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I don't get why millions of people can't understand CPU logic...
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Yeah, okay . . . then those people should buy a computer which suits their needs and wants?
Do you get it now? Should we try harder to explain it to you? It's difficult to make it much simpler.I wonder what it's like to go shopping for a car with some of you. It would have to have 600hp and do 0-60 in under 6 seconds, even if you sit in traffic all day with it. Spec nerds are the absolute worst.
Seriously? I was being sarcastic.
I actually had thoughts about writing a book after many years of trials, hair pulling experiences and countless of problems in the Windows world before I found a way and some basic principles to tame the OS, our personal confuser. I had many journeys back in the Windows world were it lead me to the deepest darkest realms of the intricacy of the NT architecture, plastering holes and legacy walls which could crumble at any moment at every build. Eventually I saw the dll hells and the corrupt nature of deep beneath the OS hidden from users, masked by Aero skins and at times error gremlins come out to haunt you spitting out garbage words that an untrained user might not understand. I realize there was no way to fix this. It is the user that must be trained to see this. 95% of the Windows population is at stake. While tech gurus may fight the problem, it still does not fix the fact that users still do not know anything. After years and years of perfecting my immunity while engaging myself in the unforseen forces of background processes, I devised some key principles that allowed me to soar the vast Vistas of the windows world. This is the start of my Zen way of Computing. There was no chaos, no crashes, no viruses, all barebones and I do not have to rely on a third-hand such as Norton. One asked "How come your 700mhz AMD Duron feels much faster than my 1.33ghz Pentium III?" I said that there are rules and rules you must follow. "Why do you click it even if it looks like you can click it?" "When it comes to dialog boxes, first look outside the box, look around, read between the lines, then read the lines. There are ninja dialog boxes out there". I have told these people these words and many more, and they were enlightened and finally understood why they bought a computer in the first place.
Vista was the last place I visted before I hopped into the world of linux to deepen my understanding. After that, I moved to the Mac World and all of my principles were put in practice, everything I knew from Linux and the Zen practices of the Windows world is already there. But thats another whole chapter.
EDIT: Maybe I should write a book.
Next spring. It's called The Zen of Computing.
Chapter 2 will be called "wasted sand"
I totally agree that everyone isn't buy a computer for this. But learn the demographic of the product. People who complain that this isn't going crunch your 10gig 1080p move in 2 minutes obviously is looking at the wrong place.
People and that includes people in these boards, like to complain first and ask questions later. Other people get mad that some people are spending their money on what they think is crap. If that was the case, I would never get home because I would correcting everyone for buying useless stuff.
There is clearly a demographic, a usage model and purpose on why apple has made this computer. They obviously don't want this computer to take away from their other lines. It's not like the macbook pro, mac pro and imac line up disappeared because of this computer. It's only an addition.
Geez, sony was bringing out useless lightweight crap for years; charging 2500+ and apple brings out something where they try to compensate for the slow cpu with SSD and every one goes nuts. Let people buy whatever they want. I mean its a win for them and if you don't buy it, its certainly a win for you.
I will say, with all the bloatware on Windows based computing. For an average consumer, having an underpowered windows system is not the way to go. For a mac, its looking the OS is alot better. At the end of the time, I want to click something and it pops up instantly. To many people, thats the real speed.
It just may not be yours. Consumers always had and always will have the power.
In other words : If you don't like the Air, don't piss in everyone else's cereal. We don't really care what you think the Air can't do, we know what it can do.
My Air finally came in.
My Air finally came in.
In other words : If you don't like the Air, don't piss in everyone else's cereal. We don't really care what you think the Air can't do, we know what it can do.
My Air finally came in.
Grats
Exactly the configuration I ordered too ;D
The M11x is Arrandale at that price.*Sigh*. Are you ignoring all the models I've posted on purpose to elicit a response or are you seriously just arguing that "no one" uses those CPUs... except for the major industry players ?
Lets list out your "Netbooks" not over 800$ shall we ?
