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apolloa

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I think I'll need a new computer soon, as much as I love my iPad Pro it can't do everything. And I am excited to see what Microsoft launch today because I feel they will be more powerful, and cheaper then the computers Apple will launch in a couple of days.
Hmm maybe I could get a Surface Pro and 4K external monitor even.

Will be an interesting afternoon today.
 
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burgman

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It seems that Microsoft learned a thing or two from Apple ... including pricing .... $2999 !
Sure you could build your own cheaper... Or maybe not. It does seem to be a niche specialty product, hope it doesn't follow the 12.9 iPad Pro decline.
 

v0lume4

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I think I'll need a new computer soon, as much as I love my iPad Pro it can't do everything. And I am excited to see what Microsoft launch today because I feel they will be more powerful, and cheaper then the computers Apple will launch in a couple of days.
Hmm maybe I could get a Surface Pro and 4K external monitor even.

Will be an interesting afternoon today.
I'm in the same boat as you. I'll probably get a Surface Book for my next machine and then hook it up to a nice monitor when I'm at home. This may sound ridiculous, but I rarely hook my MacBook up to an external monitor simply because i hate macOS's mouse movement. Windows nails mouse movement.

However macOS handles trackpads far better than Windows. So pick your poison, I guess.

Anyway! It'll be cool to upgrade my iPad AND laptop all in one purchase. :D Do you think you'll buy yours soon, assuming you are unimpressed by Apple's event tomorrow?
 

apolloa

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I'm in the same boat as you. I'll probably get a Surface Book for my next machine and then hook it up to a nice monitor when I'm at home. This may sound ridiculous, but I rarely hook my MacBook up to an external monitor simply because i hate macOS's mouse movement. Windows nails mouse movement.

However macOS handles trackpads far better than Windows. So pick your poison, I guess.

Anyway! It'll be cool to upgrade my iPad AND laptop all in one purchase. :D Do you think you'll buy yours soon, assuming you are unimpressed by Apple's event tomorrow?

I won't get one for a while as I need the money first. Like that new Book but it's a bit expensive. Still very nice and good specs too.
 
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MRU

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It seems that Microsoft learned a thing or two from Apple ... including pricing .... $2999 !

Actually pricing is very competitive if you are a digital artist like myself and are pricing it compared to a good sized Wacom Cintiq Display.

Here you get all the computer, not just a screen and within the same price point.
 
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David58117

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I also bought a SB recently.

I'm actually pretty frustrated with the iPad Pro - I've waited since launch, and there is nothing comparable to the quality of staffpad.

I find the writing experience better on the iPad, and thought for sure something comparable would be out by now, but nope! What is out, isn't at the staffpad level.

I really hope apple gets it together today, but based the rumors, I'm pretty certain I'll continue with Microsoft.
 

epicrayban

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Apple once again screws over the lower tier one, just like on the iPhone.

iPhone 7 missing dual camera -- the premiere feature of the new iPhone.

New MacBook Pro 13" has no Touch bar or Touch ID -- the premiere features of the new MacBook Pro.

This trend from them is tiring.

EDIT: The lowest tier of the 13" doesn't have the Touch bar. The higher tier 13" models do. Not as bad as the iPhone, but still.
 

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I really do not like these butterfly switches... I bought a rMB but I seldom use it for typing and those few times I will type a page or two.
So this new keyboard at least for me is a no no as daily driver.
 

apolloa

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It seems that Microsoft learned a thing or two from Apple ... including pricing .... $2999 !

Hahahaha not after today's event and the massive price hike of MacBook Pros they haven't, Apple are STILL the super kings of stupid ridiculous pricing for poor specifications.
[doublepost=1477596055][/doublepost]Right, anyone want to hazard a guess for U.K. pricing of the new Surface Studio?
 

spinedoc77

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It seems that Microsoft learned a thing or two from Apple ... including pricing .... $2999 !

