of Doctors, nor did you mention what they doing on the iphone or what kind of data they have stored there.
If you want to see what security is take a look at Options/Security options on a Blackberry.
This is what BB security is about:
http://docs.blackberry.com/en/admin/deliverables/7127/BB_Ent_Soln_Security_5_0_0_STO.pdf
How HSBC is using iPhone for corporate email is truly remarkable. I wonder how they match the security of BES server. Not to say anything is fool proof, but iphone with corporate bank email seems foolhardy.
I'm not sure what is done to do this. My friend at Level 3 is a field engineer and the other is just a supervisor at HSBC, but the like to rub it in how they have iPhones for work. They can also down load any app they want as far as I know also. For doctors, I just linked a thread that said doctors are using iPhones, and even my doctor uses it. He said they have apps just for the hospital he is at and it does everything on it. I even saw it on the news a while back (about 2 months ago). I'm not in IT so I have no idea how this is done, but I just see it and report it. My company is even testing stuff on the iPhone. I can do some work stuff on it now for work because some of the stuff is web-biased, but I don't want to break my person iPhone for work.
Thanks for the honest answer.
I would imagine Doctors are governed by HIPAA and all that it entails.
Banks for one have the SEC to contend with. At one point, SMS had to be blocked because it could not be captured by the company. I don't know if that is still the case, but its little things like that which you can do in a BB environment that I don't know is possible right now with a an Iphone.
Can a company delete the SMS and Itunes icon?
Can you enforce password requirement centrally?
Can you change a password on a device remotely?
Can you lock the device so no apps can be installed by user?
Can you push apps remotely?
I have an account at HSBC and I have yet to see a Bank Officer with an iphone, all I see is Blackberry. The secnario you posted sounds more like a one off situation.
Both friends do text me from their work iPhones and has music on them.They also download any app they want because I get "check this out" when I see one of them. I meet with the one for lunch about once a week, so I'll see if he knows anything.
Well I did not mean to imply that itunes on the iphone is an SEC violation. I am not sure that SMS is still a problem as there may be a way for a company to log that info.
This is what the info I found:
SEC, NASD and NYSE Regulations
In addition to Sarbanes-Oxley, SEC and non-government securities organizations have regulations in place that require strict record keeping by brokers, dealers, and financial services organizations.
Section 17(a) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, Rule 17a-4 of the Exchange Act, NYSE Rule 440, and NASD Rule 3110 require the preservation for three years, and preservation in an accessible place for two years, electronic communications relating to the business of the firm, including interoffice memoranda and communications. That includes e-mail and relevant instant-message correspondence.
For more information, see http://www.law.uc.edu/CCL/34ActRls/rule17a-4.html#top.
However, if the IT Dept. is worth it's salt, they would certainly remove the App & Itunes store. Do these iphones belong to HSBC or the end user?
Poster, you have some of the weirdest ramblings I have seen recently. You remind of the IPHONE 3GS, Hot like a Pizza dude from a couple of weeks ago. You say some insightful things and then you add a some nonsense about "How sad is this that you cannot even put your own ring tones" or your previous statement about "Europe had blah blah features for 10 years" earlier in the thread.
Are you selling the HTCs or something? Send me one for a dollar (US) 'cause that's all I'd pay for it. The hardware is crap. Great specs, crap hardware. Sorry, face it. Your jealous.
You must not be telling us everything your doing over there
well it was my own opinion about like or dislike some of the iphone restrictions... in terms of selling HTC hero no.. correct HTC hardware is not as good as iphone and the look of it not good as iphone.. i meant only the OS UI vs iPhone OS.
however iPhone is still no where near as a business smart phone.
neather HTC hero.
at the moment Blackberry proper business smart phone if you talk about security and and stuff.
Man in every video review I have seen on the Hero the touch screen has terrible responsiveness and lag. It looks way worse that a year old Jail broken 3G with winter board and all that crap running. Great Idea, but if that's the best its going to run right out of the box that is pathetic.
And as far as corporate use I work IT for a call center in Florida. We have about 10 accounts including ATT, Sprint, Satellite internet etc, and we use iphones. All the Team leaders that manage the agents taking phone calls use Nextel phones. I got the approval to use the iphone from my supervisor and now the IT department are permitted to use iphones. We don't have any restrictions as far as music, apps, etc...
And as far as corporate use I work IT for a call center in Florida. We have about 10 accounts including ATT, Sprint, Satellite internet etc, and we use iphones. All the Team leaders that manage the agents taking phone calls use Nextel phones. I got the approval to use the iphone from my supervisor and now the IT department are permitted to use iphones. We don't have any restrictions as far as music, apps, etc...