Dell Adamo, 999$ - 1.4 GHZ C2D
Alienware m11x, 999$ - 1.3 GHZ C2D
Sony Vaio X, 1299$ - Atom!
Lenovo IdeaPad U150, 749$ on special, MSRP 949$ - 1.3 GHZ C2D
Of course, all these except for the Alienware use the sub par intel graphics. Now what about the future generation ? The "current" technology of Core i3, i5, i7 ULV laptops ? 1.33 ghz parts, over 800$ price tags! Sony Vaio Y series, Alienware m11x "new model", Lenovo IdeaPad U160, etc.. etc..
These aren't the Netbooks you're talking about. Netbooks use mostly Intel Atom or Athlon Neo processors. These are "ultra-portables" as the vendors call them. The MBA is one of many such products.
You're seriously being dense here. Look, you got it wrong. That's fine. You just stop your credibility's erosion while you can though and just admit it. There is an existing industry segment for these processors, they are currently selling from many vendors. Apple didn't do anything special here except participate in this industry segment.
If you're not a buyer for this segment, why are you even bothering looking at the Air ? It's not for you, go look at the rest of the line-up or at another vendor's offering that is more apt for you.
However, the Core i series is much more efficient than the Core 2 Duo in terms of instructions per clock. It has faster memory access, hyperthreading (so the 2 cores look like 4 to the OS), and turbo boost, which helps speed up older applications that can't take advantage of multiple cores.
All in all, if not for Intel's stupid insistence that everyone use its integrated graphics solution, Apple would use the Core i series in all its notebooks.
But its not as heat efficient as C2D. Its best that Apple wait for the next shrink in Core i series for their next MBA.
You would be waiting for Ivy Bridge then. We're still under a more consolidated 32 nm with Sandy Bridge.
Oh, Canada.
Of course, the CAD's worth almost as much as the USD and probably will be worth more soon if this "recovery" doesn't speed up soon.
Next spring. It's called The Zen of Computing.
Bad news, I think the name is already taken.. heheh!
Seriously? I was being sarcastic.
I actually had thoughts about writing a book after many years of trials, hair pulling experiences and countless of problems in the Windows world before I found a way and some basic principles to tame the OS, our personal confuser. I had many journeys back in the Windows world were it lead me to the deepest darkest realms of the intricacy of the NT architecture, plastering holes and legacy walls which could crumble at any moment at every build. Eventually I saw the dll hells and the corrupt nature of deep beneath the OS hidden from users, masked by Aero skins and at times error gremlins come out to haunt you spitting out garbage words that an untrained user might not understand. I realize there was no way to fix this. It is the user that must be trained to see this. 95% of the Windows population is at stake. While tech gurus may fight the problem, it still does not fix the fact that users still do not know anything. After years and years of perfecting my immunity while engaging myself in the unforseen forces of background processes, I devised some key principles that allowed me to soar the vast Vistas of the windows world. This is the start of my Zen way of Computing. There was no chaos, no crashes, no viruses, all barebones and I do not have to rely on a third-hand such as Norton. One asked "How come your 700mhz AMD Duron feels much faster than my 1.33ghz Pentium III?" I said that there are rules and rules you must follow. "Why do you click it even if it looks like you can click it?" "When it comes to dialog boxes, first look outside the box, look around, read between the lines, then read the lines. There are ninja dialog boxes out there". I have told these people these words and many more, and they were enlightened and finally understood why they bought a computer in the first place.
Vista was the last place I visted before I hopped into the world of linux to deepen my understanding. After that, I moved to the Mac World and all of my principles were put in practice, everything I knew from Linux and the Zen practices of the Windows world is already there. But thats another whole chapter.
EDIT: Maybe I should write a book.
That's great news, but please, please, PLEASE, make sure you keep the paragraphs short and include many pictures.
I may write a book about all the dumb and repetitive comments people make in forums, always asking the same questions others have asked already the day before.
Egad, no no no no no!
Especially the part about the cache. If you look at cache miss rates versus size the returns diminish very very quickly. Yes, larger cache is always better, but you quickly come to a point where increasing any other spec of the system will yield greater returns.
