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i hope intel comes back to beat the m1
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And Apple does not do the same thing that Intel does? If you think that then you are not aware of what is going on.
It seems like most people here are not aware that ARM SoCs are available from a number of suppliers. You don't need Apple to provide ARM SoCs.
All big companies do to a degree. But things Intel pulled back in the day were highly illegal and dangerous.
Agreed. Apple is also skating on thin ice in some areas.
But what does it buy them if the split off a different line of CPU's? Nothing as far as I can see. Bragging rights aren't a thing in my line of work.
We're already to the point where PC's are fast enough for most tasks, extra performance doesn't buy you anything. (gaming is a different matter and I'm not so sure we're getting close to a place where more performance does anything. What gamers need are better displays and inputs.) I know for all the jobs in our manufacturing plant, a well built i7 laptop, or a well built i5 desktop, is more than fast enough for the job of user PC's. And fwiw, no backwards compatibility is why i can't even consider buying a user anything but an i86/64 PC running Windows.
I follow Apple’s news quite closely, and I can’t seem to find any practices that borders on running foul of the law. Maybe I’m following more on the tech side of things. Do you have any examples of Apple skating on thin ice?
You might want to define what beating means in that context... I took it to mean market, but you apparently mean performance. btw, the M1 doesn't beat the higher end intel chips performance-wise.
Story today about Apple not making an iMessage client for android phones -- because it would hurt Apple. That's pretty close to taking a monopoly power too far.
Apple confirms iMessage locks users into iOS, and putting it on Android would hurt Apple
Apple executive states that iMessage is the reason people don't give their kids Android phones.
www.zdnet.com
I agree on the performance part, at least for me anyway.But what does it buy them if the split off a different line of CPU's? Nothing as far as I can see. Bragging rights aren't a thing in my line of work.
We're already to the point where PC's are fast enough for most tasks, extra performance doesn't buy you anything. (gaming is a different matter and I'm not so sure we're getting close to a place where more performance does anything. What gamers need are better displays and inputs.) I know for all the jobs in our manufacturing plant, a well built i7 laptop, or a well built i5 desktop, is more than fast enough for the job of user PC's. And fwiw, no backwards compatibility is why i can't even consider buying a user anything but an i86/64 PC running Windows.
Tech. tho changes fast. 10 years ago, FHD videos are the considered very good. Now, 4K is the next target and 8K probably soon. With AR/VR, it’ll probably need more computing power. The problem with Intel’s offering is that they needs to much power to compete. If they want to be leading in the future, they need to change, and fast.
And if you count CPU's sold, ARM based ones probably outsell Intel chips -- there's more than PC's that need computer chips.
Those are all entertainment based things, drudge work isn't as exciting, nor as fast moving.
Nobody is going to do that with a CPUs, there will be GPU's where most of that kind of processing gets done.
I'm not so sure power is that much of an issue. I know it isn't for me.
One thing though that is missing from M1 that I think is something nice to have is boot camp. Really hope that it comes to M1 soon!
apple doesn’t make you pee in a cup to get a job. apple doesn’t have a ceo who walks around the parking lot taking down license plates of cars that arrive late. apple doesn’t introduce you to the guy who was responsible for the FDIV bug when you go there for a job interview, and then once he passes out of hearing range start bad mouthing him to you. Apple doesn’t have coworkers yelling at each other in the hallway in front of the conference room where the job interview is occurring.
so, yeah, intel is full of jackasses and is a terrible place to work.
1) Early on, Intel was too focused on raw speed, at the expense of power management. This meant that they were never a viable contender to provide CPUs for the iPhone, or subsequent android smartphones as well. Because of this, Intel was effectively shut out of the growing smartphone market, at a time when PC sales were starting to stagnate. They basically locked themselves out of the next big thing.
2) Because of their early financial success in providing cheap x86 processors for servers and data centres, Intel never felt the need to innovate and move beyond x86 instruction. It's classic disruption theory - a company doubles down on that which made it successful in the first place, at the expense of missing the next big thing.
Intel now faces threats on multiple fronts.
1) They have already lost Apple's business.
2) AMD is proving superior to Intel, performance-wise.
3) Cloud providers like Amazon are starting to design and manufacture their own ARM chips, threatening their dominance in this aforementioned area.
4) People are holding on to PCs for longer, which means stagnating or even declining computer sales, which means fewer processors sold. Which is a double whammy because processor design is an extremely capital-intensive process, which is typically offset by huge volume sales. This means that Intel has even less incentive to work on improving their processor designs, if they didn't think the market was there for one.
5) TSMC is eventually opening a fab in the US. And guess what (1) and (3) have in common? They all rely on TSMC to manufacture their ARM chip designs.
The TL;DR is that what started out as Intel's greatest strength, that they integrate both design and manufacturing, is now becoming Intel's biggest weakness, because nobody cares about Intel's chip designs, since companies are now increasingly moving towards designing their own processors that are optimised for very specific tasks (which Intel will never be able to do for any one specific company). And to add insult to injury, they are contracting TSMC to mass-produce these chips for them.
This is basically what Intel has sown.
i switch cpus all the time im not loyal to any company as a kid i was a sony fan boy back in the day there tvs and walkmans ruled
Sort of ... you can get insider previews of WoA but, so far, for production its OEM only. I think he’s referring to being able to buy your own copy and install it on your own built machine or VM (or say M1 partition ? - yes I know about what would need to have happen first).
That sounds horrible. Although sadly I’ve seen people say that Apple can be a very stressful place to work - mainly the yearly cadence of the updates for both chips and OS and not having enough people to keep up with it. Though this kind of burnout sadly seems to be the norm in hardware and software.
People keep saying it’s better than it used to be ... but yikes. Of course my own field also has a lot of that ...Unlikely to ever be their business model.
However Qualcomm just bought Nuvia filled with ex-Apple chip designers and are set to release a laptop chip late next year designed by them (current and near future releases are standard ARM cores). While I would imagine they’ll be selling to OEMs, that’s probably your best for the future of building your own performance ARM system. I don’t know if Qualcomm has any interest in doing so but they might if they want to take on AMD and Intel in all sectors.
Intel has promised “undisputed performance leadership” by 2025, we’ll see whether they have a plan or whether those are empty words. Alder Lake this year is going to be an important test for them.
What would be the point? The chip likely has internal limiters, you won’t be able to overlock it much.
What would be the point? The chip likely has internal limiters, you won’t be able to overlock it much.