It won't kill the iPhone. It has too much stuff and Americans tend to like thinking "copy and paste" and "video recording" are revolutionary and like waiting 3 years for it to become available. Phones like the nokia tube, n97, htc diamon, sony xpiara or what ever which are very advanced, way more then the iphone, haven't even catched up to the iphone. (americans) like simplicity , this phone will be a hit, but not in the U.S
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when i say phones like the n97, 5800, sony xperia, etc aren't even close to as successful as the iphone in the U.S? Even though they are way more advanced? Why don't you think HTC,Nokia, , Sony, etc offer some phones in north america at all? Because they know americans aren't ready for them yet. Mean while europeans have them and get them at prices like €0 or €80 for the HTC hero
1. How are those phones "more advanced" than the iphone?
2. The iphone is not only a huge success in the US but worldwide.
3. Are you trying to insult Americans here? I honestly can't tell.
I'm glad you like your Hero, but at this point, this thread smacks of little more than trolling.
Oh come on! Do some research first before you make comments like that which have no facts at all.
First, the problem with Nokia (i live in Finland - the nokia country) is that they don't have got much deals with the carriers. Nokia tries to sell the phones with the market price (smartphones maybe from 400euros ->). And we all know what's the deal in US...most of the phones are heavily subsidiced and the prices are low, but the negative side is that your deals with the carrier are ridicilous.
In Finland we would like to buy our phones without carrier locks, and that's how we have done for a long time. Subsidity phones have been availabe here couple of years now (only 3G models are allowed). We have much lower prices in call minutes etc, and we don't have to pay for incoming texts or calls etc.
But still, here in europe, most companies use Nokia phones because they have good business support stuff for example. Although the phones are crap, atleast on the system level (Symbian is so bloat). HTC WinMo phones are also kind of popular here, but I don't think Hero will have any better support if you compare it to the iPhone. That's how the companies are looking...they like to stick with the familiar phone makers (Nokia, S-E).
Android phones will not be a big hit on the business side here either.
And your comments about the multitouch with the Hero...it's nothing compared to Apples. For example...Google Maps doesn't have the zoom in/out gestures, and that's just example. Also the hardware in Hero is a little bit outdate, atleast the CPU, and the phone will start to lag if you have lot of widgets running.
yes indeed its a huge success worldwide and when i got my self 1st iphone i decided to get my first mac and it was a great move and i waste 15 years using Microsoft windows where mac was just a great OS and i have iphone 3gs and got to say its great.
and no i am not trying to insult americans even though i am american living in UK...
my main point was it took ages but at the end iphone did really a fantastic job and blow other companies mind away.. specially the multi touch and the OS in iPhone
I just don't like the restriction on iPhone.
after 2 years iPhone come up with MMS but in US still At&T not allowed MMS .
Why so slow and they have the skills and everything i think apple taking its time only to bringing every new apps with new iphone .. dont know what will be coming on the next iPhone?
I wish if apple open the door apart from third party apps ie multi tasking as its got great hardware speed ...
where HTC hero is okay hard ware is not good as iPhone at all.. i have to say though the Android OS is great.
sorry if there are mistakes typing via mobile phone ...
I stand corrected:
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2009/07/iphone_security_overview.pdf
Edit: Hmmm, now I am not sure:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/iphone-encryption/
I know a boatload of doctors with iPhones (myself included) and although we use them at work, it's only for Epocrates and a conversation piece to brag to our coworkers about (that is, nothing really of substance) . There is no program out there that I know doctors are actively/widely adopting that handles Protected Health Information (PHI). Therefore, HIPAA is non-issue.
For any doctors out there, is anyone using their iPhone for anything actually work-related that handles PHI (like charts, labs, etc.)?
I want to thank you for sharing what you source have told you. I did not want to dismiss what you said out of hand, so it lead me to do more research about how these companies are doing it. As I posted earlier, I stand corrected.
I did more digging after my last post and found the iPhone Configuration Utility 2.0 for Windows. I knew this was not new and that people on Macrumors knew about it so I searched the fourms and found these two threads:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/738421/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/731408/
The iPhone configuration utility is here:
http://www.apple.com/support/iphone/enterprise/
So even though I am not on an enterprise server, in less than 20 minutes I was able to change my password screen as shown in the picture. (Picture not mine but it shows exactly what my screen looks like. )
I have wanted a longer alpha\numeric password for some reason and now I have it.
Now to convince my IT department....
Had my Hero for a week now and it's going great, also to confirm, switching to Class 6 clears up any lag, I have zero issues with this now, smooth as you like, out of the box it was very frustrating though!