I love apple, iPhone 4, Steve jobs I am now a fanboy.

[IbisDoc]

Summary of the Jobs Friday statement:

We've made many great products over the years, many that have revolutionized their categories. Also, we are an American company. Therefore, we have built a significant amount of capital and good will over the years. We know we screwed up with this one, but we expect our past accomplishments to allow us to take a mulligan on the iPhone 4. I hope by telling you that I love you, it will cause even more grown men to become enamored with me, and proceed to defend my error on any venue they can find. By the way, here's a bumper - we only made them because we knew we screwed up.

 

[yentrog31]

Steve jobs explained that as of right now you cant get around the antenna issue. Its a reality with all phones that have a antenna. The problem is that their is a lot of crying but no one is returning the phone or calling for help. So how would there be a problem when people only complain on forums or on the news. Which gives evidence that people that don't own one are the ones crying or it is not an issue.

huh?....there are some very well respected you-tubers w/ thousands of viewers who have issues and have documented them.With hands-on video.
So you dont think these people and the ones that listen to them have NO issue?
I have a great 3GS but I'm doing my due diligence before I upgrade.

 

[samcraig]

Nicely put, I still think it is more black and white than you are trying to say otherwise. I am not one of the people saying that the phone doesn't work. If your wife opened the shoe box and one shoe was missing the heel or had different color stitching then it would be an issue that she could not live with. People are making it sound like when they pick up the phone and dial nothing happens.

well that's a bit different and I think people are trying to SAY people are saying that. I don't think anyone has said or is saying that the iphone can't make a call period.

But people are genuinely experiencing an issue.

And like it or not - Jobs set himself and Apple up when he wrote (to me actually) "Non Issue - Just try holding it differently"

While "true" in a general sense (re: holding it differently). I wouldn't cal this on the iPhone or ANY OTHER PHONE a "non issue."

 

[falconeight]

Summary of the Jobs Friday statement:

We've made many great products over the years, many that have revolutionized their categories. Also, we are an American company. Therefore, we have built a significant amount of capital and good will over the years. We know we screwed up with this one, but we expect our past accomplishments to allow us to take a mulligan on the iPhone 4. I hope by telling you that I love you, it will cause even more grown men to become enamored with me, and proceed to defend my error on any venue they can find. By the way, here's a bumper - we only made them because we knew we screwed up.

And that is why he should not give anyone anything or recall the phone. Hell he should even charge a restocking fee. People are to biased and love making up fictional stories.

well that's a bit different and I think people are trying to SAY people are saying that. I don't think anyone has said or is saying that the iphone can't make a call period.

But people are genuinely experiencing an issue.

And like it or not - Jobs set himself and Apple up when he wrote (to me actually) "Non Issue - Just try holding it differently"

While "true" in a general sense (re: holding it differently). I wouldn't cal this on the iPhone or ANY OTHER PHONE a "non issue."

And thats true but if you know where the weak spot of a phone, then don't touch that part especially if it is only 1cm thick. The hoopla about this antenna started a hour after it was released if you don't think that it was a planned complaint then you don't realize that apple is now the leader in technology production and sales. Their are so many million dollar corporations that will benefit from apple losing market share. Apple is now being sold and loved in Europe and Japan.

 

[Sledutah]

Summary of the Jobs Friday statement:

We've made many great products over the years, many that have revolutionized their categories. Also, we are an American company. Therefore, we have built a significant amount of capital and good will over the years. We know we screwed up with this one, but we expect our past accomplishments to allow us to take a mulligan on the iPhone 4. I hope by telling you that I love you, it will cause even more grown men to become enamored with me, and proceed to defend my error on any venue they can find. By the way, here's a bumper - we only made them because we knew we screwed up.

lol
BTW, I agree. He basically said FU to all of their customers.

 

[samcraig]

And thats true but if you know where the weak spot of a phone, then don't touch that part especially if it is only 1cm thick. The hoopla about this antenna started a hour after it was released if you don't think that it was a planned complaint then you don't realize that apple is now the leader in technology production and sales. Their are so many million dollar corporations that will benefit from apple losing market share. Apple is now being sold and loved in Europe and Japan.

You points are not related. The issue has nothing to do with how great or industry leader Apple is.

And guess what - one of the first and only emails Job wrote about the antenna issue was to me. And that was not an hour after it was released. It was about 48 hours.

You want to have it both ways. You want one "side" to stop speaking in hyperbole but then you're doing it all the same.

And the bottom line is - most if not all of the people speaking up on this forum WANT the iPhone and Apple to succeed. I sincerely think that except for a few in the minority, the people posting on this forum in general are frustrated because they DO like Apple and they do NOT like the way this has been handled.