Yeah MS has been pretty smart about its pricing. They are able to walk the walk in that their hardware is up there in terms of quality, fit and finish and customer support as Apple. If I was in the market for a desktop I'd definitely consider one of these, but my 5 year old i5/GTX970 and 40" 4k monitor work just fine for the moment at home, although I AM considering one of these for work. The tilt and draw aspect of this device really looks incredible for artists and graphic designers though, and I have a feeling $2999 isn't bad at all when compared to other solutions.
 

epicrayban

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I love how Apple's rationale behind the Touch bar is that your arms get tired lifting them up to the screen with other touch screen hybrids/laptops.

One, they must've not seen all those hybrid tablet/laptops that can fold down and stand in different ways. And two, how do they explain the iPad paired with the keyboard? How do they figure people maintain their arm strength using those?

I actually think the Touch bar is cool, but their rationale behind some of their methods fall flat. And their price gouging and forcing people to spend extra money in order to enjoy the latest big feature is tiring.

This is nothing new from me, but the charm of Apple is wearing off. And wearing off on a lot of people I know personally, too. Of course, the brand is still very strong, but this is how perceptions change; little by little. I've been saying and warning for over a year now: Apple is being beat on a number of different fronts across their entire lineup. They have the branding strength and the bank to take their time, but that's not exactly the best thing for the consumer.
 
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mclld

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The touch bar looks awesome to me but the thinness obsession is tiring. imo the pro was already thin and light for and there is a small mac for those who want it. I also do not like the removal of more ports and the keyboard change. How are you going to sell a laptop that will not by default let you connect your own phone to????
 

epicrayban

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The touch bar looks awesome to me but the thinness obsession is tiring. imo the pro was already thin and light for and there is a small mac for those who want it. I also do not like the removal of more ports and the keyboard change. How are you going to sell a laptop that will not by default let you connect your own phone to????

100% this. Losing useful ports like the SD card is particularly annoying.

I was considering a new MacBook because mine is not holding its charge. I could get the battery swapped out, but I wanted to see what they'd unveil to maybe just buy a whole new laptop, but after the showing, no thanks. I'll save the money and just get the battery replaced in my rMBP 13".

I don't foresee myself leaving OSX as quickly as I left iOS, but the desire to change is sadly spilling over little by little. At this rate, at these prices, there may come a day when I'll reach that crossroad with computers, too.
 

tbayrgs

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I love how Apple's rationale behind the Touch bar is that your arms get tired lifting them up to the screen with other touch screen hybrids/laptops.

One, they must've not seen all those hybrid tablet/laptops that can fold down and stand in different ways. And two, how do they explain the iPad paired with the keyboard? How do they figure people maintain their arm strength using those?

I actually think the Touch bar is cool, but their rationale behind some of their methods fall flat. And their price gouging and forcing people to spend extra money in order to enjoy the latest big feature is tiring.

This is nothing new from me, but the charm of Apple is wearing off. And wearing off on a lot of people I know personally, too. Of course, the brand is still very strong, but this is how perceptions change; little by little. I've been saying and warning for over a year now: Apple is being beat on a number of different fronts across their entire lineup. They have the branding strength and the bank to take their time, but that's not exactly the best thing for the consumer.

Sadly, I'm right there with ya in heart but in reality, still find the Apple ecosystem more enticing...at the moment.

I find myself in a bit of a technology no-mans land at the moment. I love the direction that Google is heading with the apparent dedication (never know with Google, unfortunately) to top level hardware to best take advantage of their industry leading services and superior position to utilize our data to build the optimal experience. However, they full ecosystem just isn't there yet--their tablet support and desktop OS just can't replace what Apple presently offers, IMO. Using an Android phone with other ecosystems just isn't as effortless as immersing in one as I personally prefer to do.

