get use to it...in fact i predict all future os will be iOS like and reside at the cloud and are devices will simply be dumb terminals...
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I don't wan't OSX to be like iOS.
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apple wants to have one single os across all devices. if you feel that is bad for you, go back to microsoft
Hey, but also microsoft does this
look at the win8, win7phone, xbox Hear, hear .
It might benefit the discussion, if more people remembered this .
Personally, I also find iOS quite immature, and barely able to run a phone .
Trouble is, as I said before, many comments suggest the posters do not have any need for a proper computer, and the OS required to run it .
If it were up to those users, the MBA would be the last Mac standing - if that .
Fair enough, whatever the masses desire most will succeed - I'd be devestated if I had to switch to Windows, though .
Why do I get the feeling that "proper computer" and all the rest of this post is just another instance of trying to complain about Mission Control and a lack of "Save As..." by making it seem to be part of a larger problem?
I'd be happy to be corrected if I'm wrong!
Why do I get the feeling that "proper computer" and all the rest of this post is just another instance of trying to complain about Mission Control and a lack of "Save As..." by making it seem to be part of a larger problem?
Try to make an iOS app on iOS...
I have no idea what that has to do with my post. I'm pretty sure we are talking about iOS features moving to OS X.
Good features should come to OSX, I don't care if where they come from.
Imho, Launchpad + Dock is better than the old Dock+Applications folder in Dock solution. Launchpad is just not finished... it should be more intuitive to organize and add/remove applications.
The spaces replacement is ok. Once you add gestures to the game it gets awesome.
Once they copy a feature from iOS, they should think how to make it even better, using PC features. Adding a search function to Launchpad in ML is such an improvement.
Imho, Launchpad + Dock is better than the old Dock+Applications folder in Dock solution. Launchpad is just not finished... it should be more intuitive to organize and add/remove applications.
The spaces replacement is ok. Once you add gestures to the game it gets awesome.
Once they copy a feature from iOS, they should think how to make it even better, using PC features. Adding a search function to Launchpad in ML is such an improvement.
Your post insinuated that people referring that a "proper computer" being different from a phone or tablet was just more "complaints", when it is in fact very true. The iphone and ipad are media consumption devices, and desktop computers are more like media creation devices, among so many other things. They are general computing devices, where the iphone and ipad are more specific computing devices.
Without the desktop, the iphone and ipad probably wouldn't really be all that successful because there wouldn't be any apps for them.
I didn't insinuate that at all. If you read the whole post, I assumed the complaints to be in reference to Mission Control and a lack of "Save As..", neither of which has to do with iOS. Or you could just look at the topic of the thread. My post, and the one I was responding to, were about changes in OS X.
okay, sorry I didn't understand what you were "trying" to say. Reading your post again it still sounds like your comparing the suggestion that "proper computer" to just another complain. "another instance" and "in reference to" are not the same thing.
After your explanation, I think I understand what your trying to say. But a lot of the way mission control works does exist because of iOS. So you can swipe left and right between apps, just like you do on the iPad.
Its just silly. Studies have shown that gesture based controls are a step backwards in usability. Even Tim Cook had issues demoing Lion... but hey they are cool and might sell some more ipads so here they are.
Mission Control came before swiping between apps on the iPad.
Studies have shown a lot of things.
Tim Cook didn't demo Lion. But the guy that did had problems that were more related to nervousness and using a magic mouse. A trackpad is a much better input device if you are going to use gestures.
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Spaces + gestures in Lion is a big improvement for my workflow since I use spaces A LOT. I like it now more than the way spaces were in SL
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Spaces + gestures in Lion is a big improvement for my workflow since I use spaces A LOT. I like it now more than the way spaces were in SL
Thats your opinion, one that many people, myself included, disagree with whole heartedly.
The majority of software for desktop computers was designed for mouse and keyboard input. Most desktop computers do not have trackpads. For the most part your only option is to buy yet another apple device to use them. Trackpads are not no where near as precise as a mouse pointer and do not work well for a number of tasks.
Sure, but the most computers that run OS X are laptops, which do include a trackpad.
Mission Control came before swiping between apps on the iPad.
Studies have shown a lot of things.
Tim Cook didn't demo Lion. But the guy that did had problems that were more related to nervousness and using a magic mouse. A trackpad is a much better input device if you are going to use gestures.
Show me a study saying they are an improvement? If your going to discount fact there is not point in having a discussion about it.
I thought I remembered Tim Cook demoing Lion... if he didn't my mistake. But the guy clearly had problems with GESTURES, which may have made him more nervous... but the problem was clearly gestures.
What fact? Did you present any studies? Preferably, specifically related to the types of gestures used in OS X. Anecdotally, I can't really see the argument that a swipe in Safari is less efficient than moving my mouse cursor to the back button and clicking it.
It was Craig Federighi. The problem was obviously the non responsiveness of the Magic Mouse to his gestures. Most likely as a result of his nervousness and the small gesture area.
The argument "just don't use it" is not valid from my point of view. Some features are gone, have changed or had to be re-customised. E.g. iCal, Adressbook and iWork. Mail did improve though.
One thought on the idea of OSX 10.x "Lockdown". iWork will be able to store files within the app just like on iPad. These files will be synced to iCloud. Files in Finder rather not. So if you want to sync your documents with iPad/iPod/iPhone, you will have to store your files the iPad-style (inside the apps). No alternative afaik.
Using an alternative sync service like Wuala would sync every desired folder from my mac, but I can't access or move files on the iPad to sync them back.
"Most advanced" would be to have a solid file sync across all devices in a useful way. Note-sync and a Sykpe knockoff is nothing new. Selling old stuff as new.
One thought on the idea of OSX 10.x "Lockdown". iWork will be able to store files within the app just like on iPad. These files will be synced to iCloud. Files in Finder rather not. So if you want to sync your documents with iPad/iPod/iPhone, you will have to store your files the iPad-style (inside the apps). No alternative afaik.
Using an alternative sync service like Wuala would sync every desired folder from my mac, but I can't access or move files on the iPad to sync them back.
"Most advanced" would be to have a solid file sync across all devices in a useful way. Note-sync and a Sykpe knockoff is nothing new. Selling old stuff as new.
You're exactly right. The people who are happy with just an iPad or maybe just a MBA probably don't need a full-featured computer anyway. Much of the "post PC world" crap is just Apple marketing BS repeated by goose-stepping Apple fans trying really hard to enter the new paradigm.
In reality not many of the people I know really needed a tower PC running a powerful OS like Windows. Those that did are still using towers although for some of us those towers are Mac Pros. Others who almost need full-featured computers but in a more limited way are using iMacs or Minis.
Only one acquaintance is using only an iPhone and an iPad and she never really even needed a laptop. It's those who need powerful, full-featured computers who have the most reservations about the direction that Apple is taking OS X in.
As long as we have the option to customize and install apps outside the app store I dont really care what they do. Most of the new features that are borrowed from iOS are optional, you dont really have to use them... Some are pretty cool to have on a computer.... They day they lock their laptops down and force you to buy everything from the app store then I'll have an issue but until then I am content with the merging and uniformity of OS's
Exactly.
I use gestures all the time, i like them so much i went and bought a magic trackpad (purely for gestures when using my wired keyboard) for when my MBP is on the desk....
It's been too late since 2007, when iOS was known as iPhone OS and it was shipped out in all of its glory as version 1.0. It was already quited joined at the hip with OS X back then.
