I recently painted with some of the Surfaces at BestBuy and I'm not impressed at all. They felt clunky.
Also they have air vents all over and I wonder how hot they can get after a few hours of using them, any comments on these?
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I miss the old Apple.
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Also they have air vents all over and I wonder how hot they can get after a few hours of using them, any comments on these?
The first few generations of the aluminum MB and MBP were great. Good price/performance value and multiple ports.
I loved those. I lost interest once they started going all Lord of the Rings with the One Port.Agent J, I'm with you 100%. I came back to Apple in 2011 after switching to PC in 1990 (had II, LISA and orig MAC). Now software is as buggy as Microsoft software and change for change (cosmetics) sake makes no sense. Products become less and less usable if you are not willing to update software every 3 months and risk losing functionality. Bottom line these products are tools and they should work for their given purpose before adding new questionable functionality.
I will be looking at Microsoft products again for my next purchase.
During this last decade they tend to release crippled products and see how the market reacts to them, unfortunately there are plenty of new Mac users whom had no clue what a nice Mac is, and if they keep buying them we are screwed.The first few generations of the aluminum MB and MBP were great. Good price/performance value and multiple ports.
Something is missing and the sharpness that Steve Jobs instilled in design, quality and action seems to be dulling. Did Apple lay any eggs while Steve was at the helm, of course but I think generally he was fanatical about making sure the design was spot on.
The idea of rolling out a crippled application, being the shell of its former self and then slowly updating it, is well asinine. While I haven't given up on apple services, and I like the integration that I have with my iPhone and apple watch, many of the apple apps are now unused, i.e., iWork, photos etc.
Apple has lived by the pattern of huge revolutionary product introduction, followed by years and years of slow steady improvements. They did this with the iMac--remember when a "new" iMac meant little more than new colors? Same with the iPod, folks wanted an FM tuner (why?) for years! Now, same thing with the iPhone and iPad. Heck, before the phone was a dream folks wanted a PDA and Apple refused (rightly so)
It's not easy to revolutionize computing/consumer electronics every two years...
My concern is that Apple has lost some of it's core mojo and they are going a bit shotgun with a Watch, iPad Pro, TV, Music, etc.
Remember when they said they don't enter markets unless they feel they can really make an impact? I don't feel they lived up to that with the Watch or the iPad Pro. Neither of these were as stunning and obvious as the original iPhone. I hate to say it but I really do believe some of this is due to the loss of Steve.
It's not easy to revolutionize computing/consumer electronics every two years...
My concern is that Apple has lost some of it's core mojo and they are going a bit shotgun with a Watch, iPad Pro, TV, Music, etc.
Remember when they said they don't enter markets unless they feel they can really make an impact? I don't feel they lived up to that with the Watch or the iPad Pro. Neither of these were as stunning and obvious as the original iPhone. I hate to say it but I really do believe some of this is due to the loss of Steve.
Music has been in their fabric from early on, i.e., iTunes so I can see them expanding that in different ways. Buying Beats (for what a billion?) was one of the ways I thought they would go. Yet as I mentioned music is a sector they've been very successful in the past.
Apple TV is just a slow progression of what they already had, in fact it was around when Steve was running the show. Apple watch - It took a long time to roll out but I think its an interesting concept. I'm not sure if I'd consider that part a shotgun approach. Just look at what Samsung does, they release product after product to see what sticks - that is a shot gun approach. They're on their 7th different smart watch iteration, I don't any developer who would consider writing for a samsung watch because they'll just please a new incompatible one in 6 months.
I do think Apple is struggling to find the next big thing to take advantage, the issue they have is increased competition in that everyone is doing the same.
Have people seen Microsoft’s announcements today, in particular the Surface Book? The commenters at major technology sites are losing their minds over it! Even though I’m not into Windows at all, I have to admit that it’s some astonishing piece of engineering and product design for a company that hasn’t produced a good piece of hardware itself in recent years. They not only trampled on the unreleased iPad Pro, but also the MacBook Pro. I’m feeling quite a bit vicariously embarrassed when I look at the iPad Pro and new MacBook. Given that Apple doesn’t seem to have any other big announcements this year, I’m inclined to agree that Microsoft has blown Apple out of the water in this department.
Steve had a response for people like you almost 20 years ago. Apple doesn't focus on technologies that are going away. Anyone who has worked with kids lately knows that the PC is doomed. Why would Apple want to give up a future market to prop up a legacy market?