Apple, is frustrating the hell out of me over the past couple years. Their OS development, both mobile and desktop, continue to progress at a snail's pace and while I still prefer them over their competitors in so many ways, nothing about their new software or hardware feels inspiring---more just like waving shiny baubles in to distract their customers while they empty their wallets. Examples--the taptic home button on the iPhone--what problem is it actually solving? It still performs the exact same function, as its old mechanical counterpart, generally feels less responsive, and due to the extra space needed for its hardware, contributed to the removal of the headphone jack. Ohhh, but it now vibrates!!! :rolleyes: The Touch Bar feels like more of the same---a shiny new feature for the sake of adding a shiny new feature, something Apple added more because they can than whether it's actually the best solution to accomplish their goals. First thing I thought of was LG's second screen on the V20--let's put some information and shortcuts as far away from your hands as possible. My hands are already closer to the Touch Pad, where I can navigate and control functions on-screen without having to look where I'm placing my fingers. Now I have to reach further towards the screen and try to tap pretty small targets, that will change depending on what I'm doing---but wow, thank God I don't have to reach so much further to the screen, something Apple already had it's customer's doing on their iPPs when used with their Smart Keyboard. :rolleyes:

And on top of that, continue the trend of removing useful ports by eliminating all traditional USB ports, a port that ALL of your portable devices (phone, tablet, watch) use to charge or communicate, as well as the overwelming majority of all other USB accessories. While your at it, might as well get rid of the SD slot, something just about EVERY single camera utilizes to store video/photos. Oh, another thing---make us adopted a different input for our headphones on your mobile phone but require that we use the old solution you have professed as out-dated for your computers. Makes sense. :rolleyes::mad: Lastly, offend us even further by charging a more obscene amount of money than ever because you're trying to find some way to stem the bleeding from your bottom line.

But the worst part of all of this is that the Mac/iPad/iPhone/Apple Watch combo still provides me with the best overall experience (IMO). So if I want to impact Apple is the most efficient way, with my wallet, I have to live with what I feel is a compromised experience using other company's hardware (for now).

Microsoft--I'm sorry, while you've been upping your game with PC hardware the past couple years, I still find using Windows even more uninspiring and you also cannot provide a fully functional ecosystem.

Sorry for the rant but I'm obviously quite frustrated by it all. The hardware and OS's I prefer are from a company that's really starting to aggravate the hell out of me and the company who's future looks the brightest still can't offer me the optimal user experience. Hate being in limbo like this.
 

Michael Goff

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Sadly, I'm right there with ya in heart but in reality, still find the Apple ecosystem more enticing...at the moment.

I find myself in a bit of a technology no-mans land at the moment. I love the direction that Google is heading with the apparent dedication (never know with Google, unfortunately) to top level hardware to best take advantage of their industry leading services and superior position to utilize our data to build the optimal experience. However, they full ecosystem just isn't there yet--their tablet support and desktop OS just can't replace what Apple presently offers, IMO. Using an Android phone with other ecosystems just isn't as effortless as immersing in one as I personally prefer to do.

Apple, is frustrating the hell out of me over the past couple years. Their OS development, both mobile and desktop, continue to progress at a snail's pace and while I still prefer them over their competitors in so many ways, nothing about their new software or hardware feels inspiring---more just like waving shiny baubles in to distract their customers while they empty their wallets. Examples--the taptic home button on the iPhone--what problem is it actually solving? It still performs the exact same function, as its old mechanical counterpart, generally feels less responsive, and due to the extra space needed for its hardware, contributed to the removal of the headphone jack. Ohhh, but it now vibrates!!! :rolleyes: The Touch Bar feels like more of the same---a shiny new feature for the sake of adding a shiny new feature, something Apple added more because they can than whether it's actually the best solution to accomplish their goals. First thing I thought of was LG's second screen on the V20--let's put some information and shortcuts as far away from your hands as possible. My hands are already closer to the Touch Pad, where I can navigate and control functions on-screen without having to look where I'm placing my fingers. Now I have to reach further towards the screen and try to tap pretty small targets, that will change depending on what I'm doing---but wow, thank God I don't have to reach so much further to the screen, something Apple already had it's customer's doing on their iPPs when used with their Smart Keyboard. :rolleyes:

And on top of that, continue the trend of removing useful ports by eliminating all traditional USB ports, a port that ALL of your portable devices (phone, tablet, watch) use to charge or communicate, as well as the overwelming majority of all other USB accessories. While your at it, might as well get rid of the SD slot, something just about EVERY single camera utilizes to store video/photos. Oh, another thing---make us adopted a different input for our headphones on your mobile phone but require that we use the old solution you have professed as out-dated for your computers. Makes sense. :rolleyes::mad: Lastly, offend us even further by charging a more obscene amount of money than ever because you're trying to find some way to stem the bleeding from your bottom line.