People are to biased and love making up fictional stories.

Oh the hypocrisy.


I thought there was an issue and now you're saying it's fictional. You have no idea what you're saying from one post to another

 

[Ronnoco]

So if the haters are correct, we should be seeing MILLIONS of iP4's being returned this week...right?
And if we don't, I guess this means that either most people are not having the issue, or that most people that bought the 3,000,000+ iP4's in the first 3 weeks are all Steve Jobs Fanboys that will just keep a phone that doesn't make calls because Steve told them to and they want a free bumper...
LAWL...

 

[samcraig]

lol
BTW, I agree. He basically said FU to all of their customers.

Not to mention his schoolyard justification..


"Well all the other kids are doing it - why am I being punished?"

It's a lot like speeders on the highway. 10 cars are speeding - the cop picks out one person and gives them a ticket. The speeder uses the excuse "but other people were speeding"

Doesn't matter what other people were doing - they were also speeding.

In short - other companies are getting a free pass on this one. Apple got hit with the press. Guess what? Other companies get hit on OTHER issues.

Apple sets themselves up to be the leader in innovation. I can't believe anyone is surprised that they were called on the carpet for this one.

 

[falconeight]

You choose modern design or function. You want an external antenna then go get one. If not then just accept it and change the subject. I think the real fanboys are the complainers that feel the phone is terrible but will not let it out of their hands.

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

I own a 3GS and it's the best phone I have ever used:however.
Why is Apple getting a pass on this from a lot of users?
Go back in time..before the IP4 launch.The way SJ tells it ,he/they knew of antennae degradation,so why did they mark the weak spot?
Apple prides themselves on innovation and being pack-leader so why NOT make a better antennae instead of one that drops/loses bars like the rest of the competition?
My conclusion and it's been rumored and discussed is that they loved the design so much they could withstand the heat of reception problems in a few areas..most would blame it on AT&T.And of course fanboy and fangirl would be so drunken with the kool-aid that the sells would be Apple like.
Oh and btw..I will be getting an IP4 when my upgrade dates comes around!

Head into a weak signal area with your 3GS and give it the death grip in your right hand. You'll soon see your bars disappear as well. Does that mean the 3GS is a defective lemon that should be recalled? Why is it that the 3GS, iP4, Blackberry, Win7 and Android phones all experience the same problem yet only the iP4 is defective and Apple owes everyone something? Oh wait, it's because the iP4 has a worse problem than the others... really? Who says? Where is the data? Apple provided data that everyone is up in arms over, but nobody can provide any alternative data that would refute what Apple presented.

Out of everyone complaining here on MacRumors, how many actually own an iP4 and how many of those people can definitively say that they drop calls because of it? All I read around here is FUD.

 

[samcraig]

So if the haters are correct, we should be seeing MILLIONS of iP4's being returned this week...right?
And if we don't, I guess this means that either most people are not having the issue, or that most people that bought the 3,000,000+ iP4's in the first 3 weeks are all Steve Jobs Fanboys that will just keep a phone that doesn't make calls because Steve told them to and they want a free bumper...
LAWL...

Again - that's so black and white. A decision to keep or not keep the phone isn't that simple. People weight the good and bad

So no - to answer your question. A lot of people who recognize there's an issue and have an issue might just deal with it because the benefits are greater than what they are losing or would lose by going to another phone.

Does that mean the phone magically doesn't have an issue - no. It means that people have different tolerance levels.

Do people REALLY think - do YOU really base your decision so narrowmindedly?

 

[falconeight]

Oh the hypocrisy.


I thought there was an issue and now you're saying it's fictional. You have no idea what you're saying from one post to another

whatever you just run out of things to say so you make personal attacks.

 

[samcraig]

whatever you just run out of things to say so you make personal attacks.

No. Not at all. You just keep contradicting yourself. Is there an issue or not? One second you acknowledge the iPhone (and ALL phones) have this issue then you're saying it's fictional.

So which is it?

 

[falconeight]

No. Not at all. You just keep contradicting yourself. Is there an issue or not? One second you acknowledge the iPhone (and ALL phones) have this issue then you're saying it's fictional.

So which is it?

Which makes it not an issue. It's like saying all water has a problem being wet.

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

lol
BTW, I agree. He basically said FU to all of their customers.

I'm sorry you didn't like your iPhone 4 and chose to return it, but you exercised one of the options made available to you as an iPhone 4 customer. You should be thrilled that you still have a working 3GS that blows most of the other current smartphones out of the water. I think you're smart for saving your money for the iPhone 5 since the 4 doesn't work for you. You should celebrate that you could at least return the phone and not suffer any restocking fees or other penalties.

