We have two Vision Pro's and I have never owned a foldable phone so I don't believe I am qualified to call foldables as dead-ends. But I would never buy one Apple or otherwise.
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It's similar to the situation between Blackberry and Apple in 2006, but only this time, Apple is the incumbent. I believe that AI and certainly foldable devices have only been warning shots so far and that no real threat to Apple will emerge from this, but one day... if they are not careful and do not speed up their innovation cycles.
HobeSoundDarryl
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We don't see Apple's foldable work because they don't release innovation cycles, they release products.
Well this one is a wild ride.
That’s a terrible analogy. Laptops fold because keyboards are still the most accurate productivity surface out there. And screens are needed.
Not because devices need to fold. That is an optimisation after the requirement is defined.
Some laptops fold wrongly as well. I am eternally fed up of Lenovo machines leaving piles of human detritus all over the tables in coffee shops because someone decided to use their Yoga keyboard side down. Vile machines.
Or not bother. That one needs to be considered. I’m sure Apple have done plenty of user studies here or they’d be ok the market with it already.
A hinge is not a hinge. A hinge is a mechanical component. When you start turning it from a mechanical component into a complex substrate of many parts which are flex, temperature and impact sensitive you make trade offs which are probably not a good idea. You multiply the overall failure risk several orders of magnitude.
Flexible OLED panels do wear.
Yes and neither are foldable panels.
Glass backs are incredibly strong. They also do not permanently deform if you bend them like metals.
Now we’re just going off the rails.
Nothing related to the other point. Unless you want to consider that the flexible OLED screen is glued to the substrate. Also that “IMO” is probably wrong on glue and sealants. Might want to spend some time working on ruggedized military electronics and failure modelling (I have) before comparing about glue and sealants. Wait until you hear about potted things!
No. This is poor engineering propped up by marketers.
Again away from the original discussion. The batteries are perfectly removable and replaceable just not by the usual idiots who will do it with a shovel after 6 beers.
That’s a terrible analogy. Laptops fold because keyboards are still the most accurate productivity surface out there. And screens are needed.
Not because devices need to fold. That is an optimisation after the requirement is defined.
Some laptops fold wrongly as well. I am eternally fed up of Lenovo machines leaving piles of human detritus all over the tables in coffee shops because someone decided to use their Yoga keyboard side down. Vile machines.
Or not bother. That one needs to be considered. I’m sure Apple have done plenty of user studies here or they’d be ok the market with it already.
A hinge is not a hinge. A hinge is a mechanical component. When you start turning it from a mechanical component into a complex substrate of many parts which are flex, temperature and impact sensitive you make trade offs which are probably not a good idea. You multiply the overall failure risk several orders of magnitude.
Flexible OLED panels do wear.
Yes and neither are foldable panels.
Glass backs are incredibly strong. They also do not permanently deform if you bend them like metals.
Now we’re just going off the rails.
Nothing related to the other point. Unless you want to consider that the flexible OLED screen is glued to the substrate. Also that “IMO” is probably wrong on glue and sealants. Might want to spend some time working on ruggedized military electronics and failure modelling (I have) before comparing about glue and sealants. Wait until you hear about potted things!
No. This is poor engineering propped up by marketers.
Again away from the original discussion. The batteries are perfectly removable and replaceable just not by the usual idiots who will do it with a shovel after 6 beers.
Then leave, however not sure what people are expecting from a phone. The iPhone does everything I need it to do and then some.
I’ve seen about 10 foldables in the wild. I know of one person to own a second gen fold who hated it and went back to normal Samsung.
Who wants a phone with a physical hinge. It’s bad enough with a laptop that gets opened 10 times a day.
The island is at the top of the screen, not sure how you miss a crease in the middle of the screen.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Not poking at you or your personal interests. The point was that the whole crowd could have written most of that BEFORE Apple embraced phablets... and then almost all of them flipped to phablets as soon as Apple went there. It was as if what they passionately believed- and wrote down- before Apple offered phablets evaporated as soon as Apple launched them.
Now we have non-Apple competitors experimenting with foldable phones. There is overwhelming contempt with rationale that reads much like the rationale against phablets. I wonder what will happen when Apple rolls out their crack at a fold/roll/other? Rhetorical. I've seen this same movie many times.
It's more than just Apple products that are made in China. Look at Apple's suppliers list. Many of the companies that supply parts to Apple have factories in China or are Chinese owned. If they all lost those Apple contracts or non-Chinese own companies pulled out of China, that would devaste the Chinese economy.
The economy is already very weak
The pillars of China's economy are in a free fall that's getting worse
"Price indicators in the NBS manufacturing survey suggest deflationary pressures picked up significantly."
BEIJING, Aug 31 (Reuters) - China's manufacturing activity sank to a six-month low in August as factory gate prices tumbled and owners struggled for orders, an official survey showed on Saturday, pressuring policymakers to press on with plans to direct more stimulus to households.
Producers reported factory gate prices were their worst in 14 months, plunging to 42 from 46.3 in July, while the new orders and new export orders sub-indices remained firmly in negative territory and manufacturers maintained a hiring halt.
So much hate for a foldable phone by another company but if Apple announced one there would be people throwing their Apple credit cards at this thread.
I’d like an iphone that would fold into an iPad mini!
I’d like an iphone that would fold into an iPad mini!
Back in the days Huawei was able to sell their phones in Europe they already were able to shift the focus on photos after you took them. Their midrange cameras matches or outclasses the pro models of iPhone. They really took the market by storm before they got banned. They also used Leica lenses. A synonym for professional lenses.
It’s actually quite smart they will hold their keynote at the same time Apple is holding theirs. Huawei (Xiaomi is a sister brand) also introduces their EV which Apple wasn’t able to deliver and it already gives Tesla a hard time in China.
I’m sure they will outmatch Apple on every front with their keynote and I think Apple will have a hard time in the future selling their gear in China and other Asian markets. Xiaomi is a sister brand of Huawei and they still sell in Europe.
China is where the consumer tech comes from these days and even all Apple products are produced there.
If technology companies want to survive (and I’m not talking about Apple alone here) they have to get more vertical integration and produce in the USA or Europe more.
Brands like Lenovo, Motorola al already Chinese. Hisense is on its way to get the biggest tv maker and bought the American Vizio.
Don’t forget Apple already lowered their iPhone prices in China three times already and they still didn’t manage not losing marketshare.
I really hope Apple will step up in development and the iPhone 16 will not be an incremental update the rumors told. They need something big and soon.
The idea of foldable suffers from various design issues: thickness/loss of battery life, fragility, ergonomics, aspect ratio, on-screen typing, user experience of the transitions, usability while folded, catching on clothing while being pocketed, etc.
I don't expect Apple to release a foldable phone until the majority of those are solved (and I say that believing some of them are unsolvable).
So are you asking me what I'll think if Apple releases a foldable that is substantially better in many ways than any foldable that came before it?
Or are you asking what I'll think if Apple releases a crap product into a crap space?
I don’t know what everyone is complaining about.
I, for one, love noticeable creases in a screen powered by questionable software.
I, for one, love noticeable creases in a screen powered by questionable software.
Don't get me started on the software. I haven't finished complaining about the screen yet!
Seeing as the market for folding phones grew almost 50% over the past year I’d say they are doing fine, but it doesn’t fit a triggered apple fans agenda like yours so it makes sense
So the current 2 screen is $2000!!!!! And appears to have a resale value of nothing. Nope.
Well google is also selling foldables as is Samsung. Huawei is giving consumers far more value for money. Apple will never give up their big profits and will hold to it for as long as they can as long as Timmy is CEO.