I refer you to these benchmarks done a few years ago. The CPU with the 2MB and 4MB cache are for the most part identical except for the cache size.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cache-size-matter,1709-5.html
Yeah, okay . . . then those people should buy a computer which suits their needs and wants?
I wonder what it's like to go shopping for a car with some of you. It would have to have 600hp and do 0-60 in under 6 seconds, even if you sit in traffic all day with it. Spec nerds are the absolute worst.
Yeah okay.. so I'm just supporting the fact that the 1.4ghz may not support one's specific needs. There is a reason why I quoted this:
Are quotes too hard for you to understand?
"Do you get it now? Should we try harder to explain it to you? It's difficult to make it much simpler." - carouser
First and formost, thank you for your non-rebellious reply.
I agree that it's not for everyone (whether you are looking at specs or screen size ... or what have you).
Yep, it's not all about specs either.
To be honest, I'm one of those people who uses their laptop for Facebook status updating and iTunes ... but I would take a Macbook pro over the Air anyday. (That's just me and I have found a lot of reasons as to why I prefer one over the other). I've only use 23GB of space on my Mac mainly coming from email and programs and I know the MBA would support my needs ... so I'm not against the MBA (or it's specs) at all, if that is what anyone is thinking.
Nobody has mentioned this, but I have an idea that the version of the Core 2 Duo processor in the MacBook Air is actually a miniaturized version, smaller than the ones we see in the iMacs or MacBook Pros, I think they shrunk the processor, had very little room for a heatsink, and had to keep the clock speeds lowered for size and heat reasons.
Why blame the consumers who obviously had a lot of marketing unto them?
It is very unlikely that most consumers would research hours and hours of what each part in a PC would do, and understand what years of experience would know.
When I did my first build, of course I put in almost-near best my budget can allow. It feels good building a best-hardware machine, but all I used it for was games.
So really, IMO, consumers are using only the terms "fast", "faster", and "fastest" to buy their computers, and most of it used on the CPU. Why? Because of Intel's marketing and those damn (some of them) vultures of the Best Buy computer sales team that are saying, these are "fast", but those are "faster", and that is the "fastest". It can be compared to a family bragging about their bigger HDTV to their neighbors when they visit. Really, at some point in our lives, we all thought faster is better.
I deviated from the "fast" thinking and more to the "what I need" thinking. A laptop in two years would be "obsolete", so why not pay for design so that in two years, it's still one of the sexiest machines and could look like a fast laptop? Don't ridicule people who assume "fastest" is better, talk to them and gently guide them that it isn't necessarily true.
I talked to one of the guys on the floor and persuaded him in 10 minutes why Apple laptops, IMO, are one of the best if not the best. That isn't to say their desktops are though.
It is very unlikely that most consumers would research hours and hours of what each part in a PC would do, and understand what years of experience would know.
When I did my first build, of course I put in almost-near best my budget can allow. It feels good building a best-hardware machine, but all I used it for was games.
So really, IMO, consumers are using only the terms "fast", "faster", and "fastest" to buy their computers, and most of it used on the CPU. Why? Because of Intel's marketing and those damn (some of them) vultures of the Best Buy computer sales team that are saying, these are "fast", but those are "faster", and that is the "fastest". It can be compared to a family bragging about their bigger HDTV to their neighbors when they visit. Really, at some point in our lives, we all thought faster is better.
I deviated from the "fast" thinking and more to the "what I need" thinking. A laptop in two years would be "obsolete", so why not pay for design so that in two years, it's still one of the sexiest machines and could look like a fast laptop? Don't ridicule people who assume "fastest" is better, talk to them and gently guide them that it isn't necessarily true.
I talked to one of the guys on the floor and persuaded him in 10 minutes why Apple laptops, IMO, are one of the best if not the best. That isn't to say their desktops are though
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Yup. The die size is the same (107mm^2) but the package size is ~60% smaller [484mm^2 (22mm x 22mm) vs 1225mm^2 (35mm x 35mm)]