I am totally happy with my iP4. I suspect a lot of "fanboys" are upset over this issue because they are defined a little too much by their electronic gadgets. These people take it personally when one of their gadgets may be perceived as defective, and then they get mad because their emotional inadequacies and insecurities prevent them from buying a product which, deep down inside, they really really want. I don't think that's an Apple problem.

 

[ntrigue]

You're all imbeciles. It will amuse me when you move to a new home or place of employment and finally understand our frustrations.

Does it bother anyone that Apple faked the bars you see for the last two generations?

 

[Ronnoco]

You're all imbeciles. It will amuse me when you move to a new home or place of employment and finally understand our frustrations.

Does it bother anyone that Apple faked the bars you see for the last two generations?

You mean the analog bars that are useless with a digital phone? It bothers me that they use the phony bars at all...

 

[samcraig]

Which makes it not an issue. It's like saying all water has a problem being wet.

No. Water's property is that it's wet. It's a liquid. Phones are supposed to be able to make calls. That's an inherent property. When a phone has trouble - big or small in doing what it's designed to do - then it is acting against its inherent nature.

Not the same thing. Analogies always suck though - it's not your fault.

 

[Ronnoco]

Again - that's so black and white. A decision to keep or not keep the phone isn't that simple. People weight the good and bad

So no - to answer your question. A lot of people who recognize there's an issue and have an issue might just deal with it because the benefits are greater than what they are losing or would lose by going to another phone.

Does that mean the phone magically doesn't have an issue - no. It means that people have different tolerance levels.

Do people REALLY think - do YOU really base your decision so narrowmindedly?

Yes...It's pretty simple really...if the phone doesn't do what i need it to do, I'd return it...if it DOES what I need it to do, I keep it and stop complaining...

 

[samcraig]

You mean the analog bars that are useless with a digital phone?

well that's pretty irrelevant. What's relevant is that a few years back they changed the formula to show increased signal strength and they just "discovered" they were using the wrong formula. And Steve ducked the issue:

To answer your question, the formula we use the calculate bars has been off since the beginning, and the new update fixes that for the iPhone 4, 3G, and 3GS... I don't know if I understand the other part of your question?

Well you fixed this bug two years ago, and now you say there's always been a problem...
A: They're probably unrelated. I honestly don't remember what the issue was before, but they're probably totally separate.


"probably" and he doesn't remember? Hmmmm ok.

 

[marksman]

I really think if Arn just nuked everyone who registered in June and July of 2010 MacRumors would be better off.

Sure a few good users would be hurt, but on the whole it would be better for everyone.

99% of the time that I see a stupid post these days, it was from someone registered in June or July of 2010.

 

[samcraig]

Yes...It's pretty simple really...if the phone doesn't do what i need it to do, I'd return it...if it DOES what I need it to do, I keep it and stop complaining...

Really? If the phone works 90 percent of the time exactly how it should but 10 percent of the time, no? You'd return in? How about 95 percent of the time?

How about 70 percent of the time.

In other words - at what point does it become a personal issue.

People have different tolerance levels. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can accept why some people don't rush out and return something so quickly just because you want them to.

 

[marksman]

You're all imbeciles. It will amuse me when you move to a new home or place of employment and finally understand our frustrations.

You have that same risk regardless of what phone or cell service you use.

 

[Ronnoco]

well that's pretty irrelevant. What's relevant is that a few years back they changed the formula to show increased signal strength and they just "discovered" they were using the wrong formula. And Steve ducked the issue:

To answer your question, the formula we use the calculate bars has been off since the beginning, and the new update fixes that for the iPhone 4, 3G, and 3GS... I don't know if I understand the other part of your question?

Well you fixed this bug two years ago, and now you say there's always been a problem...
A: They're probably unrelated. I honestly don't remember what the issue was before, but they're probably totally separate.


"probably" and he doesn't remember? Hmmmm ok.

The bars shouldn't be there at all...so I do partially agree...the whole "bars" thing is a joke...the phone either has enough signal to make a call or it doesn't. Having 5 bars or 1 bars doesn't make a difference. I think we will soon see an end to the ridiculous "bars" sham with al digital phones...

 

[falconeight]

No. Water's property is that it's wet. It's a liquid. Phones are supposed to be able to make calls. That's an inherent property. When a phone has trouble - big or small in doing what it's designed to do - then it is acting against its inherent nature.

Not the same thing. Analogies always suck though - it's not your fault.

See but they all have antennas and can loose signal when you hold them or place them against you head that's why early cell phones had pull out antennas. The analogy using water is correct, because they share the same characteristics.