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With that sort of mentality, my entire generation would be using Nintendo consoles as their main computing devices. Not the case. Needs change.
What answer would you have gave yourself before the iPhone was released? I am curious because that is what a breaktrough is something you did not need / envision before.
Hell before the iPhone (or any smartphone for that matter) we were asking ourselves the same thing.... what a new phone can do that mine doesn't ? what a computer can do that mine can't ...What else would i like to do ?
You don't miss the old Apple, you miss your old 'you'. Apple has never been static and has always been changing.
I understand the topic starter, a feel of nostalgia that i Have too.... it might have been the power of Steve, making you want what ever he held in his hands during the keynote.....
I too used to change iPhone very year, now not so much, may be I am growing, may be I am more "sensitive" to expenses, and may be I am not so easy to be amazed anymore....
I too used to change iPhone very year, now not so much, may be I am growing, may be I am more "sensitive" to expenses, and may be I am not so easy to be amazed anymore....
Way before Palm bought the Treo and started releasing color models I was looking for a portable device that can do all the things we currently do with iPhones: play music, play videos, connect to the web, manage emails, calendars, tasks, notes, run apps, language dictionaries, phone, camera, and the missing part was live videos/tv.
The PDAs that Handspring offered with springboard modules covered many of the needs but they were bulky and you can only use one module at time. Even a vehicle diagnostics module was available then.
I did send a feedback email to Apple back then suggesting they get in the game.
Apple nailed it with the iPhone, before it was released I knew what I wanted in 2000-2001, they made it in 2007 and once the App Store was up and running and they unleashed one after another they did deliver.
Hopefully there will be a point in time when they do something powerful enough to run everything available out there.
And...
3D printing is the next big thing.
Home automation.
Driver assistance.
Autonomous driving.
Ensuring all your data is properly backed up and secure.
There are some out there made with real sugar instead of the high fructose syrup poison.
Anyone who knows me might consider me an “Apple Fanboy”. Some may even say that term is too light of a word for me.
I started with an Apple IIC way back when and probably have had 20 or more Macs.
Dealing with corporations in the early 90’s, I had to install Windows Machines in my studio to work with clients, so I have some knowledge of that world also. But me, I worked on my Macs, .
I understand the reference to the “Old Apple.” To me it was first and foremost a COMMUNITY of creatives: photographers, musicians, writers, and others that gravitated around the Apple Computer as a tool Used to be CREATIVE -to CONTRIBUTE in MAKING SOMETHING. This community was characterized by a great sharing of support, both in the computer aspect but just as much in the creative process. The idea that inorder to have a great software, you had to control the hardware was a devotion that almost saw the company disappear. But it was the experience along with the output that mattered. This was a pursuit of design and of thinking as we evolved into the “Digital Life,”
Ideas, different ways of trying things, the pursuit of design: clean design that excited and functioned -the “Crazy ones” This gave birth to some “insanely” great products, some intense thought in how they were made and how the user experienced them. This in itself created more sharing and creativity.
The entire concept of what a laptop was put through that process by the community. It produced great things.
Then the idea of was a “phone” received the same design/function analysis.
People started to take notice.
They even changed the name- From Apple Computers - to Just “Apple.”
The Bean counters, MBA’s and “investors” started coming in.
I am afraid now, Apple has become a mass marketer of electronic goods, with profit more important than user experience/Community. Their computer hardware lag in updates and user upgradeability. Macbook Pros have not had a real processor upgrade in years. The demise of the Mac Pro Tower which you can experiment to the N’th degree because it was a powerhouse that could crank out almost any movie, retouch, graphic experiment you threw at it ( I still use a pretty old one to do just that even with ancient OS’s.)
Now Apple, once a community of creatives centered around the computer as design tool has turned into a Big Data-Consumer electronics Behemoth interested in mass market profit.
They build the buzz and sell the goods. Goods that are no longer used in the pursuit of creating other creative produces but in getting through the day in a corporate world, staying on time and in the loop in the megalithic corporate structure, focusing as much on status and bean counter performance -a Gold iWatch- Really?- rather that “community of creative”.
Yeah I miss the “Old Apple”….
The new Apple TV and the iPad Pro are nice products, the price is kind of higher than expected but for me they are really cool devices
The "old Apple" back then was a terrible company. Really, Apple only became functional again when Jobs returned. Its history before then is best forgotten as it was a bit player that was second to other computer companies like Atari.