Oh come on....that's how EVERY company works. They provide a service or product, done their way, and it is up to the consumer to choose if they want to use it.
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I don't wan't OSX to be like iOS.
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Oh come on....that's how EVERY company works. They provide a service or product, done their way, and it is up to the consumer to choose if they want to use it.
I don't have a trackpad, I have a Magic mouse so I still have al the benefits of the mouse plus gestures
Why do I get the feeling that "proper computer" and all the rest of this post is just another instance of trying to complain about Mission Control and a lack of "Save As..." by making it seem to be part of a larger problem?I'd be happy to be corrected if I'm wrong!
Um, no, that wasn't what it's been about .
But lack of 'save as' aka Autosave and Versions , to name just one thing, can seriously compromize a workflow, or completely ruin it .
I'm fairly sure anyone who edits images, video, audio etc. knows what I'm talking about.
Editing with Versions enabled by the program and automated saving would be a nightmare , like having Time Machine as the only 'backup' option .
It might not even be related to iOS, but is in the same spirit - an OS controlled user 'experience' , as opposed to a user controlled environment .
No OS really is the latter , but at a certain point it gets too restricting, offers too few options and control to be productive .
This more than anything tells me you don't understand Autosave and Versions at all.
It has all the same features as Save As/Save, plus the added bonus of not overwriting your whole work when you hit Save.
On the contrary, you're one of those people who thinks they know what they're talking about, and who thinks that wasting his/her time to do manual version management in a less effective manner than the computer (which will do it automatically for you) is a valid use of their time.
Manual version management only helps you out when you have the foresight to think "right, i'm about to maybe screw up my work, i better save a copy of it". It does nothing to help you with power cuts, operating system crashes, application crashes, or just plain "oops I shouldn't have done that" 5 hours after your last save.
One day (possibly after losing significant amounts of work, and/or getting tired with doing your own version management) you'll get it.
What you don't get is that the option is still there.
One that says "Save As" so my neanderthal brain doesn't have to think.
You do realize that "Duplicate" = "Save As" right? Seriously what is so hard to understand about that?
Duplicate->Save. You'll get the familiar "Save File Dialog".
All that, and you won't lose the benefits brought by Versions.
The keybindings/menu options changed. The functionality is still there.
Duplicate->Save. You'll get the familiar "Save File Dialog".
All that, and you won't lose the benefits brought by Versions.
The keybindings/menu options changed. The functionality is still there.
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This. I don't understand all the hooplah over this. It's the same thing it just feels weird trying to replace the new word "duplicate" in place of "save as". Rewiring the brain usually isn't fun.
It really seems like Apple is plowing similar ground that Microsoft covered in Office 2007. When they took away the "file" menu and replaced it with some awful giant windows icon thing then realized their mistake and brought FILE back in Office 2010 and at the same time made it much easier to hide that hideous ribbon. While the rest of the world was killing status bars, menu bars and title bars, the Clueless Ones up in Redmond were trying to figure out ways to waste more screen real estate on such tripe.
It's too early to tell if this whole save-as thing will work or not. I know I got Lion pretty early on and it still bothers me when I use one of the Apple apps and save-as is not right up in my face where it belongs and I have to think a few seconds longer. Those few seconds were my seconds and I could have been using them to do something useful or just relax. The main reason I buy Apple gear is to save time. To me Apple is selling time. When they start taking it back little by little, after a while the value proposition starts to fall apart. This save as thing isn't a huge deal in itself, but it's not a good sign for a company that prides itself on writing software that stays out of the user's way.
I also hate the lack of a keyboard shortcut for the duplicate function. That's probably what bothers me the most.
What causes me some concerns is the introduction of Gatekeeper.
Right now, it's just a setting that the user can disable. But what worries me is if Gatekeeper is outright enforced and you *can not* install software outside of the Mac App Store. I do want to *ever* want to have to 'jailbreak' my own Mac in order to install software that I want.
I switched from Windows XP to Mac because I was just blatantly sick of the problems associated with Windows. But if Gatekeeper is outright enforced and I need to jailbreak my own system, I'm blowing away the OSX installation on this thing and installing Windows 7. That would be my 'jailbreak'.
Right now, it's just a setting that the user can disable. But what worries me is if Gatekeeper is outright enforced and you *can not* install software outside of the Mac App Store. I do want to *ever* want to have to 'jailbreak' my own Mac in order to install software that I want.
I switched from Windows XP to Mac because I was just blatantly sick of the problems associated with Windows. But if Gatekeeper is outright enforced and I need to jailbreak my own system, I'm blowing away the OSX installation on this thing and installing Windows 7. That would be my 'jailbreak'.