But the worst part of all of this is that the Mac/iPad/iPhone/Apple Watch combo still provides me with the best overall experience (IMO). So if I want to impact Apple is the most efficient way, with my wallet, I have to live with what I feel is a compromised experience using other company's hardware (for now).

Microsoft--I'm sorry, while you've been upping your game with PC hardware the past couple years, I still find using Windows even more uninspiring and you also cannot provide a fully functional ecosystem.

Sorry for the rant but I'm obviously quite frustrated by it all. The hardware and OS's I prefer are from a company that's really starting to aggravate the hell out of me and the company who's future looks the brightest still can't offer me the optimal user experience. Hate being in limbo like this.

Curious. What part of an ecosystem don't they provide?
 

apolloa

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I love how Apple's rationale behind the Touch bar is that your arms get tired lifting them up to the screen with other touch screen hybrids/laptops.

One, they must've not seen all those hybrid tablet/laptops that can fold down and stand in different ways. And two, how do they explain the iPad paired with the keyboard? How do they figure people maintain their arm strength using those?

I actually think the Touch bar is cool, but their rationale behind some of their methods fall flat. And their price gouging and forcing people to spend extra money in order to enjoy the latest big feature is tiring.

This is nothing new from me, but the charm of Apple is wearing off. And wearing off on a lot of people I know personally, too. Of course, the brand is still very strong, but this is how perceptions change; little by little. I've been saying and warning for over a year now: Apple is being beat on a number of different fronts across their entire lineup. They have the branding strength and the bank to take their time, but that's not exactly the best thing for the consumer.

It's all perfect sense really, no rationale behind it, just pure marketing and sales talk, they will say whatever they feel promotes and sells the product in question, they really do t care about being hypocritical or contradicting, just sales and advertising.
 
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tbayrgs

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Curious. What part of an ecosystem don't they provide?

Phone, tablet, smartwatch, and simple multimedia. I don't like Window 10 as pure tablet OS--explained in another post in another thread that I find Windows tablets unenjoyable to use (own a Samsung TabPro S). Yes, I understand the Xbox provides multi-media functionality but it's laborous and clunky to use, IMO--the onboard OS is a P.I.T.A to use and it's overkill or simply things like streaming music or steaming video. Nothing comparable to quickly casting to Chromecasts (video or audio) or even AirPlay.
 

Michael Goff

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Phone, tablet, smartwatch, and simple multimedia. I don't like Window 10 as pure tablet OS--explained in another post in another thread that I find Windows tablets unenjoyable to use (own a Samsung TabPro S). Yes, I understand the Xbox provides multi-media functionality but it's laborous and clunky to use, IMO--the onboard OS is a P.I.T.A to use and it's overkill or simply things like streaming music or steaming video. Nothing comparable to quickly casting to Chromecasts (video or audio) or even AirPlay.

Have you tried Miracast?
 
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AppleRobert

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I was checking out some 1440p YouTube videos yesterday at BB on the Surface Book and then on the new MBP on display.

SB won, freaking gorgeous picture quality.
 
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epicrayban

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I may actually look to the Chromebook as my next laptop.

I'm telling ya, it's happening. Slowly but surely, the switch is happening. It used be all Apple in my home, and it still mostly is, but the switch to a non-Apple smartphone started years ago. The switch to a non-Apple tablet and laptop is right around the corner (really hoping for a Pixel 7" tablet from Google or the next great Chromebook).

And then soon after, will desktops go the way of a non-Apple product? Possibly. I know I won't be able to purchase another Thunderbolt display, for example.

It's happening. And it's mostly Apple's fault.
 
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