To be honest, I really like OSX Lion, especially how Apple really made good use of the gestures. But the one thing that's kinda turning me off from Mountain Lion is Gatekeeper. I jailbroke my iPhone to get non-Apple authorized apps, and I don't want to "jailbreak" my Macbook just to run third party programs that Apple hasn't approved.
You can run any app you want. They haven't taken that ability away from you. It's just an extra security feature for users that don't know any better. You can set it to not block anything if you so choose. I highly doubt that will change.
apple wants to have one single os across all devices. if you feel that is bad for you, go back to microsoft
Actually, if you've seen what Windows 8 looks like, it looks like a big fancy phone. The main screen is like a Nokia and the lockscreen is like any modern smartphone. It looks like a smartphone and my guess is it will be as easy to navigate as one too. I've just had a horrible realisation. You know how your parents/grandparents grew up using DOS and can't use Win 97/XP to save themselves? We are all going to be like that when phones become small computers and computers turn into big PDA's...
BULLCRAP. Sorry Gizmodo (A Gawker publication - IE not known for journalistic integrity. This is the same Gizmodo who paid for stolen goods) set that to do it. The default is to allow signed apps (you can do that with a free ADC account and Apple won't vet a single app). I would much rather trust Gruber who actually gets the facts.
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And you won't have to. You can turn gatekeeper off.
in ML, at least in Texedit, you do Duplicate using the same keyboard shortcut as the good old Save AsIMO, Gatekeeper will be a great thing for security. If it's enabled, Malware chances are slim to none. If in the rare instance I want to install some 3rd party app, I'll enable it temporarily. It's not like I'm installing 3rd party apps all that often.
Ah good old OS X 101 schooling required I see. You're right. Duplicate has no shortcut in the default state in most apps :
Let's see though what we can do about that using no terminal trickery and bundle hackery. Let's pretend for a moment that we're all some good old ID10Ts when it comes to computers.
So where do we set parameters ? System Preferences. What are we looking for ? Keyboard, and shortcuts. It so happens there's a preference pane for that :
Looking at the menu, there's an All Application entry. Great, we want a common feature accross applications, so it must be in there. Let's try the + button :
Surely it can't be that simple, trying add, it does actually add it :
No way did we fix this little nitpick of yours this easily... checking back textedit without ever having closed/reopened textedit what do we see :
Magical!
A lot of the complaints levied at new features that replace older, less useful features mostly stem from ignorance of how the system works, the new features work or the limitations that have suddenly been fixed in the old ways. It's the same with "All Windows Expose" and "Mission Control", a lot of it is "But now I need to click 3 times instead of 1!" ignoring the fact that those 3 clicks now get you where you want to go faster than that old 1 click.
People complaining about the change seem to focus on the few seconds lost in the minor differences between "Save As..." and "Duplicate". But what about all the seconds saved with Versions and Auto Save? No more confirming a save whenever you close a document or quit an app. That alone probably saves more time that the occasional "Save As...". And then the first time you actually use Versions to recover from a mistake or outage is just a bonus.
As pointed out earlier, you can assign you own keyboard shortcut. And I'm pretty sure I read that ML will map the old "Save As..." shortcut to "Duplicate".
Also, files that are not time locked always open hot. If I open a photo I took a few days ago, thus unlocked, and check to see how it looks sideways, Preview will do its damndest to change the files modifed date. That can be inconvenient and disruptive of proper file order. It's a pita to always have to create duplicates and explicitly not save them when all I want to do is see what some minor modifications to an image might look like.
Unlocked files under versions are also overly sensitive to the effects of, for example, a cat on the keyboard. Sure I can probably get the right version back, but if versions hadn't been made mandatory in the first place there wouldn't be a problem in the first place, just a cat-wrecked image in memory.
The issues with Duplicate vs Save As (which are not the same thing) could largely be side stepped by simply giving the user the option of one or the other.
Then at least, we'd have the choice of whether we want to use "At Ease 2.0" features or whether we can look after our own file management on our own computers, thanks.
Saying that the developer has the choice whether or not to implement versions is again, not the same thing, because the option is still not in the hands of the user, who also happens to be the customer here.
Then at least, we'd have the choice of whether we want to use "At Ease 2.0" features or whether we can look after our own file management on our own computers, thanks.
Saying that the developer has the choice whether or not to implement versions is again, not the same thing, because the option is still not in the hands of the user, who also happens to be the customer here.